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Post by GodMars on Oct 6, 2014 20:13:03 GMT -5
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Post by hebbnh on Oct 6, 2014 23:25:54 GMT -5
Agreed. Hopefully it's better than the Queen's Wrath stuff, which was pretty pointless after they patched out the shards upon breakdown of that gear. Then again, I did grind out rank 3 with her just to get the shader and emblem (and cloak at rank 2), so I'll probably end up doing this one a decent amount as well. |
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Post by n1gh7 on Oct 6, 2014 23:29:55 GMT -5
I've heard many times over that Iron Banner gear is supposed to be on par with raid gear. While I would expect it to be, I have not seen proof of that yet. I guess we'll know soon enough.
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Post by GodMars on Oct 7, 2014 8:39:18 GMT -5
Iron Banner gear confirmed to NOT be raid-equivalent. And you don't get any rep for losing matches. Yeah, the point of playing this is what exactly?
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Post by hebbnh on Oct 7, 2014 8:45:57 GMT -5
Can you break down Iron Banner gear for shards? Or did Bungie ruin that already like they did with the QW stuff, making it totally pointless for anyone above level 25?
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Post by GodMars on Oct 7, 2014 8:51:19 GMT -5
Can you break down Iron Banner gear for shards? Or did Bungie ruin that already like they did with the QW stuff, making it totally pointless for anyone above level 25? I don't see why not. But this isn't like the Queen's event; this is the Crucible without gear normalization/rebalancing. You get drops and buy gear just like the normal Crucible. You won't be disassembling several pieces of purple gear a day like you could for the Queen. And, oh hey, if you can't win consistently (better have a full team that is well geared), you aren't likely to end up with anything. |
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Post by hebbnh on Oct 7, 2014 9:22:25 GMT -5
Yeah, I know what it is, but if it drops purples like the regular crucible drops blues, I'd think you'd have a decent amount of stuff to disassemble in a relatively short amount of time.
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Post by TheHawkNY on Oct 7, 2014 9:38:41 GMT -5
Iron Banner gauntlets cost 10 crucible marks. So if they can be broken down for shards, they're much more affordable way to purchase shards than other options.
Also, the class items appear to be legendary, and cost only 2000 glimmer. Any chance those can be broken down for shards? If so, I'm glimmer farming hardcore until that's patched.
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Post by GodMars on Oct 7, 2014 11:04:27 GMT -5
Yeah, I know what it is, but if it drops purples like the regular crucible drops blues, I'd think you'd have a decent amount of stuff to disassemble in a relatively short amount of time. Appears to be the same ratio of blue to purple drops as in normal Crucible. You don't automatically get purple gear for playing. And no, Hawk, I do not believe class items break down into shards. |
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Post by hebbnh on Oct 7, 2014 11:24:09 GMT -5
Yeah, I know what it is, but if it drops purples like the regular crucible drops blues, I'd think you'd have a decent amount of stuff to disassemble in a relatively short amount of time. Appears to be the same ratio of blue to purple drops as in normal Crucible. You don't automatically get purple gear for playing. And no, Hawk, I do not believe class items break down into shards. Well that blows. I was under the assumption that it would drop Iron Banner gear more frequently for some reason. Unfortunately another event that's basically worthless for anyone with full legendary gear already. Bummer. |
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Post by GodMars on Oct 7, 2014 11:26:46 GMT -5
Which, hey hey, you can only succeed at if you have full legendary gear.
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Post by wittyscorpion on Oct 7, 2014 11:50:21 GMT -5
Bros who attempted to play this at levels below 29: are there any signs of level-based matchmaking? If not, are you getting sick loot for trying?
IMHO these are the only ways for this event to be playable for lower level players.
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Post by GodMars on Oct 7, 2014 11:54:08 GMT -5
Bros who attempted to play this at levels below 29: are there any signs of level-based matchmaking? If not, are you getting sick loot for trying? IMHO these are the only ways for this event to be playable for lower level players. I don't think it's supposed to be playable for lower levels. Another obvious problem: with no rep reward for losing, there is zero incentive to stick in a losing game. Best to leave the match and try again. |
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Post by hebbnh on Oct 7, 2014 12:31:22 GMT -5
From what I've been seeing on reddit, the level advantage thing was way overblown. It's basically just like regular PvP, with maybe some very slight advantages for those who are really geared up. I've seen multiple reports of level 21 or 22 players in all blue gear being #1 in lobbies. Maybe things will have changed once the servers are back up.
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Post by wittyscorpion on Oct 7, 2014 12:36:39 GMT -5
From what I've been seeing on reddit, the level advantage thing was way overblown. It's basically just like regular PvP, with maybe some very slight advantages for those who are really geared up. I've seen multiple reports of level 21 or 22 players in all blue gear being #1 in lobbies. Maybe things will have changed once the servers are back up. For these reports you have seen, what are the levels of other players in the lobby? I still think that Bungie will try to use level as one of the matchmaking parameters, put similar leveled players into the same lobby. If that can be achieved in reasonable wait time (assuming that there are enough players that play this), then players of all levels (at least 20+) can enjoy the event. |
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Post by hebbnh on Oct 7, 2014 12:42:16 GMT -5
Sounded like a lot of 27 and 28s.
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Post by TheHawkNY on Oct 7, 2014 12:55:18 GMT -5
Well, this is easy to test, just toss on some armor with no light and go into matchmaking.
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Post by wittyscorpion on Oct 7, 2014 12:57:36 GMT -5
Interesting. So at least lvl 21 vs. lvl 28 in Iron Banner won't have the massive damage resistance problem as in PvE.
Armor wise I guess once you get to level 20+ the defense numbers don't vary that much? Weapon damage numbers probably don't vary that much among rare / legendary / exotic?
If the above are true: 20+ levels are probably good enough to have fun here.
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Post by TheHawkNY on Oct 7, 2014 13:01:14 GMT -5
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Post by GodMars on Oct 7, 2014 13:02:06 GMT -5
Yeah, same thing worked for the Queen's event.
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Post by TheHawkNY on Oct 7, 2014 13:41:08 GMT -5
Either ranking up is fairly easy, or just to rank one is. I played 3 games (all of which I won) and completed the bounty for top score in an Iron Banner match, and was already at rank one.
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Post by hebbnh on Oct 7, 2014 13:44:48 GMT -5
Interesting. So at least lvl 21 vs. lvl 28 in Iron Banner won't have the massive damage resistance problem as in PvE. Armor wise I guess once you get to level 20+ the defense numbers don't vary that much? Weapon damage numbers probably don't vary that much among rare / legendary / exotic? If the above are true: 20+ levels are probably good enough to have fun here. I'll just leave this here. This "event" is even more of a joke than the Queen's Wrath. |
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Post by TheHawkNY on Oct 7, 2014 14:19:18 GMT -5
The dubstep at the end literally erased from my mind any of the opinions shared in the video.
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Post by GodMars on Oct 7, 2014 16:55:58 GMT -5
Interesting. So at least lvl 21 vs. lvl 28 in Iron Banner won't have the massive damage resistance problem as in PvE. Armor wise I guess once you get to level 20+ the defense numbers don't vary that much? Weapon damage numbers probably don't vary that much among rare / legendary / exotic? If the above are true: 20+ levels are probably good enough to have fun here. I'll just leave this here. This "event" is even more of a joke than the Queen's Wrath. And that's why the rewards are crap. |
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Post by qupie on Oct 8, 2014 4:49:33 GMT -5
Lol, that dude was already hit every time he gets killed by the sniper. What an idiot, jumping to conclusions. he might be right, but his evidencis worthless. I played a few games and I really felt I had a harder time killing lvl 29 dudes compared to normal crusible. Iron banner was only out an hour or so, so it might have been the tryhard problem. Also, are you guys sure that the special purple gear can't reach light 30? I am NOT talking about the gloves you can buy, but the iron banner special sets. The whole internet is talking about the gloves, but again, it is no evidence that the iron banner gear earned in other ways can't be light 30. Although it is unlikely, I agree.
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Post by psychlon on Oct 8, 2014 5:21:41 GMT -5
Considering that the only reference for your damage is gear, not level, I don't see why a lvl 8 with sniperrifle and headshot multiplier shouldn't be able to OSK people?
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Post by GodMars on Oct 8, 2014 7:23:28 GMT -5
Lol, that dude was already hit every time he gets killed by the sniper. What an idiot, jumping to conclusions. he might be right, but his evidencis worthless. I played a few games and I really felt I had a harder time killing lvl 29 dudes compared to normal crusible. Iron banner was only out an hour or so, so it might have been the smart player problem. Also, are you guys sure that the special purple gear can't reach light 30? I am NOT talking about the gloves you can buy, but the iron banner special sets. The whole internet is talking about the gloves, but again, it is no evidence that the iron banner gear earned in other ways can't be light 30. Although it is unlikely, I agree. It's starting Light level is standard for non-raid level gear. |
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Post by hebbnh on Oct 8, 2014 8:11:33 GMT -5
Considering that the only reference for your damage is gear, not level, I don't see why a lvl 8 with sniperrifle and headshot multiplier shouldn't be able to OSK people? When Bungie's infographic thing for the event leads with "level advantages enabled" you tend to get the impression that being at a higher level will be beneficial to you in encounters with lower level opponents, when in reality there are no significant level advantages at play. It then goes on to say that attack and defense rating will be crucial to victory. If that's the case, why is a guy with a level 8 sniper rifle that's probably around 70 attack able to OHSK a guy with 1200 defense just as easily as my 267 attack sniper does? Why does it take the same number of SUROS shots for me to down a guy with 600 defense vs a guy with 1200 defense? Why say gear matters when it doesn't actually matter? The whole event and presentation thereof is extremely misleading. It's basically nothing more than regular crucible with a different vendor and reputation system being passed off as some super special event. Personally I was hoping for something a little bit different, but it's looking more and more like nothing truly different is going to get added until the first expansion hits in December. Which is fine, because it gives me plenty of time to level up alternate characters without feeling that I'm missing out on anything by doing that instead of these events. |
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Post by hebbnh on Oct 8, 2014 8:19:09 GMT -5
I did also just notice how cheap some of the Iron Banner gear and weapons are. 10 marks for legendaries is a steal if there's anything you need, so that does make it more worthwhile.
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Post by psychlon on Oct 8, 2014 8:20:27 GMT -5
Considering that the only reference for your damage is gear, not level, I don't see why a lvl 8 with sniperrifle and headshot multiplier shouldn't be able to OSK people? When Bungie's infographic thing for the event leads with "level advantages enabled" you tend to get the impression that being at a higher level will be beneficial to you in encounters with lower level opponents, when in reality there are no significant level advantages at play. It then goes on to say that attack and defense rating will be crucial to victory. If that's the case, why is a guy with a level 8 sniper rifle that's probably around 70 attack able to OHSK a guy with 1200 defense just as easily as my 267 attack sniper does? Why does it take the same number of SUROS shots for me to down a guy with 600 defense vs a guy with 1200 defense? Why say gear matters when it doesn't actually matter? The whole event and presentation thereof is extremely misleading. It's basically nothing more than regular crucible with a different vendor and reputation system being passed off as some super special event. Personally I was hoping for something a little bit different, but it's looking more and more like nothing truly different is going to get added until the first expansion hits in December. Which is fine, because it gives me plenty of time to level up alternate characters without feeling that I'm missing out on anything by doing that instead of these events. For how much would a sniper rifle with 70 attack hit a guy with headshot modifier and his 1200 defense applied? Enough to kill him in 1-2 shots? How is defense applied in that aspect? I've played other games where defense was only applied for "white" damage which was more used for raid bosses as they did hard hitting melee attacks. Red marked seems very strange to me, though I did a lvl 8 strike the other day with my mostly rare equipped lvl 20 character and I managed to die due to the misconception that mobs wouldn't do very much damage on me as much better gear than at lvl 8 and lvl difference. |
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