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Post by hebbnh on Jun 17, 2015 14:19:05 GMT -5
LOL, you should have said something. We would've happily left and ran it with you instead. That dude was weird!
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Post by bradman on Jun 17, 2015 14:35:53 GMT -5
Pretty sure they'd make the decision to go with Activision again. They had the biggest new IP of all time, and Microsoft's help didn't make that Halo collection become a huge success. Huh? I thought Halo was a big success and a lot of the Halo player base will be playing Destiny as a result of that. If you're going to measure success by profits earned then I'm not sure if that's an ideal comparison since a lot of the shooters these days have their best days behind them, let alone the sales modeling of Destiny itself. Unless I have completely misunderstood your point? Or are you saying that Bungie thought Microsoft didn't push Halo to being a bigger IP than it already is? I think he meant what a trainwreck the Master Chief Collection is/was.
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Post by wings on Jun 17, 2015 14:54:45 GMT -5
Huh? I thought Halo was a big success and a lot of the Halo player base will be playing Destiny as a result of that. If you're going to measure success by profits earned then I'm not sure if that's an ideal comparison since a lot of the shooters these days have their best days behind them, let alone the sales modeling of Destiny itself. Unless I have completely misunderstood your point? Or are you saying that Bungie thought Microsoft didn't push Halo to being a bigger IP than it already is? I think he meant what a trainwreck the Master Chief Collection is/was. Oh I never bought it. Heard there were problems and a huge download patch on day one.
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Post by markopolo on Jun 17, 2015 15:05:30 GMT -5
I think I'm gonna hold off on the pre-ordering until more worm is put on the hook for me to take a bite.
I mean... don't get me wrong, I will end up ordering. But I'm ticked off that Kinderguardians will get more candy than us OGeezers. I'm hoping Bungie... Activision... whoever... does it right by sweetening the pot
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Post by wittyscorpion on Jun 17, 2015 15:20:33 GMT -5
Are there any news on subsequent DLCs after The Taken King? Like how many planned and pricing?
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Post by markopolo on Jun 17, 2015 15:27:12 GMT -5
no idea... but probably something before christmas
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Post by TheHawkNY on Jun 17, 2015 20:03:19 GMT -5
I think he meant what a trainwreck the Master Chief Collection is/was. Oh I never bought it. Heard there were problems and a huge download patch on day one. I was talking about that one, and what you just wrote kinda says it all, doesn't it?
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Post by mannon on Jun 18, 2015 0:00:31 GMT -5
I do want the dances, but it's not enough to make me up from $40 to $80. I'm also not sure I'm preordering at all. $40 is nearly a whole game, and I can't imagine any DLC for Destiny being equal to a whole game when the DLC we've gotten so far are not even close. Even as more or less happy as I am with HoW if I hadn't already paid for it I would have had to think about the $15 investment first. Since I got the digital guardian edition the price was already a memory and I'm just happy it's better than TDB and has many quality of life improvements for end game players.
Taken King looks cool, but it's got srs competition coming up and I've got limited dollars to burn on my PS4. I have to get the new Battlefront... prolly on PS4, maybe PC. Still no release date, but I'm also all about No Man's Sky and looking forward to that. Fallout 4 looks really cool too, but actually I'll hold off on it. I tend to buy in on the Fallout and TES games late because I haven't really played the ones out now enough, to save money, and because I like to install many glorious mods. (Mostly cosmetic and game enhancing mods, no cheaty stuff... the games aren't hard as is.) So as excited as I am I'll spend a year or so just working on F3 and Vegas instead and pick it up in a Steam sale when I'm ready. ;3
Many other good things coming out of E3, though. We'll see...
Taken King... I dunno. I think I'm in, but I'm a little on the fence still. Once it releases I'll prolly buy in or bow out until Destiny 2...
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Post by wittyscorpion on Jun 18, 2015 4:28:25 GMT -5
Talking about upcoming games:
1) I am definitely getting Halo 5. I really liked the competitive MP beta, the just announced (at E3) MP game mode "Warzone" of 12 v 12 MOBA inspired large scale battle looks really fun, and you can always count on a solid campaign from Halo series;
2) Taken King is high on the list provided that many other XONE bros are also getting it. I probably won't preorder either though, most likely a week 1 or week 2 purchase assuming positive community feedbacks;
3) The next on the list is "The Division". It won't be released until March, but XONE beta will happen in December. Plan to preorder into the beta and see how things go;
4) Black Ops 3? Don't know. Nowadays it is getting harder and harder to feel excited about CoD;
5) Star Wars? Is it going to play like Battlefield in Star Wars theme? If yes, then not very excited about it either;
6) Fallout 4? Interested, but probably won't pick it up until it is on sale...
Interested in seeing how other bros here feel about the upcoming games...
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Post by mannon on Jun 18, 2015 8:18:29 GMT -5
1) Yeah I'll be on board for Halo 5 when I get an XB1 someday. As for the solid campaign... I agree with that for all the Bungie ones. Halo 4 was a big let down for me, though. It had a handful of interesting levels and that's about it... and the quicktime event final boss can suck a nut... I went through the campaign once with my GF. It actually inspired us to go back and play more Reach to wash out the taint. ;3 Not my cuppa. The graphics were pretty... if... odd. I dunno not fully digging the remake on some of the visual style, but that's more a personal thing.
2) Yeah, wait and see... I don't know how high on my list it is yet, though...
3) I can't recall if The Division is XB1 exclusive, if not I'm interested.
4) Dunno... looks coolish... Prolly not a something I'll buy at launch just to avoid the mistake I made with AW.
5) It's the third game in the series so I expect it will play like a Battlefront game rather than Battlefield. It's looking so far like one of THE Star Wars games I always wanted to play as a kid... (but of course we didn't have the tech).
6) Yarp... Unless I burn through the other Fallouts and am just itching to get at it and play vanilla... which isn't likely. PC for me, though.
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Post by iw5000 on Jun 18, 2015 8:47:03 GMT -5
iw5000though it will take a bit more to convince me to hand out $80 for the Expansion and 2 DLC's (that we can reasonably expect). I must make time in my busy busy schedule anyways for the new Mass Effect. I wasn't trolling. While I didn't read it carefully (read through the article somewhat fast), it seems asking people to pay another $80(?) to keep playing the game, for what will be another DLC update in the fall, ...seems excessive. Just to get some shaders and armor early (the extra $40). Of course hardcore players will go for that. That was the point of the article linked. Bungie knows it has people. And yes, I can pay for it. It's not expensive, but looking at it solely on the principle of things. And if my opinion is considered trolling, then what do you made of planetdestiny's take? They referred to it as possibly being a money grab, or something like that.
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Post by iw5000 on Jun 18, 2015 8:51:50 GMT -5
I think he meant what a trainwreck the Master Chief Collection is/was. Oh I never bought it. Heard there were problems and a huge download patch on day one. See Witty's posts. He bought it. From what I read, what was offered was simply incredible. But the execution of the MP(PvP) just simply never worked. Or at least didn't work for a few months or more. I think people literally couldn't play the PvP. I think that's what people mean by the trainwreck comments. But if you just played the solo campaign stuff, liked making maps, the actual deal people got was pretty incredible. You got like five or so old games in one package. All redone with new graphics.
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Post by iw5000 on Jun 18, 2015 9:00:40 GMT -5
planetdestiny.com/taken-king-editions-vip/ " The Taken King doesn’t have to do much to have a better reception than The Dark Below, but in announcing its availability and pricing, Bungie has already made a step in the wrong direction.
Fortunately, the ship could be easily righted, if Bungie proves that they do indeed listen to their community and understand their needs. Looking ahead to growing the playerbase is fine, but right now, Destiny’s current community needs to be supported by Destiny"The above could be a problem, because Destiny players aren't supposed to be critical of Bungie (according to this board) Anyways, $80, for what is a slightly buffed up DLC (or an extra $40 for the stuff) I don't like how the road ahead looks. Like the PlanetDestiny article says, it sure does look like a " cynical money grab" How else should one see it? A reward? A thank you? Yup, can't disagree there. Brand new players get bonus stuff while the people who've been there since day 1 don't? Doesn't make sense at all. Granted it's only shaders and probably a new dance move (aka: whoopdee Foxtroting doo!), and the day 1 people get some other extra stuff anyway (shader, emblem, sparrow), but still. Day 1 players should get all of everything just for buying The Taken King normal edition or whatever for $40 and not have to mess with the $80 collector's edition nonsense to get all the extras. The uproar on reddit about this whole deal is crazy, and I'd be shocked if this isn't changed by the time Taken King releases. As far as not being critical of Bungie, I'm pretty sure that's not what anyone ever said, and if that's the message you took from it then you missed the point. There's a difference between actual criticism (i.e. the post I've quoted) and "Fvck Bungie" style bashing (i.e. the post people called you on). I think everyone here understands there are problems with the game, Bungie, whatever, and that some criticism is prefectly fair and completely warranted. Anyway, enough about that. How's your redecorating/new floor/new furniture/new stuff project coming along? THebb and I are getting bored playing by ourselves all the time. We actually resorted to accepting a random tower Nightfall invite yesterday and got stuck with some creepball who kept saying "blowjobs!" every couple minutes for no reason. Note to self: do not accept random tower invites again. The problem is with the extra money being asked is most people will just say 'Foxtrot it' and get it. I know I will. You go to get the Taken DLC and one does this (at least me). Here's my thought process: " pay $40, or pay $80 and get more shit? Aw Foxtrot it, just get it all" That's my thought process. I'm a sucker for that stuff. It's not like I'm actually handing over cash either, it's a debit card transaction that i'll never even see as I never look at my checking account. Bungie knows the above, and that's why they are doing it that way. Someone who has the hours we put into the game, will just do the above. Your mindset will have a hard time NOT doing it. Interesting from a marketing standpoint though. I wish my businesses could have their people become addicted to what I sell. Maybe i need to switch careers, sell meth or something. Oh well. I feel it's wrong. At least do a CoD scam there, that would be better. Where they charge like $1.50 per item or cammo piece. Rip me off that way, it feels less wrong. Anyways, whatever. Weird how this subculture on destiny has developed with the blowjob stuff. I have seen this a few times at the Tower by strangers. People need to get outside. Reminds me of that old game a while back, Second Life, or something like that. I tried it a few hours, but lots and lots and lots of that shit going on in it.
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Post by beavenge on Jun 18, 2015 10:21:11 GMT -5
"...Destiny players aren't supposed to be critical of Bungie (according to this board)" that's what I was referring to. My quote skills are lacking. I agree with the article. I don't like the fact that DLC is being advertised and priced like it's a full game. CoD microtransactions do sound better- hopefully they open that up for the sweet new dance moves/shaders, because I don't think DLC should even cost $40. Unless of course it is overflowing with Rich Cinematic Storytelling and a compelling campaign, which is what Destiny is known for, right? Right? on the most recent Guardian Radio podcast, one of the hosts said something like "since the DLC costs so much it must be full of cutscenes and a good campaign!" I literally facepalmed while driving a tractor. Not saying it's not possible, I just feel that if I go in with lower expectations I won't be disappointed.
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Post by markopolo on Jun 18, 2015 10:27:56 GMT -5
[100%_balljockeying_free] While I am miffed that there are extra goodies given to the Kinderguardians that us OGeez won't get... how much of this is Bungie, and how much is Activision? Because while Bungie packages the goods to give to Activision, isn't it Activision to blame too because they're the one's packaging up the deals? Bungie should and will shoulder some of the playerbase's wraith... but how much of this is Activison saying, "we need to get more people playing this game" It reminds me of the videos iw5000 was posting about the Spanish interviewer with that tootless guy and the crazy laugh... You should make a new one about this and how it's screwing people over "activision comes to Mr. DeeJ and says we need fresh blood" or something like that. In the end, I'm still hopeful that we will get more than what was advertised at E3... a new planet or 2... so I'm hopefull [/100%_balljockeying_free]
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Post by wings on Jun 18, 2015 10:29:16 GMT -5
You think $40 will be a lot for this DLC? Wait until they charge £40 in the UK. I could buy a brand new game for that.
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Post by markopolo on Jun 18, 2015 10:47:56 GMT -5
So instead of having 3 crumpets at tea time, you can only have 2...
See if there's a return policy on that set of 50 commemorative plates of Princess Charlotte.
Or sell 'em on ebay.uk.
You have until august... reducing the crumpet intake by one from now until August 15 should save you more than 40 pounds...
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Post by mannon on Jun 18, 2015 10:48:56 GMT -5
Technically it's both Bungie and Activision, but while I have literally no expectations that Activision will even remotely try to support consumers in any way other than attempting to scam as much of their money as possible for every drop of "content" I do actually expect a bit more from Bungie, which should know a lot more about their relationship with their customers. I really don't mind there being extra goodies packed into the collector's edition. But there should be a version of it discounted for current players. There should always always be a way for your current customers to get all the new goodies without getting more or less ripped off and having to rebuy content they already paid for to get it.
Frankly I'd just as soon do away with all the extras, and all the exclusives, and hell maybe even just scrap the DLC model and go to subscription... I hate subscriptions, but the games publishers play with us are just annoying. Make it possible for your customers to get everything for a fair price without repurchasing content... Just because it's an online game and thus pretty hard to warez isn't an excuse. Make your customers feel like they're getting value for their money. That's how you get them on your side and referring new players to the game.
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Post by iw5000 on Jun 18, 2015 10:53:17 GMT -5
"...Destiny players aren't supposed to be critical of Bungie (according to this board)" that's what I was referring to. My quote skills are lacking. I agree with the article. I don't like the fact that DLC is being advertised and priced like it's a full game. CoD microtransactions do sound better- hopefully they open that up for the sweet new dance moves/shaders, because I don't think DLC should even cost $40. Unless of course it is overflowing with Rich Cinematic Storytelling and a compelling campaign, which is what Destiny is known for, right? Right? on the most recent Guardian Radio podcast, one of the hosts said something like "since the DLC costs so much it must be full of cutscenes and a good campaign!" I literally facepalmed while driving a tractor. Not saying it's not possible, I just feel that if I go in with lower expectations I won't be disappointed. Wasn't trolling with your quote either. CoD micro transactions just felt really weird when you got them. Paying $1.50 for a digital cammo just feels weird. But at least one had the choice I suppose, and at a relatively trivial cost. I did buy some of them. On a debate/discussion level (as anything above it is silly), I don't know how it would feel to pay say $1 for a new dance animation. Rip off? No big deal? Who knows. That might be a better way of handing it though. I do think people who have put in the time ...it certainly wouldn't hurt to toss them a bone once in a while as a reward, rather than making them pay more.
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Post by iw5000 on Jun 18, 2015 11:03:27 GMT -5
It reminds me of the videos iw5000 was posting about the Spanish interviewer with that tootless guy and the crazy laugh... You should make a new one about this and how it's screwing people over "activision comes to Mr. DeeJ and says we need fresh blood" or something like that. FYI I didn't make that video out of some anger to get back at Bungie. And made the video because I used to make (and sell) commercial videos and one thing I had never done in life yet, was make a silly Hitler meme video. Call it a bucket list item. So I tried it. I then wanted to see if I could make another one, using the laughing guy, figured I would try that one with the Destiny theme. It's actually harder than it looks. You have to set up a lot of structure in the video, and then script it to sort of hit at real life points. It's tricky. The only way I could see how, was to do so by hitting at those points. it was about mechanics, not anger.
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Post by mannon on Jun 18, 2015 11:04:26 GMT -5
I'd pay a dollar, easy... Not paying $40 to upgrade to collector's edition, though...
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Post by markopolo on Jun 18, 2015 11:17:04 GMT -5
It reminds me of the videos iw5000 was posting about the Spanish interviewer with that tootless guy and the crazy laugh... You should make a new one about this and how it's screwing people over "activision comes to Mr. DeeJ and says we need fresh blood" or something like that. FYI I didn't make that video out of some anger to get back at Bungie. And made the video because I used to make (and sell) commercial videos and one thing I had never done in life yet, was make a silly Hitler meme video. Call it a bucket list item. So I tried it. I then wanted to see if I could make another one, using the laughing guy, figured I would try that one with the Destiny theme. It's actually harder than it looks. You have to set up a lot of structure in the video, and then script it to sort of hit at real life points. It's tricky. The only way I could see how, was to do so by hitting at those points. it was about mechanics, not anger. Oh... nononoon... please don't think I thought you made that video out of anger. I appologize if it came off that way. I thought they were fuggin' hilarious and were fantastic... the Destiny one was good, but the COD:AW was fan-f$$king-tastic. All I was suggesting was that, with what Activision/Bungie is doing, that you should try to make another one, now that they're giving you more ammunition to do so
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Post by markopolo on Jun 18, 2015 11:18:24 GMT -5
I'd pay a dollar, easy... Not paying $40 to upgrade to collector's edition, though... So you want Destiny to do the Microtransaction route? $1.99 gets you a shader, or a dance pack, and a new theme and emblem... all for $9.99? I can just see all the Titans clad in bacon.
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Post by wittyscorpion on Jun 18, 2015 11:39:36 GMT -5
They probably will throw in the cosmetic items as a preorder bonus, especially after seeing the outrage from the community.
At least for me, without a bonus I have zero incentive to preorder; and if not preordering, there is a decent chance that I won't even get it.
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Post by markopolo on Jun 18, 2015 11:45:20 GMT -5
All I can say is that I hope is that the quality of the PSN exclusives this time around, equals the quality that we got the first 2 times around (ie: the Jade Rabbit better be the Hawkmoon of Scout Rifles).
Hey... us PSNers didn't get anything exclusive with HoW... did we?
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Post by wittyscorpion on Jun 18, 2015 11:53:46 GMT -5
All I can say is that I hope is that the quality of the PSN exclusives this time around, equals the quality that we got the first 2 times around (ie: the Jade Rabbit better be the Hawkmoon of Scout Rifles). Hey... us PSNers didn't get anything exclusive with HoW... did we? At least a Crucible map, not sure if anything else. Talking about exclusives: now looking back it is the exclusive weapons that can really make a difference. Exclusive crucible maps and strikes on the other hand can't be in IB (probably Trials as well?) / Nightlfall rotation, making them less important. Also, we are finally getting close to the 1 year mark, so XBL should start getting the exclusive content from 1 year earlier, I hope. Not only XBL players, the PSN players probably would like that to happen as well to have more stuff in the rotation.
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Post by wittyscorpion on Jun 18, 2015 12:09:36 GMT -5
Regarding some other games discussed:
1) Tom Clancy's The Division is NOT an XBL exclusive. It will have a XBL first beta this December, followed by an all platform beta (probably in January). The release date is March 2016.
2) Mass Effect 4 sounds great, but I think that it won't become available until holiday season 2016. Gears of War 4 is also scheduled to release at that time, but there are probably not much interest from bros here;
3) Halo 4 campaign from 343i does feel a bit weird compared to the ones Bungie made. My wife and I went through it 3 times, one at heroic difficulty and 2 at legendary. Half way through the 2nd run we started to like it more. Halo 1 and Master Chief half of the Halo 2 are still far way the best co-op experience we ever had. I can't even count how many times we have played Halo CE campaigns;
4) Halo MCC fiasco
This is a somewhat complicated story. The gist is that the collections are put together by multiple companies under intense time pressure, with all the ingredients of a "perfect storm" classic software project management disaster. Part of the community (me included) strongly believes that Microsoft is the main party to blame: they care much less about the quality of the collection itself and much more about using it to push console sales. They achieved their goal at the expense of screwing the Halo fans, to this day we still don't think that the top management at MS feel sorry about that. From their point of view, it is probably a unfortunate but necessary "strategic move" in the Console War.
From the rest of the community, 343 Industries got the lion share of the lames for the disaster. They are most likely just the scapegoat though, but we will never know.
For bros who are wondering about the current state of the game, I am happy to say that the game is now of "release quality", 7 months after. All major problems are fixed and is well worth the discounted price.
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Post by iw5000 on Jun 18, 2015 12:18:22 GMT -5
Forbes just had an article go online. I like their articles. They tend to be well written. www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2015/06/17/what-looks-awesome-and-awful-about-destinys-the-taken-king/They raise a good point, one I had gotten confused. A typical DLC/add-on is $20 (I got this confused) That's what we paid for the Dark Below and HoW stuff. So I paid $105 to play Destiny for the year. That's on the same level (or slightly less) CoD charges, if you get all four of the map packs. No issues here. But the Taken DLC is going to be more, double the price at $40. We aren't far removed from buying a new game now ($40 vs $60). And as stated with the Taken DLC, if you want the full experience, those who like to have everything, you are paying $80 for this DLC. Let's be real. If you play this game seriously, there is no choice. You spend the $80. You want the 'stuff'. So rather than paying $20 for this Taken DLC, I'm now paying $80 if I play it. Ouch. Here's the thing, is this going to a DLC drop ($20 worthy?) or a new full blown game ($60 worthy?). Well, it's got to be more, as the price is $80. What exactly is "$80-worthy'? From what the Forbes article explained, the Taken DLC seems like it's going to be slightly more than a DLC drop? More than the HoW drop, but not much more? The article shows the pros and cons. What does that make it then? Worth $25? Worth $30? $45? Thinking on this more, I won't get this DLC based on the available information and how HoW has gone. Right now, I don't feel like I even got $5 worth of playing out of the House of Wolves DLC. Not saying I was ripped off there, just that the way HoW is set up, I simply haven't been able to access 90% of the material playing solo lately. And yes, I get it. Shame on me for being a douche and trying to play it solo. It's made for group playing (ToO, PoE32+ etc..) I do get that. But my schedule hasn't been conducive to group playing, and if most all the content is only doable with that...what is the point? And rubbing salt in the wound, I can't even get to try the new Exotic weapons and armor...because Bungie feels it's better for me if I struggle and grind all summer to get those things. This was my prior gripe. I paid $20. I don't want to wait on lady-luck and grinding to get to use DLc exotic stuff maybe in July or August. I want it now. I want to use it. And if I can't use it, plus can't get into the new stuff solo....my $20 was wasted. I'm not saying their MMO procedures are wrong, just saying my current playstyle maybe doesn't fit with it anymore. And for me, money isn't the issue, it's just being able to use the stuff in the game. I want to have fun. Playing with new armor, new guns, ..adds to the fun. Being blocked from getting it, is not fun. It's that simple. And if the new Taken DLC, priced at $80 is going to be like a HoW+, similar to it....I'm going to be struggling to stay in this game. Which bums me out, as this is the only video game I am playing now. * The Forbes article raises another good point. If you are an Xbox person, you are getting doubly screwed, as we are having to sit out on more new content. CoD's platform bs was bad enough to PS players, but they typically only had to wait a month or two. With Destiny? We have to sit out a whole year. Seems to me, Bungie doesn't want my business anymore.
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Post by wittyscorpion on Jun 18, 2015 12:32:27 GMT -5
If I understand correctly, no year 1 players who purchased both DLCs in their right mind will pay $80 for Taken King. The only plus you get from the extra $40 are just some cosmetic items, right? Sure, the exotic shaders can make you gain XP faster, but that is only useful for the the new subclass. For the rest the benefits are probably marginal. Also, given the constant content shortage problems, I am not even sure I want to speed up my subclass progress that bad.
This is why I don't quite understand the reasoning behind the current pricing. If I were ATVI I'll throw in the new cosmetic items as preorder bonus, that is probably enough to suck in most of the active players into preordering it.
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Post by iw5000 on Jun 18, 2015 12:37:09 GMT -5
If I understand correctly, no year 1 players who purchased both DLCs in their right mind will pay $80 for Taken King. The only plus you get from the extra $40 are just some cosmetic items, right? Sure, the exotic shaders can make you gain XP faster, but that is only useful for the the new subclass. For the rest the benefits are probably marginal. Also, given the constant content shortage problems, I am not even sure I want to speed up my subclass progress that bad. This is why I don't quite understand the reasoning behind the current pricing. If I were ATVI I'll throw in the new cosmetic items as preorder bonus, that is probably enough to suck in most of the active players into preordering it. the article said, "It also contains three exotic class items, three unique armor shaders and three new emotes" I took the exotic class items to be armor. Is it? If so and I was playing the game...I would want that stuff. Especially if first time buyers/players get it for their purchase price. A new player is getting the game at a significant better deal. $60 game, $20-$30 value Taken DLC, two older DLCs ($40 value), plus the above three things ($5? value), and PS players get maybe some other guns, another $5 in value. *Yes, new buyers are getting some of the stuff that is dated, but their deal is significantly better than the loyal customer. New PS player ~ Spends $80 and gets around $140 in value New XB player ~ Spends $80 and gets around $135 in value Loyal customer PS - Spends $80 and gets around $40 in value Loyal customer XB - Spends $80 and gets around $35 in value
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