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Post by wings on Nov 19, 2013 13:32:09 GMT -5
marvel4 to be a Youtuber.
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Post by aidsaidsaids on Nov 19, 2013 13:34:10 GMT -5
I don't think we are in any position to judge and criticize so heavily him on his video. He gave us an opinion and he explained why he thinks the msbs is op and that should be it. Not picking on anyone here, but you shouldn't lose your respect towards someone just because he has a different opinion than you have. IMO there's a limit over which the lowest ttk possible in a game cannot go, otherwise it becomes simply frustrating. Type 95, cod4 m16 (to an extent), msbs are just too much. At least on PC, a gun like that would be ridiculously overused. Completely wrong on all counts. If your respect for someone isn't based on what they think, say, and do, what is it based on? Their car? Their house? Their friends? What are you, a woman? Also, the PC playerbase has always liked burst guns less than the console playerbase because they don't have autoaim helping them.
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Post by Usagi on Nov 19, 2013 14:10:02 GMT -5
I don't think we are in any position to judge and criticize so heavily him on his video. He gave us an opinion and he explained why he thinks the msbs is op and that should be it. Not picking on anyone here, but you shouldn't lose your respect towards someone just because he has a different opinion than you have. He presented it as a fact though, that's the issue here. In his own words, "In today's episode we're going to be talking about why the MSBS is OP. I'm not just gonna waste your time whining about it, I'm actually gonna prove to you why this weapon is overpowered with facts, figures, numbers, and that sort of thing."
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Post by Pegasus Actual on Nov 19, 2013 14:58:26 GMT -5
So long as we're bashing Drift0r.... My god man... stop saying "play objectively." Say "play the objective" or something for christ's sake. If you want to speak for a living learn how words work. It's especially grating given the pedantic nature of the content. #GrammarNazi4Life
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Post by Spectre on Nov 19, 2013 15:19:47 GMT -5
I don't think we are in any position to judge and criticize so heavily him on his video. He gave us an opinion and he explained why he thinks the msbs is op and that should be it. Not picking on anyone here, but you shouldn't lose your respect towards someone just because he has a different opinion than you have. He presented it as a fact though, that's the issue here. In his own words, "In today's episode we're going to be talking about why the MSBS is OP. I'm not just gonna waste your time whining about it, I'm actually gonna prove to you why this weapon is overpowered with facts, figures, numbers, and that sort of thing." I don't remember the exact words he used, but i personally did not find his attitude particularly whiny and he gave some reasons (which are already up to debate and he showed no problem giving insights, hence why i see all this bashing on him unnecessary). I definitely see what you mean, and i agree. Aids... Whatever.
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Post by jaedrik on Nov 19, 2013 15:25:06 GMT -5
Completely wrong on all counts. If your respect for someone isn't based on what they think, say, and do, what is it based on? Their car? Their house? Their friends? What are you, a woman? Their basic dignity as a human being. What, I thought you liked Kant? No matter how much I may not like his moral system, I must agree with him in this and the conclusion it brings us to. To quote Covey on David Lilienthal's work as the head of the Atomic Energy Commission: "The attitude was 'If a person of your intelligence and competence and commitment disagrees with me, then there must be something to your disagreement that I don't understand, and I need to understand it. You have a perspective, a frame of reference I need to look at.'" And further, in The Imitation of Christ: "Why have an exalted opinion of yourself when you know there are many, even in your own field, whose knowledge surpasses yours? If you want to learn anything worthwhile, seek rather to be unknown and to be thought of as nothing. . . . Always think kindly of others, while holding yourself as nothing; this is true wisdom and leads to perfection. . . . Always keep in mind that all are frail, but none so frail as yourself." He presented it as a fact though, that's the issue here. In his own words, "In today's episode we're going to be talking about why the MSBS is OP. I'm not just gonna waste your time whining about it, I'm actually gonna prove to you why this weapon is overpowered with facts, figures, numbers, and that sort of thing." Is not "Overpowered" essentially a subjective feeling? Can we not form such a feeling from the presentation and interpretation of "facts, figures, numbers, and that sort of thing"? Is not proof that which is clear, unbiased presentation of that which is true that can be confirmed from multiple witnesses who are themselves uncompromised? And can we not from that proof develop our knowledge, and further our bias which is of a subjective feeling?
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Post by Dumien on Nov 19, 2013 15:49:32 GMT -5
Oh snap...did Jaedrik sprout some philosophical wings?
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Post by iw5000 on Nov 19, 2013 16:06:19 GMT -5
This board tends to bust a nut when anyone mentions 'proof' in their post. Like this place is some sort of holy shrine of CoD message boards whose integrity must be defended at all costs lol.
Doesn't like every single YouTube out there routinely throw around words like MOST OP and other nonsense? It's Youtube. He/she who shouts the loudest, gets the most money.
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Post by Disgruntled Jigglypuff on Nov 19, 2013 16:12:50 GMT -5
So driftbr0 used facts to formulate his opinion. I see nothing wrong with that.
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Post by wings on Nov 19, 2013 17:07:30 GMT -5
So driftbr0 used facts to formulate his opinion. I see nothing wrong with that. Better than someone dubbing Stalker to be OP in Ghosts and a crutch despite having Toughness on all but one of their classes for BO2.
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Post by -3055- on Nov 19, 2013 17:37:41 GMT -5
Deadeye OP
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Post by wings on Nov 19, 2013 17:39:58 GMT -5
Danger Close OP.
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Post by Pegasus Actual on Nov 19, 2013 17:42:50 GMT -5
I don't know about you guys but I got killed by a railgunner who went 4-16 last night, seems OP, pretty sure Rubin said QS was gone could someone make a vid?
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Post by -3055- on Nov 19, 2013 17:46:59 GMT -5
EVERYTHING OP
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Post by ChloeB42 (Alexcalibur42) on Nov 19, 2013 19:17:21 GMT -5
We instagib now? We instagib now.
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Post by wings on Nov 19, 2013 19:21:46 GMT -5
You know the water on Flooded can drown you if you're submerged in it for like 5 seconds because these super soldiers have a lung capacity of 20ml? OP!
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Post by Zero IX on Nov 19, 2013 19:53:45 GMT -5
nerf water
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Post by -3055- on Nov 19, 2013 20:06:39 GMT -5
We instagib now? We instagib now. Nope still op
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2013 20:09:48 GMT -5
buff megroin
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Post by r00stad00ks on Nov 19, 2013 20:15:41 GMT -5
I've always found drift0rs videos to be pretty informative. I don't agree with some of his conclusions or his choices in weapons but I am a huge fan of the fact that he seems to stick it out when he is losing and that he doesn't have to have a 2.0+ K/D. You have so many people making vids that aggravate me to no end sometimes because they always run with a crew and back out of games constantly so they can look better then they should or even better, The guys that do info vids that present rumors as facts all the time. If I had my way there would be a minimum amount of kills you have to have with a gun before you could review it but I guess that would slow down the videos quite a bit. Personally I don't find the msbs on it's own to be OP but when it's in thehands of certain people it is one of the most annoying guns in the game. Every time I run into it, it's in the hands of a jackass sound whoring in a building instead of trying to ptf in domination.
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Post by wings on Nov 19, 2013 21:31:14 GMT -5
I don't agree with some of his conclusions or his choices in weapons Thing is though, there is usually some subjectivity on judging whether or not a weapon is OP. His favourite gun during BO2's lifespan I understand is the Tac 45. I have found a few people who thought that was OP, for example. But they're not Youtube Heroes.
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Post by aidsaidsaids on Nov 19, 2013 22:22:54 GMT -5
Their basic dignity as a human being. What, I thought you liked Kant? I like Kant's epistemology and regard it as historically important. His moral system (which is what you're arguing from) is absolute nonsense. I'll stick to systems that don't argue from arbitrary a priori normative propositions, myself. It's all well and good to examine a viewpoint, but there's no reason to suspend judgment when you're done just because it disagrees with your own. You can always revise judgment later in light of new information. That's how learning works. For what it's worth I don't think Drift0r has done anything other than capitalize on youtube stupidity for money, which is exactly what he does for a living already. We all know what the gun does, he just translated it into language the people paying him understand. "OP" is just the word youtube downies use in place of "good" or "usable." It's not as though any of them have any corresponding concept of "just powered enough," or any meaningful opinions on the power level of things in CoD generally. Most of the problem some posters have with the video is actually just semantics. Word salad.
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Post by r00stad00ks on Nov 19, 2013 22:28:47 GMT -5
I don't agree with some of his conclusions or his choices in weapons Thing is though, there is usually some subjectivity on judging whether or not a weapon is OP. His favourite gun during BO2's lifespan I understand is the Tac 45. I have found a few people who thought that was OP, for example. But they're not Youtube Heroes. I'd actually agree with him there just cause I had alot of fun and people got so damn mad when you stomp them. Granted it'd not something you can use against people who are really good but I had alot of good and fun games on hijacked with the tac 45. That can't of stuff isn't allowed in ghosts though.
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Post by jaedrik on Nov 19, 2013 23:07:08 GMT -5
I like Kant's epistemology and regard it as historically important. His moral system (which is what you're arguing from) is absolute nonsense. I'll stick to systems that don't argue from arbitrary a priori normative propositions, myself. It's all well and good to examine a viewpoint, but there's no reason to suspend judgment when you're done just because it disagrees with your own. You can always revise judgment later in light of new information. That's how learning works. For what it's worth I don't think Drift0r has done anything other than capitalize on youtube stupidity for money, which is exactly what he does for a living already. We all know what the gun does, he just translated it into language the people paying him understand. "OP" is just the word youtube downies use in place of "good" or "usable." It's not as though any of them have any corresponding concept of "just powered enough," or any meaningful opinions on the power level of things in CoD generally. Most of the problem some posters have with the video is actually just semantics. Word salad. I agree that it is absolute nonsense, and nor do I agree with the basis of his assumptions, that is Critical Transcendentalism, but hey, he wanted to find a way to return to rational moral ethical action after Hume 'destroyed' it with his analysis of causation. . . right? Sorry for assuming that you accepted his imperatives wholesale. As an aside, is there anything you view as a priori or normative, or can nothing be said to be known in those ways? Isn't the corresponding concept of "just powered enough" normally called "balanced" or "okay" by them? Or are you saying that only the extremes really stick in terms of their semantic use? I personally don't know. Oh, and I agree that he has capitalized on the stupidity, but much in the same way I would say that educational institutions do the same.
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Post by iw5000 on Nov 20, 2013 12:11:29 GMT -5
If you have a YouTube channel, and want to succeed, be heard over the masses, you almost have to use idiot-speak. Throw out headers like "MOST", "WORST", "BEST" and other over the top phrases. Your target audience is mostly kids with attention deficit disorder. You have like one second to grab their attention when your video title and description hits their feeds. You have to grab them quick.
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Post by hyperion on Nov 20, 2013 12:26:20 GMT -5
If you have a YouTube channel, and want to succeed, be heard over the masses, you almost have to use idiot-speak. Throw out headers like "MOST", "WORST", "BEST" and other over the top phrases. Your target audience is mostly kids with attention deficit disorder. You have like one second to grab their attention when your video title and description hits their feeds. You have to grab them quick. dont forget tits and ass in the thumbnail too, i mean, thats what call of duty is about right? Not to mention the amount of penis emblems that were made during black ops 2. This community...sigh.
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Post by wings on Nov 20, 2013 13:50:40 GMT -5
If you have a YouTube channel, and want to succeed, be heard over the masses, you almost have to use idiot-speak. Throw out headers like "MOST", "WORST", "BEST" and other over the top phrases. Your target audience is mostly kids with attention deficit disorder. You have like one second to grab their attention when your video title and description hits their feeds. You have to grab them quick. dont forget tits and ass in the thumbnail too, i mean, thats what call of duty is about right? Not to mention the amount of penis emblems that were made during black ops 2. This community...sigh. Your comment and your username has made think to see if it's worth trying to draw a young Moxxi from Borderlands without all the stupid cosmetics on BO2's emblem creator.
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Post by hyperion on Nov 20, 2013 15:17:42 GMT -5
dont forget tits and ass in the thumbnail too, i mean, thats what call of duty is about right? Not to mention the amount of penis emblems that were made during black ops 2. This community...sigh. Your comment and your username has made think to see if it's worth trying to draw a young Moxxi from Borderlands without all the stupid cosmetics on BO2's emblem creator. lol id love to see it
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Post by tooros on Nov 20, 2013 15:22:23 GMT -5
Mmmmmmmmmoxxxi I can't be the only one who jumped up on the bar and made inappropriate use of a sniper scope can I? LOL
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Post by wings on Nov 30, 2013 16:42:38 GMT -5
Drift0r says we copied BF4 by having the recoil modifier with x shots giving +/- x % of kick over y shots. Wasn't this in COD2?
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