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Post by iw5000 on Oct 15, 2014 14:19:46 GMT -5
...'if' the Ebola virus breaks out of containment in the United States, and you go into hiding?
I find this stuff fascinating. It looks like the first wave got stopped here. The 'wave' associated with the apartment complex Thomas Duncan was living between Sep 20th & Sep 28th. The four or five dozen people he had contact with, it would appear none of them have developed any signs. We are well past their ten day window. The second wave, the Hospital staff who helped him? Not so good. Out of the sixty people who treated Duncan, two now have come down with Ebola. We are also still three days away from passing that time limit. Others may show up still. And now we have a third and fourth possible waves. The first nurse? Hopefully that's stopped. But the 2nd nurse might have accidently opened up a possible wave up near Cleveland Ohio. Ouch.
We in the United States are one Mexican case away from a full scale panic in this country.
So if we all go into hiding for a month, will you be playing Destiny to pass the time?
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Post by tooros on Oct 15, 2014 14:45:10 GMT -5
I'm flying in from the UK to LA ,and on to Phoenix, next week. returning home 3 nights later. I have to say I'm not thrilled at the prospect. Not so much for fear, more for the probable aggro and disruption going through Airports 4 times. Do you think the public fear is that strong?
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Post by hebbnh on Oct 15, 2014 15:10:50 GMT -5
...'if' the Ebola virus breaks out of containment in the United States, and you go into hiding? I find this stuff fascinating. It looks like the first wave got stopped here. The 'wave' associated with the apartment complex Thomas Duncan was living between Sep 20th & Sep 28th. The four or five dozen people he had contact with, it would appear none of them have developed any signs. We are well past their ten day window. The second wave, the Hospital staff who helped him? Not so good. Out of the sixty people who treated Duncan, two now have come down with Ebola. We are also still three days away from passing that time limit. Others may show up still. And now we have a third and fourth possible waves. The first nurse? Hopefully that's stopped. But the 2nd nurse might have accidently opened up a possible wave up near Cleveland Ohio. Ouch. We in the United States are one Mexican case away from a full scale panic in this country. So if we all go into hiding for a month, will you be playing Destiny to pass the time? Delightfully morbid post there. And yes, Destiny would probably become my life at that point. No way I'd be risking contact with the outside world! |
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Post by iw5000 on Oct 15, 2014 15:12:51 GMT -5
I'm flying in from the UK to LA ,and on to Phoenix, next week. returning home 3 nights later. I have to say I'm not thrilled at the prospect. Not so much for fear, more for the probable aggro and disruption going through Airports 4 times. Do you think the public fear is that strong? I think you have ten times the odds of your commercial jet crashing, than catching ebola on a flight...so yeah, I agree with you that the real threat here is just disruption. But that said, perception can become reality. I would say the 'Fear' is already here with the business side of things. The market is already down 7.3% in the past three and half weeks, with most of that drop in the past week. There are other factors at play in that drop (world growth, ISIS, geopolitical tensions), but none of those enough to do what's being done. IMHo, the Ebola hit is the driver of the markets now. Airline stocks took a hit today, with traders pricing in significant drops in traffic coming down the road. There is HEAVY emotional trading going on now. The public? The American public is mostly dumb. The masses are to busy watching Jerry Springer and reading trash magazines to even know where Liberia is, let along what Ebola is. But it's on the cusp. Even dumb people can get it pretty quickly once the networks go into 24/7 'Ebola News' mode, which is one or two more incidents away from happening. It's right there. Especially if that indicident involves the virus getting into Mexico. All sh1t is going to break loose in a way that even a Steve King horry novel couldn't do justice. Already there are news stories out there, " UN says the world has 60 days left to contain Ebola". Stuff/headlines like that, ...just reek of a World War Z movie plot. We are almost there, on the edge. I am finding it very interesting from a story standpoint. I've been reading books on this stuff for years. From Richard Preston's 'Hot Zone' (The actual first US outbreak back in the 90's) to Ed Hooper just incredible 1,300 page book 'The River'. That book there is like the greatest book ever written on viruses. Reading all that stuff, ...it makes this fascinating as unlike AIDs, which was something that was only seen in the rear view mirror after it made it's initial surprise inroads into the US, ....due to Ebola's high contagion status, we can actually track it's spread contact to contact, in public, right from the get go in the US. Literally from day one. What is troublesome is the 2nd nurse who got it. The first nurse would appear to have contracted it early in Duncan's ER/Hospital stay. The nursing staff is on the record saying they did not treat him for contagions, even though he was projectile vomiting and shitting the first few days in the hospital. Piles and piles of sheets just sitting in his room. That explains nurse one. Nurse two? You backdate her exposure, it would appear she was infected during Duncan's last three days, when the hospital staff was supposedly fully equipped in Hazmat suits. |
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Post by markopolo on Oct 15, 2014 15:29:48 GMT -5
I live in Winnipeg, the canadian city with the major virology lab that is developing the Ebola vaccine for canadians and which the Canadian government is shipping out to other countries.
I think I know where I'd go first.......
PS: you americans get far to worked up over stuff
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Post by iw5000 on Oct 15, 2014 15:39:40 GMT -5
I live in Winnipeg, the canadian city with the major virology lab that is developing the Ebola vaccine for canadians and which the Canadian government is shipping out to other countries. I think I know where I'd go first....... PS: you americans get far to worked up over stuff Did you read my post? Most Americans don't even know what Ebola is yet. The public isn't worked up yet. It's on the business side. To quote Gary North, "There is a contest in the news media between boredom and widespread panic. It will end in one or the other." But the threat is real. Are you saying it isn't? Look around and at Africa. That doesn't even take into account how the virus could evolve if suddenly let loose in bigger areas. Look at AIDS and how that evolved into now what are dozens of substrains (serial passaging) And American hospitals are not prepared for this at all. The US Government is lying to the public about that part. . btw....regarding the vaccine. The Canadian public health agency that created it, is testing it now in the US. But that is still months away from what I read. And even then, are you going to voluntarily take an Ebola vaccine at this early stage? Ebola is not a retrovirus like AIDS, so that danger/difficulty is not there in production, but there are still some concerns. It's not that easy to produce. |
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Post by malgato on Oct 15, 2014 17:09:24 GMT -5
Please nerf Ebola, it is too strong in PvP.
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Post by wings on Oct 15, 2014 17:11:38 GMT -5
It is the next OP thing since bird flu.
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Post by Dumien on Oct 15, 2014 17:46:11 GMT -5
Mass has fantastic healthcare. Not worried.
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Post by MastaQ on Oct 15, 2014 20:19:46 GMT -5
I live in the Dallas area, and I'm not that worried. It'd be nice if I would get more playtime in such a scenario, but I work a job where I can VPN in and do my work, so no go there.
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Post by mannon on Oct 15, 2014 20:37:06 GMT -5
I'm in Dallas too...
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Post by iw5000 on Oct 16, 2014 9:22:21 GMT -5
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Post by markopolo on Oct 16, 2014 9:57:23 GMT -5
btw....regarding the vaccine. The Canadian public health agency that created it, is testing it now in the US. But that is still months away from what I read. And even then, are you going to voluntarily take an Ebola vaccine at this early stage? Ebola is not a retrovirus like AIDS, so that danger/difficulty is not there in production, but there are still some concerns. It's not that easy to produce. Yea... the government say that all the time, and then magically, hey look: there's a vaccine ready to go We do pretty good at staying safe. Doing things like actually being quarantined. And avoiding people who throw up blood and bleed from the eyes. Plus we have a healthcare system who has taught us to go to the hospital when we are sick... unlike the american medical business model where it is a burden to get sick. But yes, if Ebola hits, I'll play with my kids at home and when they go to bed, I'll play Destiny more. Again... you americans get too worked up... you're getting all Y2K/Nostradamus/the world is running out of oil on us here. |
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Post by iw5000 on Oct 16, 2014 10:27:55 GMT -5
btw....regarding the vaccine. The Canadian public health agency that created it, is testing it now in the US. But that is still months away from what I read. And even then, are you going to voluntarily take an Ebola vaccine at this early stage? Ebola is not a retrovirus like AIDS, so that danger/difficulty is not there in production, but there are still some concerns. It's not that easy to produce. Yea... the government say that all the time, and then magically, hey look: there's a vaccine ready to go We do pretty good at staying safe. Doing things like actually being quarantined. And avoiding people who throw up blood and bleed from the eyes. Plus we have a healthcare system who has taught us to go to the hospital when we are sick... unlike the american medical business model where it is a burden to get sick. But yes, if Ebola hits, I'll play with my kids at home and when they go to bed, I'll play Destiny more. Again... you americans get too worked up... you're getting all Y2K/Nostradamus/the world is running out of oil on us here. Worked up? If that's a shot at me for me putting up what is a fascinating issue going on.... Come on Marco. You might want to re-edit what you wrote as your understanding of the past is a bit lacking. Y2K was a marketing scam ploy run on unsuspecting dupes, to get them to buy sh1t they didn't need in the event of some tech issue becoming real world disaster (no utilities, power, etc...)Did some people fall for it? I'm sure. There's 310 million Americans and probably another 10 undocumented. America coughs and neighboring countries feel the ripples. Canada? 35 million tops? People get 'worked up' in Canada and no one would even notice. But to compare the Ebola stuff to Y2k is a bit ridiculous. People have actually died with this. If projections are right in Africa, there might, could be, as many as 20,000 or more deaths in the next few months over there. The problem is people don't even know how many, as many have gone into hiding. That's not a scam, that's actually real people dying. Bottom line here is this is real world stuff. You just never know. Have you ever known anyone who has died of AIDS? I have known two people. If you went back in time to May of 1981, would you have fluffed off as 'Nostrodamus silly bs', the stories of gay men dying of a strange pneumonia in NYC? That started with a few isolated cases too. Go back in time, and just write it off as just a couple cases. They are just in NYC. No big deal, doesn't affect me. Now? 33 years later, those few isolated cases were the tip of the iceberg that would end up engulfing close to 40 million people, with another 35 million currently having it. I think forty million deaths are justification for people being 'worked up'. Everything major crisis like this starts at one. Ground zero. |
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Post by mannon on Oct 16, 2014 10:36:26 GMT -5
Y2K was a real issue that was exploited and blown out of proportion. It was merely a programming issue with certain date schemes used in various hardware and software that was prevalent at the time, and it wasn't even the only such date related issue. But the fact is most key systems were simply patched before it was a problem and what things were affected by it didn't just suddenly go rampant or fail completely. I'm sure it caused some minor problems here and there in systems that weren't patched, but ultimately the affect on society was nil.
I do think a couple of cases of Ebola does not make an outbreak, however. Thousands die every year from the fucking flu and nobody bats an eye. "...It's all part of the plan..."
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Post by iw5000 on Oct 16, 2014 10:52:06 GMT -5
Y2K was a real issue that was exploited and blown out of proportion. It was merely a programming issue with certain date schemes used in various hardware and software that was prevalent at the time, and it wasn't even the only such date related issue. But the fact is most key systems were simply patched before it was a problem and what things were affected by it didn't just suddenly go rampant or fail completely. I'm sure it caused some minor problems here and there in systems that weren't patched, but ultimately the affect on society was nil. I do think a couple of cases of Ebola does not make an outbreak, however. Thousands die every year from the Foxtroting flu and nobody bats an eye. "...It's all part of the plan..." My point wasn't that Y2K wasn't real. The tech part was real. The scams were bs. They were fake. And when it was all said and done, no one died that I am aware of. Comparing Y2K and the spread of potential lethal pathological viruses is nonsensical. Regarding your 'couple of cases'. I think this is where some of you are misreading things. It's not a couple of cases. There have been close to 10,000 documented cases over in those couple of West African countries. Close to 5,000 deaths. That is real. Prior outbreaks had stayed contained in local villages, keeping the number of deaths in the hundreds. This outbreak, ...it broke out into the population. Regarding the Flu analogy. Yes, thousands die every year from the flu snd no one cares. But you are comparing an apple to a steak there. The typical yearly influenza virus has a very pathological kill rate, down around 0.1%...and typically that's only amongst the very weak, young, or very old. Small odds, large numbers. It shouldn't make news. But give that influenza virus some weird twist & mututation turns, like the 1918 flu pandemic when it got to a rate of 3%....things got ugly. Up to 75 million dead. Now let's play with a virus that is a approaching a 75% mortality rate. Most of the world is poor. If breaks containment, or worse yet mutates like the US strain of HIV did (becoming more lethal) there is nothing stopping it from achieving similar numbers. The world is much more interconnected these days. |
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Post by markopolo on Oct 16, 2014 11:14:10 GMT -5
Maybe I am being over-dismissive. But I still think people get too worked up over this. If Ebola was an airborne virus, then yes, I'd be worried. But it isn't. The Canadian health care system is vastly better than the ones in west africa and can handle it. One infection does not mean it's a pandemic.
But to answer your original question: if I was going into hiding for a month, assuming it was with my family, I'd play with my kids all month and then play video games on the nights when my wife didn't want to have sex. If I am alone in hiding, then I'd take a lot of yours and others advice, and get a few more of my destiny characters up to level 20 and do a lot more farming of mats, rep, etc etc
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Post by iw5000 on Oct 16, 2014 11:37:40 GMT -5
Maybe I am being over-dismissive. But I still think people get too worked up over this. If Ebola was an airborne virus, then yes, I'd be worried. But it isn't. The Canadian health care system is vastly better than the ones in west africa and can handle it. One infection does not mean it's a pandemic. Couple points to that. 1. Every pandemic starts out as a local outbreak. It's something that can only be known after the fact. What is going on in W Africa is now much larger than a local outbreak too. It has crossed country lines. 2. The Dallas Texas hospital was supposedly 'prepared' too, but the news coming out as to the reality of what happened, showed the hospital with being anything but ready. That hospital couldn't adequately handle ONE person with seventy trained staff members. How do you think they would have done if fifteen afflicted patients showed up? They wouldn't have had the resources. Your Canadian medical system won't be any better prepared if it moves your way. And even the 'open space' defense is becoming tenuous, with the ease of commercial airflights. I think you are also overplaying the 'airborne' card defense. I hope you are right, but past history does not leave any assurances here. Viruses mutate. Once it starts hitting the masses (which it has now done), mutations will occur. Rapidly. The 1918 flu virus did it. The AIDS virus did so too once it got within the US gay community. The virus became tremendously more lethal. And in addition to that, I think people might want to also be concerned is that the CDC and other agencies aren't quite entirely sure where the transmission line falls. Read my above link. The US CDC is completely inept on this right now, and months behind where it needs to be. This also isn't like AIDs where one almost needs a direct fluid to opening port, to just have a 1 in 10 chance of transmission. Ebola is a bit more sturdy. Transmission is easy IF you get this on you. And the line is pretty sketchy as to 'airborne' and direct transmission begins and ends. The agencies aren't quite sure how long it last if person wipes their hand on a surface, and then walks away. An infected person in NYC, coughs, wipes their hand on a railing....you might have close to hundreds of people within minutes touching that spot. |
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Post by hebbnh on Oct 16, 2014 11:55:12 GMT -5
Personally I don't think the "civilized" world has all that much to worry about if the virus remains in its current state, at least not yet. If it mutates somehow or suddently becomes airborne, then yeah, it might be panic time. Things in West Africa are bad, and the containment plan is falling farther behind every day. Granted a lot of the issues there are due to not having what most of us would consider basic things like running water and sanitation, but still. I guess at this point I wouldn't say I'm worried or worked up over it per se, but it's something that people should probably be more aware of. This isn't anything like the flu--you get this, you're probably 50/50 to live at best. It's not something to screw around with. A couple links for anyone that might be more interested: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebola_virus_diseaseen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebola_virus_epidemic_in_West_Africa |
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Post by iw5000 on Oct 16, 2014 12:22:00 GMT -5
To toss this out there. The Ebola virus has gone airborne before. There are five species of this genus. The current one spreading is Ebola Zaire (one of the most lethal). But years ago, a mutation split off right here in the United States, the 'Reston Ebolavirus'. This version of Ebola was airborne, spreading very quickly amongst monkeys (killing most of them), as well as six workers too. Fortunately, ...the bullet was dodged as it turned out to be asymptomatic amongst humans. Prior history has shown this virus to have the ability to go airborne.
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Post by mannon on Oct 16, 2014 12:22:24 GMT -5
I'm not downplaying Ebola in general. We need to get Foxtroting on that shit right now, (more like years and years ago, but whatever...) But while newsworthy, I don't think a few cases in the US is something to go apeshit over just yet.
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Post by iw5000 on Oct 16, 2014 12:24:54 GMT -5
I'm not downplaying Ebola in general. We need to get Foxtroting on that shit right now, (more like years and years ago, but whatever...) And while newsworthy, I don't think a few cases in the US is something to go apeshit over just yet. Why do you guys keep using words like 'apesh1t', 'worked up' and 'Nostrodamus'? If anything, the American public has been completely in the dark and ignorant of this news. They aren't doing anything close to these words. The business world (market) is reacting, but they react to everything. And this post, is anything but hysterical in nature. Just tossing up a current event, under the Destiny heading. It's a fascinating story. One doesn't get to witness events like these that often. |
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Post by mannon on Oct 16, 2014 12:30:25 GMT -5
I just mention it because the feeling I'm getting is everybody is still in wait and see mode, but the worry level of a lot of people seems right on the edge of panic mode and then we'll start seeing the hoarding start soon at this rate. There's always a stupid panic, even the anthrax stuff caused a bit of a panic and people were hoarding Cipro for fuck's sake...
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Post by iw5000 on Oct 16, 2014 12:33:58 GMT -5
I just mention it because the feeling I'm getting is everybody is still in wait and see mode, but the worry level of a lot of people seems right on the edge of panic mode and then we'll start seeing the hoarding start soon at this rate. There's always a stupid panic, even the anthrax stuff caused a bit of a panic and people were hoarding Cipro for Foxtrot's sake... Well, that's what I said in one of my earlier/above posts. We are still a few more incidents away from what you describe (panic mode). But even today, a few Cleveland schools shut down due to precautions. |
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Post by mannon on Oct 16, 2014 13:06:15 GMT -5
I can see it coming now and the media will just gobble it up then shrug and pretend not to know what anybody is talking about if anybody complains. Not that it's all the media's fault or anything, but their complete lack of taking responsibility for anything, ever, is BS when you know they milk any and every fear they can monger for ratings at every possible opportunity.
But, I digress... ;3
We've probably derailed this thread enough now. heh
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Post by iw5000 on Oct 16, 2014 13:31:32 GMT -5
I can see it coming now and the media will just gobble it up then shrug and pretend not to know what anybody is talking about if anybody complains. Not that it's all the media's fault or anything, but their complete lack of taking responsibility for anything, ever, is BS when you know they milk any and every fear they can monger for ratings at every possible opportunity. But, I digress... ;3 We've probably derailed this thread enough now. heh Actually, the Destiny playing in it is the derailing part. I put this up to talk about the virus. |
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Post by TheHawkNY on Oct 23, 2014 16:47:20 GMT -5
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Post by tooros on Oct 23, 2014 18:36:14 GMT -5
'Sitting in PHX about to start the long haul home. I can't see any face masks, rubber gloves or smell alcohol hand sanitizer. People are milling about calmly. All's well. I watched the news in the hotel and was expecting the walking dead.
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