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Post by lackingdamage on Nov 6, 2015 8:14:28 GMT -5
After downloading the launch day patch decided to play against some bots with shotguns noticed right off the bat. Shotguns have reasonable spreads yes even the KRM has changed from being 870 little red head brother.
Played one or two rounds with all shotguns noticed that spread was reasonable for every stance. Bloom increase when running was something say 10% more. Good news!
More good news they have no idle sway!
I can't say much about the range or damage due to lacking the numbers just say that Treyarch has given and taken away. Could be wrong just down to my bad aim.
205 Brecci and Argus are interesting opposites of Haymaker/KRM.
LMG side of things Gorgon/48 Dredge are interesting weapons, Dingo now holds 80 rounds.
Not sure going to see Shotguns or LMGs in E sports but could see people use them. Doubt it but could do.... Terrible news shotguns may be useful now with these spread changes D:
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Post by LeGitBeeSting on Nov 6, 2015 8:29:10 GMT -5
The Argus not being able to use Kimbo is a war crime.
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Post by xFEARtheSHIELDx on Nov 6, 2015 8:38:45 GMT -5
Dingo now holds 80 rounds. Well this is awesome! I've never understood 3arcs thing for LMG's with tiny mags. Wasn't it 60 in the beta?
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Post by LeGitBeeSting on Nov 6, 2015 8:39:19 GMT -5
Yar.
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Post by wings on Nov 6, 2015 9:08:07 GMT -5
Dingo now holds 80 rounds. Well this is awesome! I've never understood 3arcs thing for LMG's with tiny mags. Wasn't it 60 in the beta? I wouldn't mind small clip LMGs if they had a better trade-off against ARs based on recoil, damage, range and all that stuff. But when you have ARs that have decent 3HK ranges and good recoil, it's a bit silly. Unless I've missed something?
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Post by banana on Nov 6, 2015 10:03:57 GMT -5
Terrific*?
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Post by dunsparceflinch on Nov 6, 2015 10:13:50 GMT -5
I tried the KRM and the Brecci so far. Don't have long barrel for either yet.
KRM: It's ok. The tighter spread helps a little with both making laser sight less mandatory and making hipfire more consistent. Only problem I've had with hipfiring is that the aim assist is very strong, enough so that it can actually throw me off.
Brecci: Absolutely useless. It's a 2-4HK (never a 1 shot kill) with a SLOW fire rate, high recoil, and atrocious consistency. Have often had close range gunfights that I lost because I get killed before I can fire off the second shot.
Great to hear that they buffed the ammo on Dingo. It had too long a reload to justify a mere 60 round mag.
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Post by LeGitBeeSting on Nov 6, 2015 10:17:29 GMT -5
Brecci: Absolutely useless. It's a 2-4HK (never a 1 shot kill) with a SLOW fire rate, high recoil, and atrocious consistency. Have often had close range gunfights that Iost because I get killed before I can fire off the second shot.
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Post by wittyscorpion on Nov 6, 2015 11:31:11 GMT -5
I am glad we now have a dedicated shotty thread. Time to keep all the shotty related discussions, tips and tricks, and most importantly, complaints, all in one place
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Post by Disgruntled Jigglypuff on Nov 6, 2015 13:32:47 GMT -5
Shotguns stats: -They all suck
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Post by LeGitBeeSting on Nov 6, 2015 13:42:28 GMT -5
Shotguns stats: -They all suck You just copy pasted those stats from the other call of dootys.
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Post by -3055- on Nov 6, 2015 13:43:44 GMT -5
100 headshots with haymaker and 40 with brecci get good and get pain meds
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Post by dunsparceflinch on Nov 6, 2015 13:49:48 GMT -5
100 headshots with haymaker and 40 with brecci get good and get pain meds Well they can't do 1 shot kills like in BO2 when half the shotguns can't even do that. I will say one good thing about the Brecci: There has literally only been 1 instance that it took more than 3 shots to kill and the 2HK range and 3HK range are decent. So basically they got the minimum damage and range right. They just gave it too low a close range damage and too much recoil.
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Post by -3055- on Nov 6, 2015 13:55:58 GMT -5
there's always HC. which is what i did in BO2 for S12/M1216
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Post by ChloeB42 (Alexcalibur42) on Nov 6, 2015 14:05:06 GMT -5
Shotguns suck. KRM is like if the 870 had good spread and about half the damage. Hitmarkers at damn near point blank range. LMGs are decent,snipers are decent, of course ARs and SMGs are king
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Post by LeGitBeeSting on Nov 6, 2015 15:33:21 GMT -5
The YT heros have won.
BLOPS 3 took away shotgun one shots. Kill me....
Edito:Inb4 shotguns get nerfed because of touchfootball. double kill me.
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Post by lackingdamage on Nov 6, 2015 15:48:43 GMT -5
KRM - OHK range low very low, good spread even when jumping or without laser. 870 with better spread but lower damage/range. Argus - Longer OHK range compared to KRM but not by much. However pretty much 2 hit kill within range.
Key problem is slow rof mixed with damage/range. Could be me not closing the gap but finding it hard to kill bots on easy with shotguns on most maps without letting them come to me. Argus is not bad, better compared to KRM which is just worse. Argus also has better reload time with 10 rounds and refills whole 10 rounds not just one.
Brecci - OHK range lolz but 2-3 hit kill is common and not bad. Problem is ADS you got loads of recoil for slow ROF. Haymaker - Pretty much the same as the beta and okay.
Overall I would say we have 3 okay shotguns nothing special but very niche weapons. Does not feel like you need to use anything on them to make them better. So spread good, attachments free choice good, range and damage bad, rof on pumps bad. Feels like the MW3 shotguns apart from the KRM which feels like 870 red head step child cousin who is ill.
Argus beats KRM Haymaker beats Brecci
Edit Reviewing my gameplay against bots looks like I did not get a single one hit kill apart from super up close.
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Post by LeGitBeeSting on Nov 7, 2015 0:06:13 GMT -5
Alright. The Haymaker is amazo even with no attachments. Only good shotgun.
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Post by Disgruntled Jigglypuff on Nov 7, 2015 3:16:00 GMT -5
So far, I'm having a lot of success with the suppressed extended mag rapid fire brecci. I was able to get a 91 kill game with that set up on ground war safe guard.
The krm and the haymaker generate nothing but hitmarkers and me dying.
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Post by LeGitBeeSting on Nov 7, 2015 10:04:04 GMT -5
Alright. I have a theory about the discount 1887.
I think it's a 8/8 pellet kill. Center mass hipfire with it is ineffective outside of barrel stuff range however it gets insane ADS snipes due to it's ~0 spread.
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Post by banana on Nov 7, 2015 16:31:55 GMT -5
Yeah the Argus has 0 ads spread
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Post by UrbaneVirtuoso on Nov 7, 2015 16:38:54 GMT -5
0? No wonder the Argus is surprisingly decent for a 3arc shotgun. Can't wait to unlock it during progression.
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Post by lackingdamage on Nov 7, 2015 16:46:32 GMT -5
Argus feels like it has right spread when ADS could be any number just very very tight. Still can't use the thing finding the game rather rough all around. Decided to use the KRM after getting silly amount of hitmarkers not worth using.
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Post by banana on Nov 7, 2015 16:53:54 GMT -5
0? No wonder the Argus is surprisingly decent for a 3arc shotgun. Can't wait to unlock it during progression. Just go into a private match which is called custom games in bo3.
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Post by -3055- on Nov 7, 2015 17:53:59 GMT -5
argus is best shotgun
argus >>> haymaker > KRM > brecci
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Post by -3055- on Nov 7, 2015 20:57:37 GMT -5
Just got diamond shotguns
and they look like shit. Except argus, the argus has a special secondary design when using diamond and it looks great
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Post by LeGitBeeSting on Nov 7, 2015 22:17:39 GMT -5
How's the gold though?
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Post by -3055- on Nov 7, 2015 23:24:21 GMT -5
average. almost identical to BO2 gold
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Post by Usagi on Nov 8, 2015 3:11:13 GMT -5
I really liked BO2 gold so that's good.
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Post by lackingdamage on Nov 8, 2015 5:00:23 GMT -5
Just got diamond shotguns and they look like shit. Except argus, the argus has a special secondary design when using diamond and it looks great Headshot challenges?
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