First and foremost I think every main character is a running riot. Every main character in this show is lovable, and that in and of itself has me hooked. The main storyline is very compelling. Steven is a Crystal Gem, and has three other crystal gem buddies helping him become like... the Avatar or some crazy shit. As Steven learns more and more about the Crystal Gems and their homeworld the plot gets sweeter. A LOT sweeter- so much so that it makes the episodes focused around the humans in Beach City boring. Honestly I've skipped a few of those.
Also, I got into it in the first place because I heard something about Tumblr giving out death threats to some artist in the fandom. On the flip side 4chan decided to edit some of the show's pony-coloured characters to be white to piss off some SJWs on Tumblr in response. Look it up on Google, it's hilarious. Totally didn't notice any of this SJW shenaniganry when watching the show, but it's hilarious.
Also Mabel kills Gravity Falls for me, but that's another story. Maybe I'll pick it back up eventually.
Also I disagree with your stance on the townie episodes, except for the Ronaldo episodes.
I watched the first episode of Gravity Falls, and skipped to episode 12 because the first two episodes of a show aren't always representative of how it plays out midway. This happened with Steven Universe where I watched the first two episodes then stopped for a year or so. Then I realized this show was the best thing ever when things picked up. I'll probably get back to watching Gravity Falls soon. Who am I kidding? Of course I'll pick it up again.
I didn't skip a lot of Townie episodes. Even Onion's otherwise mischievous character paid off eventually, which impressed me. I skipped Restaurant Wars because I'm not really interested in Koffi and whoever. You had five rubies playing baseball with the Gems several episodes earlier- that had me in stitches. The New Lars I didn't watch completely- Lars is a very predictable, unpleasant character and I skipped to the end knowing what would likely happen. It was accurate. I'm convinced Lars is written into a corner, like Diamond Tiara from MLP.
That being said Rocknaldo was awful. Ronaldo's tinfoil hat is what made him at least somewhat interesting in the first place. Him begging Garnet to leave, then begging her to stay was pretty funny, but a whole episode was too much. Season 4 so far was the baseball episode almost every time.
EDIT: Up to S1E6 on GravFalls. Mabel isn't that annoying, and Soos is the best supporting character you can ask for.
Being that I used to be into MLP, I found it amusing that the BBEG almost died to a giant magical doohickey that would have wiped him clean off the map through the power of friendship and rainbows. If this was MLP that would have been the end of it, but it wasn't. Instead the show resorted to a more interesting win condition. So much solid writing; I keep saying that because MLP's writing made me cringe more often than not.
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That would imply MLP is worth taking back. MLP does have the largest fanbase out there, but that's largely because they have Derpibooru and Equestria Daily to host all the MLP-related stuff and keep their retention rates high. I don't know of many fandoms that have anything beyond Reddit.
As far as the show's quality is concerned, MLP's creative freedom is very restricted and likely rushed. I wouldn't take it back.
WALL OF TEXT INCOMING. Do not read unless you're really into Steven Universe There's a simple rule to making a great character in D&D, and that is establishing a motivation. What your character wants immediately dictates his actions, dilemmas, and gives him/her all kinds of depth. Is it money? Is it fame, or a certain knowledge? Maybe it's power. Peace of mind. Peace between kingdoms. Peace between worlds. Maybe it's love.
Steven Universe's friend Pearl is an excellent example. Pearl's ultimate motivation is to serve a life-long partner. She was made to serve as is customary for Pearls like her. She was assigned specifically to serve Rose Quartz however she can. Throughout the Rebellion she picked up skills like mechanical engineering, sword-fighting... and other things no Pearl on home-world would ever have any need to know. She even drives a human car and evades the cops at one point. Anything to help Rose. She gives all her time and energy to be Rose's servant, risking life and limb to be free with her, and that just sets her up for her ultimate tragedy- Greg. Pearl wanted Rose and her affection more than anything, but then Rose gave it to Greg over her. It's never really revealed why Rose did that, even in Mr Greg both Pearl and Greg can't figure out why Rose did what she did. So now Pearl has no Rose to serve, and it gets interesting when we see her attempts to fill that void. She's overbearingly motherly towards Steven- that's all she has left of this ONE Gem she's been with for millenia. If Rose gave up everything to make Steven, then Pearl must assume that Steven is extremely important to the well-being of Earth. There's an interesting glimpse of Pearl's mindset on the subject was when she teaches Connie sword-fighting. She manages to convince Connie that she's a mere zealot for Steven. Steven was so focused on telling Connie that wasn't okay, but he overlooks the implication that THAT was what Pearl thought of Steven. It's not only confirmed that Pearl is not at peace with her loss, but thinks laying everything down for Steven might help- hence her overbearing motherly attitude towards him. Last One Out of Beach City reveals this again when Pearl attempts to pick up a pink-haired woman loosely resembling Rose. She was willing to be reckless for this pink-haired woman she never met, and while Steven and Amethyst were egging her on Pearl still took a risk and chased after that pink-haired lady. She's not satisfied with just taking care of Steven to fill the void. This desire to serve Rose without Rose poses some instability, and it wouldn't be surprising was her only catharsis was fusing to become Sardonyx. She tricked Garnet in Cry for Help. That's why half of Garnet knows Pearl is trying to cope with her loss doing this and pities her, while the other half feels anger at Pearl's lack of self-restraint. So now we have a character who wants nothing but to be with Rose, has no Rose, and is desperately trying to fill that void. Stuff like this is why I strongly believe Steven Universe is among the best. And that is why Pearl will eventually shag Steven's brain out.
Now what do we have with My Little Pony? Let's go with Rainbow Dash. Like Pearl she's not the star, but she's still a main character. Rainbow Dash is ultimately motivated by honour. She wants to be the fastest, to be be admired, and to join the ranks of the Wonderbolts. Fall Weather Friends has her racing on foot against Applejack, Sonic Rainboom has her making a Rainboom to impress the Wonderbolts, The Best Night Ever has her talking to some of the Wonderbolts, and The Mysterious Mare-Do-Well has her being a super heroine to the point where the recognition went straight to her head. Eventually Rainbow Dash officially becomes part of the Wonderbolts in Season 6's Top Bolt, and her story stops there. That's... that's it really. No tragedy. No inner struggle. No ongoing conflicts with other ponies. Just Rainbow Dash wants to be a Wonderbolt, then a linear progression to become one.
This is what happens when continuity in a show can only happen between seasons. Because of the format every scuffle in the show between the main characters has to be resolved in that same episode; every loose end tied up in 22 minutes. The writing has to stay simplistic as though it's designed for much younger kids, and the creators have been adamant about this from the beginning. That being said I personally believe that some effort and talent can mitigate that hurdle with ease, but maybe MLP isn't worth taking back.
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I don't get why SJWs have a liking to Steven Universe in particular. It's about a Tier 3 civilization, all female, whose problems are being solved by the only male gem in the entire universe.
I mean...not really. I mean Steven Foxtrots up just as much, if not more, than everyone else, and needs help just as often as he provides it. Plus if you're talking about the Gem civilization itself, Steven ain't solving their problems, he is the problem.
And in regards to the first poster...I really don't see anything SJW or wrong about it (aside from using the term GSM)
The second thing is dumb as Foxtrot though. Steven Universe doesn't "belong" to anyone.
The Powerpuff Girls reboot was received with a lot of negativity in the fandom, so I went out and watched 3 random episodes of the original Powerpuff Girls and some of the rebooted stuff.
First and foremost, I can't really say the old stuff was great. Sure. Many industry veterans worked on this show, and it definitely isn't awful for the time period in what it was trying to do. It's like the MLP:FiM of its generation. There are stand-out colourful aesthetics and solid animation quality for an ongoing cartoon TV series in the late 90s. There are stand-out, clean-cut, adorable characters in a world of blocks and squares, and the storyboard direction is similar.
Writing quality for this show was all over the place. My first episode started with a death ray of sorts that immediately gets dismantled. The BBEG gets sacked off the bat, and the girls take home the cat he owned. It turns out the cat had mind control powers, and mind-slaves Professor X to build another death ray... which was just a wide-scale mind control device to begin with. The girls uncap the plot, send the cat off the roof of a tall building, and that was it. Impressive for an 11-minute segment. After that came another 11-minute segment. Mayor Mayor (that's his name) is up for re-election, so he sends out a cross-city ad campaign to get the ball rolling. However, some hillbilly from across town gets annoyed by this blaring message, tells the mayor to shut up, aaaand somehow the townsfolk want the hillbilly to be mayor now. Eventually the Girls get tired of doing all the new mayor's chores, the former mayor, Professor X, and the Powerpuff Girls get into a wrestling match, and the whole plot is a hot mess. It feels like a diamond in the rough that turned out to be a polished ordinary stone.
Now what about the new Powerpuff Girls? I think it's an updated 2016 version of itself in every way. The writing is more consistent, and equally laden with tropes. Every character that isn't a Powerpuff Girl is a one-trick pony with an overbearingly tropey persona. In season 1 episode 2 there's already a gang of tropey cool kids, tropey rich kid, and even a tropey monster guy that breaks the fourth wall to admit how tropey he is. The show just revels in that fact and doesn't even begin to take itself seriously. There are no characters torn apart over tragedy. No characters with life goals that throw them into weird paths. No amibiguous characters that straddle a grey morality. It's... exactly how it the Powerpuff Girls were in 1998.
It's like the fans of the original show wanted a reboot of the show that grew up with them, and this isn't it. I could just throw out "Samurai Jack did the reboot right" and be done with it here, but that comparison doesn't work. Samurai Jack is a tragic warrior, removed from his time period, can't settle in his foreign world, and has to defeat a near-invincible demon to have a chance at getting what he wants. A more grisly and weathered version of Samurai Jack almost writes itself here. For the Powerpuff Girls it's strong at being girly, cute, and carefree was what it was good at. So it just did more of that. The action is slightly less basic, but the super powers of TPPG are equally relevant to them as Superman's powers are to him. Perhaps in an alternate universe where TPPG weren't a brand of toys there might have been more risks and creative liberties taken with the show to appeal with new and old audiences alike, but that's not the case here. It's the toy industry, so it stays as a girly girl's show for girls.
It's the toy industry, so it stays as a girly girl's show for girls.
That's exactly why the new PPG is so cringe worthy, the original show, good or bad, hate it or love it, wasn't dependent on a toy line. Remember, PPG originally came out of Seibert's What a Cartoon!, which was basically just a variety show of pilots to try and garner a following. The show came first, then the toys.
The reboot is a paint by number corporate cartoon. Sell toys, reference the "may-mays", be "hip" and "cool" and a big dose of .
It's just trying too hard and as such lost all sense of personality, which isn't surprising, because Craig McCracken had nothing to do with the reboot.
It's just trying too hard and as such lost all sense of personality, which isn't surprising,
I can't be too sure of that. It's really hard to wind back the clock two decades and pinpoint who the titans were of that generation, and what made TPPG so special to begin with. Was it revolutionary because it showed that superhero cartoons could be fun, girly and still be cohesive?
It's really hard to wind back the clock two decades and pinpoint who the titans were of that generation, and what made TPPG so special to begin with.
Not really, because there's pretty consistent traits between titans of old and titans of new. You can see the same things that made PPG, Dexter's Lab (insert 90's cartoon here) so good and what makes shows nowadays like Steven Universe, Adventure Time, Gravity Falls etc... so good, the creators are given enough freedom to write the stories they want and to have fun with the show. They're not talking down to kids, they're not forced to try and sell toys, there's little to no corporate suits coming in and saying "this is what's hip with the kids these days, include it".
Letting them know only they see my illusion would be the nice thing to do. Nice. But...no.