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Post by Judge_St3vo on Nov 11, 2013 22:28:14 GMT -5
What some of you are forgetting is how pointless and underpowered this attachment would be without a damage increase. OHKs with deadeye does seem if-fy though. I'd rather the attachment be under-powered. I think a good compromise would be to extend the 3hk range. An attachment shouldn't make an entire class of weapons irrelevant.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2013 22:29:14 GMT -5
It makes the DMRs irrelevant. WAT??? DMR gets a free scope... a proper Foxtroting scope, without wasting a single attachment!
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Post by seanbateman on Nov 11, 2013 22:33:04 GMT -5
I'm kind of surprised that Drift0r or anyone else haven't mentioned that the MSBS's damage is not negatively affected by its full auto attachment.
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Post by Judge_St3vo on Nov 11, 2013 22:33:31 GMT -5
It makes the DMRs irrelevant. WAT??? DMR gets a free scope... a proper Foxtroting scope, without wasting a single attachment! The default scopes on the DMRs are awful! The honey badger has an integrated silencer. That doesn't suddenly make it the best AR...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2013 22:40:17 GMT -5
The default scopes on the DMRs are awful! The honey badger has an integrated silencer. That doesn't suddenly make it the best AR... Say what you want, but the DMR is not suddenly worthless because YOU don't like the default scopes. You can't get a proper scope on the AR's with semi-auto, so the DMRs are not "irrelevant". Stop being so dramatic.
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Post by Pegasus Actual on Nov 11, 2013 23:09:13 GMT -5
I tried semi-auto on a few ARs... fire rate cap was painfully slow. Will take MR-28 over the ones I tried any day. Ran out of nuggets, will try the rest later.
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Post by Zero IX on Nov 12, 2013 0:23:50 GMT -5
Thanks for the video, but I don't think this is aMaZiNg or anything to really write home about for all the reasons Mousey and others have already gone over.
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Post by Judge_St3vo on Nov 12, 2013 0:31:55 GMT -5
I tried semi-auto on a few ARs... fire rate cap was painfully slow. Will take MR-28 over the ones I tried any day. Ran out of nuggets, will try the rest later. Which ARs did you try?
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Post by Judge_St3vo on Nov 12, 2013 0:36:00 GMT -5
The default scopes on the DMRs are awful! The honey badger has an integrated silencer. That doesn't suddenly make it the best AR... Say what you want, but the DMR is not suddenly worthless because YOU don't like the default scopes. You can't get a proper scope on the AR's with semi-auto, so the DMRs are not "irrelevant". Stop being so dramatic. Proper scope. Lmao. It's a sniper scope on a gun that lacks the ability to 1hk. Increased magnification on anything besides a sniper has always been worthless in COD.
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Post by LeGitBeeSting on Nov 12, 2013 0:58:59 GMT -5
I tried the FAD w/ SF and a macro. It's pretty eh.
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Post by ChloeB42 (Alexcalibur42) on Nov 12, 2013 1:08:37 GMT -5
people seriously think this is OP? Are you guys like new to cod or something? How did you get through the previous games with your wrists intact? For the cost of one attachment, you can have a 2hko semi auto gun. That's been possible in every single cod besides blops2. And of those MW2 is the only one besides this that needed an attachment for it to get to that point. It makes the DMRs irrelevant. I would gladly waste an attachment on one of the ARs in exchange for a faster RPM, a longer 2hk range, less recoil, and less hipsread than a DMR. Even if the RPMs are reduced, several of the ARs likely have higher RPMs than the DMRs. I like semi-auto weapons, but with the exception of the Blops 2 FAL (OP as all hell), they've always been high-risk/high-reward weapons. This creates a whole class of Blops 2 FALs. In addition, deadeye apparently leads to 1HKs with this setup. Uh no. 2HK range is shorter and scaled to guns, High RoF lower 2HK Recoil is worse/equal to full auto RPM is scaled to guns, even I oversampled the Remington, but not the FAD. Also the minimum damage stays the same/ similar the ARX was more than 3 at range. As for dead shot, it's a one hit...headshot. By all means be my guest and spend 5 points on deadshot and waste an attachment for better hip fire and maybe a faster RoF
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Post by aidsaidsaids on Nov 12, 2013 2:23:31 GMT -5
I'm kind of surprised that Drift0r or anyone else haven't mentioned that the MSBS's damage is not negatively affected by its full auto attachment. They probably haven't mentioned it because it's not true.
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Post by Pegasus Actual on Nov 12, 2013 3:11:23 GMT -5
I tried semi-auto on a few ARs... fire rate cap was painfully slow. Will take MR-28 over the ones I tried any day. Ran out of nuggets, will try the rest later. Which ARs did you try? I'd like to say 2010, 805, Remington.. I think there was one other but don't recall which. Anyway was definitely hitting the cap, then switched back to MR-28 mid-round and was back to smooth sailing. Using RDS on DMRs is not a big deal for me, I'll usually add one to any accurate weapon, so it's not really a wasted point. Semi-Auto on the other hand comes off as a total waste to me.
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Post by seanbateman on Nov 12, 2013 6:11:09 GMT -5
I'm kind of surprised that Drift0r or anyone else haven't mentioned that the MSBS's damage is not negatively affected by its full auto attachment. They probably haven't mentioned it because it's not true. I tested against bots and it has 2hk still. Does it lose range or something?
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Post by aidsaidsaids on Nov 12, 2013 6:32:33 GMT -5
They probably haven't mentioned it because it's not true. I tested against bots and it has 2hk still. Does it lose range or something? No, it loses damage. It's 3hk min with full auto. I'm not sure how you could have messed up testing something so simple (we know from the game files in any case). Took me <5 minutes:
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Post by qupie on Nov 12, 2013 8:43:30 GMT -5
Wow Hollywood, really outdone yourself this time with being wrong. Upper chest only, not the whole torso. That's incorrect, it's the whole torso, apparently balls up OP how? It costs an attachment slot to do this, so you're basically using an attachment slot to turn your AR into a Marksman Rifle. Oh well. The only "advantage" may be the greater mag sizes, but… Wow, wrong again. Semi Auto actually reduces the rate of fire on the rifles. Do you actually research anything or do you just like to make things up in order to justify your complaining/whining/whinging/crying? Two shot kills, dear lord that's never been in CoD before. why no +100 like option on proboards? is it me or is there a huge influx of new members on these boards which only complain about stuff that has changed? (not directly at you Hollywood, just in general, I know you have been here some while). Without even thinking twice about it? Fueled by rage because they probably couldn't win an argument on the official COD message boards? I mean, previous years we had allot of ppl coming to the boards after release. But most of them were asking questions, and actually adding points to the discussions. Nowadays it seems like they only bring (false) statements with not arguments to back it up whatsoever.... maybe we need a sub-forum named: Quarantine. Where new members can lose their COD forum pathogens, in order to actually think again.
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Post by bucket415 on Nov 12, 2013 9:21:59 GMT -5
I havent had the chance to play since the video, but am looking forward to trying it out. I dont have the fastest trigger finger in the world, but love the thought of 6 trigger pulls killing 3 people running into view. Trying this with the Remington AR, I'd have to reload for sure. You die so fast in this game, speed and time saving are huge to staying alive.
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Post by Zero IX on Nov 12, 2013 9:46:39 GMT -5
Greetings. My name is Jebuiz y’har. If my calculations are correct, you should be receiving this transmission in the year 2013 AD. It amuses me that you used to calculate your dates in relation to the life of an ancient man. You see, we have a slightly different timescale. But to make things simple, I am writing from the year 49,170 AD.
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Post by sixone on Nov 12, 2013 9:56:07 GMT -5
Did some testing w/ split screen, nothing scientific, only tried AK & R5 cuz was interested in 2HK range.
Pros: Better recoil than DMRs (what does the 'D' stand for btw?), therefore R5 is very accurate. Ability to use irons for free. Access to VMR scope if you like it.
Cons: no 1HKs. No AR matches the DMR's 2HK range, even the R5 with muzzle brake is less than the MR28 w/muzzle brake, may be ~equal if you drop muzzle break from MR28 (didn't test). RPM seems to be closer to MK14 rather than MR28.
For how I use semis, overall I don't see the benefit, let alone OP. The R5/AK accuracy is at expense of range and RPM (vs the MR28). It loses at mid range to MR28 due to RPM not to mention its still in the one burst range of the MSBS. The 2HK range of the R5 is still slightly less than the 1HK range of the MK14.
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Post by 42 on Nov 12, 2013 10:07:40 GMT -5
DMRs (what does the 'D' stand for btw?) Designated Marksman Rifle. What, did you never play Reach?
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Post by sixone on Nov 12, 2013 10:32:21 GMT -5
Nah, came over to the dark side after halo 2.
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Post by Zero IX on Nov 12, 2013 11:32:10 GMT -5
Nah, came over to the dark side after halo 2. I crossed over after Reach. ^____________-
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Post by rejectionrole on Nov 12, 2013 16:13:38 GMT -5
people seriously think this is OP? Are you guys like new to cod or something? How did you get through the previous games with your wrists intact? For the cost of one attachment, you can have a 2hko semi auto gun. That's been possible in every single cod besides blops2. And of those MW2 is the only one besides this that needed an attachment for it to get to that point. It makes the DMRs irrelevant. I would gladly waste an attachment on one of the ARs in exchange for a faster RPM, a longer 2hk range, less recoil, and less hipsread than a DMR. Even if the RPMs are reduced, several of the ARs likely have higher RPMs than the DMRs. I like semi-auto weapons, but with the exception of the Blops 2 FAL (OP as all hell), they've always been high-risk/high-reward weapons. This creates a whole class of Blops 2 FALs. In addition, deadeye apparently leads to 1HKs with this setup. I'm pretty sure the MW3 MK14 w/ Rapid Fire was OP as hell too.
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Post by wings on Nov 12, 2013 17:46:24 GMT -5
Nah, came over to the dark side after halo 2. I crossed over after Reach. ^____________- So this is why we get teabagging as a field order. All you COD converts from Halo doing it.
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Post by LeGitBeeSting on Nov 12, 2013 17:47:27 GMT -5
Halo? More like GAY-lo!
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Post by RageHulkSmash on Nov 12, 2013 19:05:32 GMT -5
So ARs with semiauto = MRs with ex mags. Am I missing some next level mechanics or should I continue to be underwhelmed?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2013 2:16:12 GMT -5
I always teabag. Especially when I trap teammates in a corner. will u do it 2 me
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Post by bucket415 on Nov 13, 2013 10:05:30 GMT -5
AR's with semi auto suck dick. Confirmed. Stick with the MK-14.
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Post by jaedrik on Nov 13, 2013 10:47:07 GMT -5
I don't understand teabagging in CoD, they won't be able to see you do it anyways, so why bother? In Halo it actually mattered, because they actually saw you after their death.
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Post by wings on Nov 13, 2013 12:01:15 GMT -5
I don't understand teabagging in CoD, they won't be able to see you do it anyways, so why bother? In Halo it actually mattered, because they actually saw you after their death. I guess there's a chance in Search & Destroy? It's still stupid.
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