Nightfall Tuesdays?

[mannon]

I think I need to start doing these on Tuesday soon as I can for the XP bonus to get more motes for Xur. What are the bare minimums for doing nightfalls?

For example what would it take for one or two lower levels with weaker weapons to be carried, what's it take for two more or less evenly matched players to do together, (with or without a random third player), and what's it take to solo?

Mainly I'm thinking Marko and I need to get on these whenever we can, but we're not close to being able to do them ourselves. Weekly on level 26 was fairly tough and I fear we wouldn't even be able to do it on level 28. I'm guessing we need to hit level 28 first, but that should be possible soon. I've got an exotic piece and the shards I need, just need to grab a legendary (or exotic) helmet and XP them up. If I'm really really lucky I can get a few more motes and maybe Dur will still be selling helmet engrams, and if Rahool favors me I'll get an exotic helmet for Warlock... that's a lot of ifs, though. heh

I'm thinking I want to farm lots of motes, though. And that XP boost would be great for that. I'd like to see what we can organize for getting some of us lower level people through it if anybody wants to help carry us until we're ready to fly on our own. (I'm assuming I can partner with Marko on this once we can double team it.)

[markopolo]

If our little Venus trip taught me anything, is that my weapons ain't cutting it. Especially my autorifle.

I need some sort of damage on them, and it's gotta be void.

I'm very veyr very tempted not to buy the headgear I need and push to level 3 to buy a better weapon.

I needz the void damage.

EDIT: unless the nightfall isn't so voidweapon dependant... then sure!

[malgato]

Nov 3, 2014 13:35:59 GMT -5 markopolo said:

If our little Venus trip taught me anything, is that my weapons ain't cutting it. Especially my autorifle.

I need some sort of damage on them, and it's gotta be void.

I'm very veyr very tempted not to buy the headgear I need and push to level 3 to buy a better weapon.

I needz the void damage.

EDIT: unless the nightfall isn't so voidweapon dependant... then sure!

The element changes every week. And the only primaries that have element damage come from the raid. I'd suggest upgrading your Armor (and thus your level) as a priority. Also, try to get a fusion rifle, a sniper, a rocket launcher, and a machine gun for each element. Or at least cover all elements with a combination of special and heavy weapons. For Nightfall, rare guns of the appropriate element can outperform legendaries that don't have the correct element.

[markopolo]

Nov 3, 2014 13:45:36 GMT -5 malgato said:

The element changes every week. And the only primaries that have element damage come from the raid. I'd suggest upgrading your Armor (and thus your level) as a priority. Also, try to get a fusion rifle, a sniper, a rocket launcher, and a machine gun for each element. Or at least cover all elements with a combination of special and heavy weapons. For Nightfall, rare guns of the appropriate element can outperform legendaries that don't have the correct element.

So....

3 autorifles, each with the different type of damage (void, arc and solar)
3 fusion rifles, each with the different type of damage (void, arc and solar)
3 sniper rifles, each with the different type of damage (void, arc and solar)
3 rocket launchers, each with the different type of damage (void, arc and solar)
3 machine guns, each with the different type of damage (void, arc and solar)

[wings]

What is it to solo? It is easier because the health of the enemies are lowest when only one person is playing as they increase with the number of people in the game. Do not pass up rare elemental weapons. My rare snipers were outperforming my Ice Breaker for damage a few weeks ago and I only got rid of the rare sniper riflles until I came into possession two Epitaph rifles in arc and void damage and got them fully upgraded.

The main thing for Radiant Light is to level up the weapons I find using the bounty and equip weapon trick.

Tomorrow's Nightfall looks like it will be Valus Ta'aurc so stock up on machine guns and rocket launchers of each elemental type. And stock up on the heavy ammo synthesis packs too.

[mannon]

Void was really good on the Weekly Nightfall because it featured void burn. But it's not always the same every week, it changes. So really you gotta build an arsenal of all three elements. Your grenades and super were enhanced by it as well, though. So there's that. We'll see what we get for the weekly tomorrow. I'm betting it won't be void this time.

Void IS very good for VoG, however. Because the vex tend to have void (purple) shields and VoG features mostly Vex. I believe Hive usually have sun (orange) shields and fallen usually have arc (blue). Though there are exceptions.

So get a rainbow arsenal of sniper rifles and LMGs. Rockets aren't bad to have either, but I usually roll with a MG instead. Though from what I've read it sounds like rockets are pretty much depended on for VoG, but then I assume that's exotic or really really good legendary rocket launchers, and not just run of the mill launchers. *shrug*

You might hold off on the helmet purchase until the weekend. If Xur carries an exotic helmet or helmet engram you might be able to pick that up and save the marks for a weapon. I'd say hit all the dailies for the XP/motes and do the weekly for the coins, and mix in as many gold events as you care to grind to hope for more coins. 13 coins and you can buy armor, 23 motes and you can buy armor engram, or if you get really lucky you can buy whatever exotic weapon he's selling for 23 coins (I think).

Either way, lets grind out some coins and motes! (Note you may still want that legendary helmet anyway since you can only equip one exotic armor at a time and don't know what exotic armors Xur may have. I'll need one to go with my Voidfang chestpiece.)

[iw5000]

Nov 3, 2014 13:58:15 GMT -5 markopolo said:

Nov 3, 2014 13:45:36 GMT -5 malgato said:

The element changes every week. And the only primaries that have element damage come from the raid. I'd suggest upgrading your Armor (and thus your level) as a priority. Also, try to get a fusion rifle, a sniper, a rocket launcher, and a machine gun for each element. Or at least cover all elements with a combination of special and heavy weapons. For Nightfall, rare guns of the appropriate element can outperform legendaries that don't have the correct element.

So....

3 autorifles, each with the different type of damage (void, arc and solar)
3 fusion rifles, each with the different type of damage (void, arc and solar)
3 sniper rifles, each with the different type of damage (void, arc and solar)
3 rocket launchers, each with the different type of damage (void, arc and solar)
3 machine guns, each with the different type of damage (void, arc and solar)

The above is nice in theory, but for the most part, you'll be fine if you don't do that. Like the VoG for example. I use the regular non-element guns and a few solars, and that pretty much is all I need for it. No issues whatsoever.

[malgato]

Nov 3, 2014 13:58:15 GMT -5 markopolo said:

Nov 3, 2014 13:45:36 GMT -5 malgato said:

The element changes every week. And the only primaries that have element damage come from the raid. I'd suggest upgrading your Armor (and thus your level) as a priority. Also, try to get a fusion rifle, a sniper, a rocket launcher, and a machine gun for each element. Or at least cover all elements with a combination of special and heavy weapons. For Nightfall, rare guns of the appropriate element can outperform legendaries that don't have the correct element.

So....

3 autorifles, each with the different type of damage (void, arc and solar)
3 fusion rifles, each with the different type of damage (void, arc and solar)
3 sniper rifles, each with the different type of damage (void, arc and solar)
3 rocket launchers, each with the different type of damage (void, arc and solar)
3 machine guns, each with the different type of damage (void, arc and solar)

Ideally, yes. But in practice it is obviously hard to get that full arsenal. The key for nightfall is to have a special and/or heavy weapon (preferably both) with the correct element.

For the raid, you must have a heavy weapon with void damage. Praetorians are a bitch, especially if you are under leveled, and you need void to take them down.

[wings]

I doubt you will need fusion rifles. Sniper rifles are the choice for a special weapon. You will want to pick off some enemies before getting close to make things easier, e.g. Winter's Run was made easy becuase I used sniper rifles as a main weapon.

[mannon]

As mentioned it's hard to get primaries with elemental damage so don't worry about trying to get 3 autorifles. I've been hording sniper and fusion rifles of all three elements for a while some, rare, some just green, but I only replace and disassemble one when I find a better one of the same element.

Also use isthegunsmithsellingrarefusionrifles.com/. I've got a couple, but we can flesh out our fusion rifle arsenals and pay in glimmer so should be easy peasy. Also if we finish our exotic bounties we'll have an exotic shotgun, which could have it's uses. (And maybe with that bounty done we'll be eligible for a new one.)

[markopolo]

Fusion rifles is the one where you have to charge them, right? I hated that vanguard bounty so damn much

I fuggen hate fusion rifles.

But hey..... why not

[tooros]

I couldn't do a nightfall until I was 28. It's hard. 26 to 27 is fairly easy. 27 to 28 relies on shards. Once at 28 they're easy to get. Daily on 28 yield 2 ascendant items. Raids are doable and weeklies on 28 get coins. It's then all down to the raid rng.
You're in the tough stretch. Stick with it.

[mannon]

Yeah I'm not a big fan of fusion rifles either, I just kinda collect them and upgrade them as a backup for one day when I might need them. ;3

[mannon]

Yeah I've got enough shards to fully upgrade an exotic so I think I'll be okay... for now. (I will need more.) Poor Marko really needs shards, though. Good reason to grind those dailies.

[markopolo]

I use the fusion rifles... I upgrade them with glimmer and as soon as I need a mat, bingo, broken down

[malgato]

Nov 3, 2014 14:21:35 GMT -5 wings said:

I doubt you will need fusion rifles. Sniper rifles are the choice for a special weapon. You will want to pick off some enemies before getting close to make things easier, e.g. Winter's Run was made easy becuase I used sniper rifles as a main weapon.

I normally don't love fusion rifles, but there are times when they can easily out perform snipers. For example, two weeks ago on the Moon strike, it was much faster to take the 4 wizards out wit a fusion rifle. Same for the boss.

[wings]

Nov 3, 2014 17:53:09 GMT -5 malgato said:

Nov 3, 2014 14:21:35 GMT -5 wings said:

I doubt you will need fusion rifles. Sniper rifles are the choice for a special weapon. You will want to pick off some enemies before getting close to make things easier, e.g. Winter's Run was made easy becuase I used sniper rifles as a main weapon.

I normally don't love fusion rifles, but there are times when they can easily out perform snipers. For example, two weeks ago on the Moon strike, it was much faster to take the 4 wizards out wit a fusion rifle. Same for the boss.

I used rockets on the Wizards when they entered the 'corridor' if I couldn't spam the Ice Breaker on them and I sniped Phogoth from the 'safe room' that precedes the other room where the Shrieker spawns. I never tried a fusion rifle on Phogoth since I barely have any of them. I only have the Pocket Infinities that I got for each of my character and, until very recently, an arc Plan C. I would still would prefer rockets for the Wizards on Nightfall because of the charge delay and they have solar shields so that means solar rockets. Now that I got the Armamentarium for my Titan, I can scavenge purple ammo drops and get up to 7 rockets.

[iw5000]

Nov 3, 2014 14:19:37 GMT -5 malgato said:

For the raid, you must have a heavy weapon with void damage. Praetorians are a bitch, especially if you are under leveled, and you need void to take them down.

Is that right?

I have done the entire VoG normal mode without any void guns, and did not have any issues taking out Praetorians. Using just my Vision of Confluence and Icebreaker. Both being solar.

[hebbnh]

For normal I don't think it's all that critical -- pretty much any maxed weapon will be enough. There's enough leeway that you can get by without taking the praetorians down as quickly as possible. On hard I'm guessing it's a different story. Maxed void launchers or Gjallarhorn become necessary in order to take things out fast so you don't get overrun.

[daftpunk]

So lvl 29 Titan with maxed Shadowprice and Icebreaker should be ok for normal raid , void weapons i have are , wizard , swarm and the Truth , accidentally dismantled a void epitaph sniper , shitshitshit... also have a near maxed TDYN , Hand cannons any use in raid ??

[mannon]

Lord we need an UNDO for dismantling! Even with having to hold the button down for X seconds it's not enough because we so often have to dig through and dismantle lots of stuff quickly.

I don't think it would be difficult to do. Just have the game keep a log of the last X number of dismantled items and make them available to be rebuilt by the appropriate NPCs for at least the cost of the materials and glimmer you got for dismantling if not more. You would probably lose all XP and upgrades on the weapon as well, which could be a steep price if you put lots of ascendant energy/shards into it, but better than nothing.

Rebuilding an item could also potentially randomize some of the variable attributes which would create a secondary use for rebuilding items as well as introduce a further element of risk to dismantling the wrong thing, (for good or ill).

Not that Bungie reads this forum so this is all just develoment fantasy. ;3 Srsly need some means of undoing accidental disassemblies, though. (If implementing the above system it may also be best to limit rebuilds to only rare or better items. Those are easily replaceable by other means and we all have to disassemble mountains of them. It would be far too easy to disassemble a weapon on accident then fill your rebuild que with trash before you notice.)

[iw5000]

Nov 4, 2014 11:32:43 GMT -5 daftpunk said:

So lvl 29 Titan with maxed Shadowprice and Icebreaker should be ok for normal raid , void weapons i have are , wizard , swarm and the Truth , accidentally dismantled a void epitaph sniper , shitshitshit... also have a near maxed TDYN , Hand cannons any use in raid ??

Definitely for a normal Raid. I have both of those. In fact, the above are my go-to guns. Maxed out ShadowPrice, Vision of Confluence and Icebreaker. None of mine are void. I have done at least five raids with nothing but those guns, and didn't meet a single enemy they wouldn't damage.