So I went intro trials with an auto rifle... My arminius D with counterbalance from the gunsmith last week. Save to say, all the auto rifle discussions are greatly axagerated. I completely obliterated many many pulse rifle users on close-mid range. Shotguns are still kind of scary, but by backpaddling and just pumping lead into their bodies I won more fights against shotgun than I lost. Went 3 times to lighthouse in 5 passages... With three different groups (one LFG group). The lower RoF auto rifles might still need some kind of buff, but not too much, because this gun is already a beast!
People seriously need to stop looking at the impact bar. Most if not all destiny weapons have a faster TTK in crucible with a lower impact bar. Sure, it is only usable in short to medium range, but for longer ranges we have snipers. If you got one (or the new trials auto), try it before you dismantle it only based on that impact bar! I dare you! I really hope most players just keep playing with their pulses, because they are really easy to beat with this thing. It is great for agressive plays, as nobody has an optimal close-mid range weapon nowadays. The number of double kills I have gotten within one clip are hilarious.
And remember, I am not a crucible god. I have a KD of around 1.3 (hated the handcannon era). But this week in trials I had a higher KD then that! Aparently I didn't but in this link you can see I didn't get carried (well maybe for some rounds, but that happens to everybody right)
I'll throw a couple thoughts in I guess. First, I'm still sitting on my Arminius order from last week hoping for a roll I'm happier with, so I don't have any experience with it yet. I've heard quite a few good things about it, actually, so I'm looking forward to being able to try it out. It should be the best AR out there due to the TTK and flinch capabilities. Second, I think people that know anything about crucible know not to focus solely on the impact bar (unless it's a shotgun or MG, maybe). I've seen as many, if not more, proponents of the low-impact, high-ROF pulse rifles than I have for Nirwen's or Red Death. A lot of that comes down to play style though. Grasp of Malok, Hawksaw, and Juju are all considered top-tier selections that pair perfectly with a sniper rifle, as they're good in mid-range and are great for flinching opponents off target. High impact pulses are better at long range and pair well with shotguns or sidearms for when things get too close for comfort, but they can get outshot in midrange pretty easily, where missing a bullet or two means and extra burst is needed, which is generally a death sentence against high ROF weapons.
All in all, it's really about what works best for you, your playstyle, and your abilities. Nirwen's/Red Death are great if you can consistently 2 burst or 3 burst with them. If you can't, you're probably better off going in a different direction. I typically run Bad Juju only because I find it easy to use due to the higher ROF and full auto, and not needing to reload after a kill is great too. I can see Arminius working really well in that same role, putting lots of bullets on target and still being ready to go if another opponent comes into the picture.
Third, the "competition" in that video is utter garbage. I wish I could play against those guys! How many times did he get sandwiched between two opponents, only for them to ignore him and shoot each other instead allowing him to clean up easily? How many times did he shoot people from the side without them reacting at all? And the one time, he jumped behind a guy, melee'd them, than shot them in the back without them ever even turning around. Seems pretty suspect, to be honest. With all the talking he did about people rage quitting, I'd say it's probably just as likely that he had a shit connection and was lagging all over the place, which is why there are so many instances of opponents almost willfully ignoring him. Kind of beside the point, I guess, but it stood out to me.
Post by wittyscorpion on Nov 2, 2015 11:07:47 GMT -5
Any bros who bother to read this thread probably already know the archetype story and the meaninglessness of the numerical value of impact and RoF (other than indicating which archetype it belongs to), hopefully.
hebbnh, make sure you go for a roll with counterbalance! It makes this weapon go from just usable to S-tier. It still has quite a lot of recoil with counterbalance, but after a game or 5 that seems to be non-existent because you will automatically correct for it. Strait up recoil is simply great.
Second, I was not showing that video to state that he was doing great or something, it was just some footage I found of the gun to show how fast he was able to kill guys even at mid range. Just to compare with your own knowledge of how fast your favorite weapon kills on that range. And how easy it is to control the recoil. Fingers crossed for wednesday rolls! I am still thinking about trying high caliber rounds next time. but small bore is probably too good to pass up.
(I actually only picked up one package, had no glimmer left to buy it on other character and no time to grind... And only just this weekend I realised that I had 400+ shards in vault to convert... Feel very stupid, but my roll is good enough I guess)
What do you guys think of the trials auto? Has anybody gotten it? It is basically a gun which can have both persistence and counterbalance, but has a little less aim assist and magazine size (still good enough though)
Yeah, I'm holding out for Hot Swap/Army of One, Counterbalance/Persistence, and Braced Frame/Smallbore. Seems like Crucible Playbook is pretty split on whether CB or Persistence is better, I figure you can't really go wrong either way as long as you have Braced Frame to bump the stability up as much as possible, or Smallbore to up stability and range. Fingers crossed for Wednesday here too!
Yeah I know, I actually created that whole thread for information to figure out which I should pick... So great allot of people made video's that fast! As I could only pick up the weapon on friday, the day I was going to do trials, I needed some info. Great that you read it though
After doing some testing on friday (with and without counterbalance unlocked) I can say with certainty counterbalance is the way to go. Even though the recoil was lower on the braced frame one, it doesn't matter. Just pull the right stick down. After 5 games you are very used to it, it was like there was not even any recoil (I am quite used to correcting vertical recoil though, as an MW3 G36 lover). The recoil is pretty much up without counterbalance as well, but sometimes you end up missing your target because of the lateral recoil.
There are some pretty nice Armsday rolls available today. The highlights:
Suros PDX-45 roll #2 comes with fitted stock/casket mag, counterbalance, and snapshot/injection mold. If the vendor Hawksaw is a laser, this will be even more of a laser. This is a must-buy IMO -- not quite a god roll, but the best pulse that's ever been this easily available as far as I can recall. Luckily I bought this package on all 3 characters so I can pick this one up for now and hang on to the other packages until a true god roll does drop.
Lyudmila-D roll #2 comes with glass half full, counterbalance, and hand-laid stock. This roll gives the highest stability possible on this weapon. Glass half full is more or less a wasted perk though, so again, not quite a god roll, just very good. I'm going to buy it, and save the 2nd package I have until one drops with headseeker or army of one instead of glass half full.
Arminius-D roll #3 has hot swap, counterbalance, and rifled barrel. Braced frame or smallbore would arguably be better in the last slot, but I've been waiting too long to pass this up. As long as you can compensate for the large upward recoil (pulling the stick down isn't hard, so that shouldn't be an issue), this should be a great AR. qupie, you should love this one, no?
Gaheris-D roll #3 is army of one, outlaw, and reinforced barrel. Probably not many people holding on to this one since hand cannons just aren't very good right now, but this setup should be nice for PvP if/when hand cannons get buffed back up. I already have an Uffern from a couple weeks back with the same roll except third eye instead of army of one, and it seems like it handles pretty nicely. In any case, there's not really a much better roll available for PvP, so I'd recommend picking this up if you've been holding on to it.
My existing PDX-45 has hammer-forged, counterbalance and injection mold. Not sure that makes it God-Like but it's awesome. I'll be interested to see what swapping Hammer Forged for Fitted Stock will do.
Can confirm that roll #2 on the PDX is fantastic. I'm running it with fitted stock, counterbalance, and snapshot. Injection mold might make it slightly more stable, but I don't want to take the range hit and it's plenty stable without it. Speaking of PDXs, THebb apparently has been sitting on a fitted stock, full auto, and smallbore roll (aka the god roll of god rolls) for over a month and hasn't even used it. I am jealous, to say the least.