Destiny: conspiracy theory beneath the story (spoiler alert)

[wittyscorpion]

Unsatisfied with the bland story the Destiny is telling, fans have started brewing a conspiracy theory

Started with this Reddit thread: www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/2gd9lr/i_overheard_a_fallen_dreg_say_something_and_now_i/

Then picked up by forbes.com gaming journalist: www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2014/09/17/destiny-may-have-a-brilliant-twisted-story-hidden-far-from-view/

The gist:

are we, the so called "guardians", behind the seemingly righteous cause of "light" vs. "darkness", actually brain washed and manipulated by "The Traveler", "The Speaker" and "Ghosts", into "Tools of Destruction" for "the Darkness"?

I have to admit, although this theory is far fetched, it does represent a far more interesting story line with much greater potential of having the longevity of 10 years. Besides the "evidences" listed in the Reddit thread, below are some of my thoughts to entertain this theory:

1) Since day 1, I have an uneasy feeling about "The Traveler". We did not see the good things it brought to "us", only the devastation;

2) "The Speaker" looks a bit shady as well. The entire story was told by him, are we supposed to just take his words for it?

3) "The Ghost" sounds suspiciously manipulative. They brought us to life from dead, and has been telling us what to do ever since. Maybe Peter Dinklage's seemingly dull voice is a disguise of some deep evil intent (of consuming the entire Universe with Darkness);

4) The Traveler, the Speaker, and the Ghosts: look strikingly similar to "The Holy Trinity" but on the dark side, "The Evil Trinity" if you will

5) As pointed out in the Reddit, the 3 classes all have seemingly devilish names: Warlock / Hunter / Titan are more often associated with evil than good;

6) The 3 factions, New Monarchy / Dead Orbit / Future War Cult, look pretty dark as well. In addition, they have deep hatred against each other. They don't look like anything inspired by "Light", but more like cults influenced by the "Darkness";

etc.

Maybe, just maybe, our "destiny" as "guardians" is to look through this deception and manipulation and eventually find the right path on our own, to defeat the Darkness (the Evil Trinity) and restore the order of the Universe...

It does not matter who you were, only what you will become

Good or evil, however, that's the question...

Whether its true or not, IMHO this does make an interesting topic. Thinking about this sends chills down my spine

Discuss...

[wings]

Perhaps the Hunters, Titans and Warlocks turned from evil to good? And the Exo Stranger is there to oversee that they don't return to evil?

Or fighting the Cabal, Vex, Hive and Fallen are ways to unite them instead of fighting each other?

[ChloeB42 (Alexcalibur42)]

Fan theories are usually better than what is actually the story.

[wittyscorpion]

Sept 18, 2014 3:41:50 GMT -5 wings said:

Perhaps the Hunters, Titans and Warlocks turned from evil to good? And the Exo Stranger is there to oversee that they don't return to evil?

Or fighting the Cabal, Vex, Hive and Fallen are ways to unite them instead of fighting each other?

That sounds quite plausible.

The Exo girl looks like a key figure in the story:

1) Her very first appearance at the beginning of the story mission seems to suggest that she is concerned about the situation (of us being manipulated by Ghosts and the Speaker?);
2) Later when she engaged us, she explicitly said that she is NOT a guardian, and sounds like she has issues with the notion of guardians;
3) Before she was parting her way from us, she seemed to have something to reveal but not quite ready to say it yet; (I was busy killing stuff so did not quite listen to what she said at the time, will pay closer attention in my 2nd walk through with a different class).

[Morshu]

This is literally dark souls all over again. I personally love it when devs leave the game open ended for interpertation, while leaving littles hints and clues spread out throughtout the game to spark ideas. Maybe bungie were not BSing when they said the game evolves over time. We will see.

[wings]

Are the Vex and the Hive related?

[psychlon]

From what we know... humanity was given immense power, spreading all over the universe until one day when "the darkness" arrived... . Apply this to any given country on earth suddenly given superpowers and invading other countries one by one... at some points other countries will band together and eventually fight. The darkness therefore could be the backlash from "our" exploring and be nothing more than a group of species fighting against us and effectively to destroy us once and for all so we would never be able to go exploring ever again. We could be just dead soldiers dying hundreds of years ago in the initial onslaught of the united army of aliens. The traveler was still able to kill/ push them away and is since then trying to revive as much humans as possible to be ready when they are coming back full force.

That still leaves the question as to where the traveler is coming from. Maybe just a peak of engineering from humanity which was then used to enhance our species. That would explain why, in its last efforts, created mr. flying object to search for all those which still had some DNA on them to recreate the body etc. ?!...

There is no stereotypical "good" or "bad" as much as Superman's species wasn't considered bad when they explored/ harvested worlds. This kind of behavior was portrayed totally different though with Independence Day for example.

[mannon]

The lore only mentions Humanity spreading throughout our solar system, not throughout the Universe or even our galaxy. Still, we did have FTL drives to get around our solar system in minutes instead of months and years, likely tech learned from the Traveller and it clearly was capable of interstellar travel and could teach us that as well. The Darkness already considered the Traveller it's enemy and saw it building us up so we were allies with it for good or ill and the Darkness attacked. This could be likened more to a preemptive strike, before we started spreading throughout the galaxy.

In fact it begs the question why didn't we expand outside our solar system during the golden age? We had FTL drives, so what was stopping us? Even if you had to make smaller jumps you could string a bunch together to reach the nearest stars in a reasonable enough time. Perhaps the Traveller kept us contained to delay being found by the Darkness.

[wings]

Also, why do we attack the Cabal in the story? We do not make contact with them, just invade them, and then forced to kill upon being discovered by their fail safe when needing to activate the sparrow link. Also, is the Shipwright related to the garment maker, like mother and daughter?

[mannon]

My Hunter looks like the Shipwright's sister or something. ;3

[wittyscorpion]

Oct 1, 2014 14:07:02 GMT -5 wings said:

Also, why do we attack the Cabal in the story? We do not make contact with them, just invade them, and then forced to kill upon being discovered by their fail safe when needing to activate the sparrow link. Also, is the Shipwright related to the garment maker, like mother and daughter?

The in game story is saying that the "Black Garden" is hurting Traveler's "Light", so we need to invade and destroy something so Traveler's light can shine brighter, or something like that.

In general, we were told by The Speaker and The Ghost to go on a crusade of helping or liberating The Traveler, through pretty blatant invasion and mass killing. If The Traveler turns out to be something evil, that would very sad

[Bored at work]

Sept 18, 2014 3:41:50 GMT -5 wings said:

Perhaps the Hunters, Titans and Warlocks turned from evil to good? And the Exo Stranger is there to oversee that they don't return to evil?

Or fighting the Cabal, Vex, Hive and Fallen are ways to unite them instead of fighting each other?

What if in the game later on instead of leveling with light the guardian will have a choice between light or dark to level with to kind help choose a side in which he/she wants to be on. I think that would be a great way to take the post game after 30, but who am I?!

[GodMars]

Having read through almost all of the grimiores now (including a few that were in beta but not yet in the release game), I'm pretty comfortable saying this theory isn't correct.

The stuff found in these grimiores is just fantastic, and I highly recommend you look up some of the stuff from beta. RASPUTIN's initial detection of the arrival of the Darkneas is just chilling to read. It's practically a crime we aren't getting most of this stuff in-game, because a lot of it is quite good and the backstory is fantastic.

[wings]

Oct 10, 2014 21:38:44 GMT -5 GodMars said:

Having read through almost all of the grimiores now (including a few that were in beta but not yet in the release game), I'm pretty comfortable saying this theory isn't correct.

The stuff found in these grimiores is just fantastic, and I highly recommend you look up some of the stuff from beta. RASPUTIN's initial detection of the arrival of the Darkneas is just chilling to read. It's practically a crime we aren't getting most of this stuff in-game, because a lot of it is quite good and the backstory is fantastic.

They could have made a reading room in the Tower so you can look it up may be.

[psychlon]

They could have fleshed some of the cards out much more. Reading the same "small" text on the card as you see on-screen is kinda disappointing.

[wittyscorpion]

Oct 15, 2014 6:18:12 GMT -5 psychlon said:

They could have fleshed some of the cards out much more. Reading the same "small" text on the card as you see on-screen is kinda disappointing.

psychlon: the cards unlocked by reviving the "dead ghosts" are far more interesting. You should be able to find info on the web on where to find these dead ghosts.

[wittyscorpion]

PSA: you are read all the cards here

db.destinytracker.com/grimoire