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Post by -3055- on Nov 12, 2015 14:58:52 GMT -5
This thread is as good as any for guessing 3arc's nerf targets From Vahn: Sounds like Gorgon is getting a slight nerf if any, M8A7 on the other hand... (translate: DO NOT burn your prestige unlock tokens on weapons) Terrible method of balancing. Burst fire guns should have higher k/d because they are for better players. Historically id agree. But the m8 has a burst delay of like 0.1s. All of the bursts in this game have really short burst delays, and each burst doesnt require manual trigger. Meaning they're functionally fullauto. The bursts in this game are much safer and much more stable than in previous games, but maintains the same ttk as riskier bursts, making them clear winners in their respective class. I mean, the two strongest guns in my experience were dredge and xr Also, sheiva is trash. But with high cal attachment it can osk to the head. For a semi auto though, drakon is good. Infinite range, no suppressor penalty, fast RoF, no recoil, able to use ELO. (less obstructive RDS) MR6 semi pistol is okay. No recoil and incredibly high firerate cap.
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Post by sixone on Nov 12, 2015 15:23:22 GMT -5
Terrible method of balancing. Burst fire guns should have higher k/d because they are for better players. Also, sheiva is trash. But with high cal attachment it can osk to the head. For a semi auto though, drakon is good. Infinite range, no suppressor penalty, fast RoF, no recoil, able to use ELO. (less obstructive RDS) MR6 semi pistol is okay. No recoil and incredibly high firerate cap. I'm ranking up the Sheiva just in case it gets a buff, but I gotta agree. Drakon has it's drawbacks but a consistent 2HK and head shot multiplier trumps them. MR6 is irrelevant after I unlocked L-CAR 9. Seems to have the same damage profile but a lower RoF & the inability to just hold down the trigger. Really needs a 2HK range to matter.
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Post by Disgruntled Jigglypuff on Nov 12, 2015 16:33:50 GMT -5
This thread is as good as any for guessing 3arc's nerf targets From Vahn: Sounds like Gorgon is getting a slight nerf if any, M8A7 on the other hand... (translate: DO NOT burn your prestige unlock tokens on weapons) How about he shows us the average kdr and kpm for the brecci, haymaker, and krm? Let's see him justify not buffing those weapons.
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Post by Marvel4 on Nov 12, 2015 16:53:25 GMT -5
It's not the shitty movespeed that makes the stock bad, it's the nonexistent bonus while firing that makes it godawful. Nope, you still move faster either way.
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Post by orvy on Nov 12, 2015 17:12:29 GMT -5
Dj needs to buff the brecci, krm, and sheiva nerfs are lame What the actual fuck. Ffs. Yeah nerf the nerfed m8a1 frop blops 2. Are you fuckin joking me? The xr2 one bursts kids out to 50 fuckin meters at 720rpm in burst. But the m8a1 3btk 10 meters/4btk 50 meters is op? It may be equal bursting but hittin 4 shots at medium range at almost 1000 rpm is hard as fuck tbfh. Fuck vahnderderp. Fuckin idiot dude. Every single community manager has no fuckin clue what they're doing; they just take the fuckin dick fom every single group of more than 50 people who say "x needs to happen" that's all it fuckin takes. We could take the den kirson community to cod forums/reddit and rape kids with stats on what actually needs to happen i.e. buffs across the board to shotties+razorback hvk... etc the rest. When you nerf guns there's always second best to move to, until you ruin everything to the point of un-usability. Now there's 2 usable LMG'S in a game and they need to be nerfed bc kids arent used to dying to lmgs, they're used to getting free kills from them and dying to ars so the gun MUST be op. It fires 5 bullets per second give or take. TTK is thus lower than anything with a 3-4 btk range at more than 600 rpm. It's fucking ludicrous. And it has recoil compared to the fucking xr2, pharo, kuda, MOW, etc. Absolutely fuckin dumb man. I'm making a medium length factual rant to tweet at vahnderderp sometime soon about cod as a whole, pre-order culture, lack of keeping promises (hey guys we're making mod tools *two months before release* ya forsure you'll get them after release *4 months later* TOTAL. FUCKING. RADIO. SILENCE.) We have a very small list and they KNOW if they straight up told the truth they'd lose sales so instead they make vague comments and outright lie depending on who's year it is. I'm so fuckin mad i dont even know why but it's just the most ludicrous shit i've ever seen a company do. EVERY. FUCKING. YEAR. And the fucking casual community is cancer. Fuck me. And fuck you vahn/driftor/tmartn, *insert shit youtuber killing the game and scamming people for profit here.* fuckin shills and cancer.
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Post by Slick on Nov 12, 2015 17:19:09 GMT -5
With such flawless logic for weapons, it's a miracle late unlock perks don't get nerfed either. The only reason they don't is because you cannot accurately measure how perks contribute to kills in the same way a gun can. Of course the Gorgon and the M8 have higher KDs above the "baseline", the friggin game has only been out since Friday and most people (including me) do not even have access to these guns. The stats will be biased in favor of being higher, because better players level faster and will get access to these weapons and are more proficient in using them. Silly Vonderdurr. Let's wait a month before going nuts.
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Post by wittyscorpion on Nov 12, 2015 18:28:01 GMT -5
To be clear: Vahn did say that now is too early to consider weapon rebalancing. So hold off your "wall of rants" until they actually do such a patch I am merely reminding all bros to not get too attached to any particular weapon (to the point of using a prestige unlock token), yet.
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Post by Will on Nov 12, 2015 19:16:14 GMT -5
We could take the den kirson community to cod forums
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Post by -3055- on Nov 12, 2015 23:54:33 GMT -5
It's not the shitty movespeed that makes the stock bad, it's the nonexistent bonus while firing that makes it godawful. Nope, you still move faster either way. But it's still slow enough to not even consider the stock a viable option
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Post by orvy on Nov 13, 2015 1:26:08 GMT -5
We could take the den kirson community to cod forums I dont Foxtrot around man. Foxtrot vahnderderp and Foxtrot reddit too. I'm so booty tickled im thinking about making a few hundred twitter accounts just to complain about something and get it rebalanced as Foxtrot into total oblivion. Reddit accounts. Youtube accounts to shit post on drift-i-like-the-wein-or 's (how forced was that.Foxtrot you.) Vids till he makes a vid telling his fanbase about it. I can see it now " guys listen this is probably gonna get patched but right now if you run the po-6 with a blackcell and 2x combat axe plus 2x smoke with the perks "overclock, ante-up, and engineer you're actually invincible and can level up SUPER DE DUPER FAST SANIC SPEED now listen up here's how it works, shooting score streaks down gives you A LOT of points so the blackcell is there to do that, next we run the po-6 now it's a little hard to use with the charge up time but you'll be rewarded with insta-kills every time you hit something, plus the ability to snipe smaller scorestreaks like uavs out of the sky. Once the scorestreaks are gone you'll be free to snipe normally but all the points from ante-up which is an amazing perk btw guys plus the points you earned you'll have your score streaks so what you're gonna wanna do is double 720 no-fakie fakie ladder double spinny supee stall double throw them and get 7 kills by hitting 2 claymores, once you do that now it's time to throw the smoke down and pop your score streaks, rinse repeat forever until you'rr max prestige with infinite w/l ratio! Engineer is there because i couldn't find anything more useful to put there, most of perk 3 is kind of a waste of a point so it might be better to just forego it entirely and take an extra attachment." Yes. That's exactly what it would be. I am the dark knight. Edit: im being a little harsh but still big youtubers are cancer sorry not sorry.
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Post by iw5000 on Nov 13, 2015 9:42:46 GMT -5
huh wut? So if I read between the lines, you mean that the movement modifier of stock changes whether you pull the trigger or not? Or does something completely different happen when shooting and strafing with stock? Does it add some kind of hipfire spread or something? You are being really cryptic up there. Tl;Dr: Could you elaborate a little bit A weapon with stock attached loses the benefits of the stock while firing. Now I understand. THANK YOU. I have noticed this recently and had no clue what was going on. This might explain why I am whiffing my shots in some engagements. I am moving ADS with Stock, trying to strafe fire, and suddenly I feel like 'stuck' to the ground.....missing my timing, and then shot. This is terrible.
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Post by GodMars on Nov 13, 2015 9:51:10 GMT -5
Stock/Stalker has been my crutch in CoD for four years now, and in BO3 I'm struggling without it. It was a game changer for me when I started using it, and now I feel my performance is totally average without it. Maybe below average. Very frustrating.
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Post by iw5000 on Nov 13, 2015 9:53:58 GMT -5
Stock/Stalker has been my crutch in CoD for four years now, and in BO3 I'm struggling without it. It was a game changer for me when I started using it, and now I feel my performance is totally average without it. Maybe below average. Very frustrating. yeah, I just posted above you, and I am in your shoes too. I have ALWAYS used this religiously. And as I mentioned above, I have had countless deaths where it felt like lag, timing, something . . . .was just 'off'. I start to shoot and strafe, and suddenly get like stuck. I thought it might be lag? Something? Now, reading this thread, I get it. I'm timing my shots, ASSUMING I'm going to keep moving the same strafe speed, the game is locking me down, as soon as I shoot.
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Post by LeGitBeeSting on Nov 13, 2015 9:56:16 GMT -5
Just use SMGs/Haymaker you raifu waifu.
Or git situational awareness so you don't have to ADS strafe around every corner. Also part of what made stock so mandatory before was that everyone else ran it so if you didn't run it it was tough crab apples. Not so much anymore.
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Post by GodMars on Nov 13, 2015 10:50:00 GMT -5
Just use SMGs/Haymaker you raifu waifu. Or git situational awareness so you don't have to ADS strafe around every corner. Also part of what made stock so mandatory before was that everyone else ran it so if you didn't run it it was tough crab apples. Not so much anymore. It's the strafing while shooting which is the big loss. With ARs (which I am working toward Diamond Camo with) you can't keep up with SMGs, can't out maneuver LMGs, and can't make other AR users look slow without Stock/Stalker.
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Post by iw5000 on Nov 13, 2015 11:10:56 GMT -5
I have died a ton where my strafing goes haywire. What I found out today in this thread, with stock, is a godsend.
I just have to find a way to adjust now.
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Post by GodMars on Nov 13, 2015 11:32:16 GMT -5
I have died a ton where my strafing goes haywire. What I found out today in this thread, with stock, is a godsend. I just have to find a way to adjust now. Two things I am experiencing which may or may not have anything to do with the lack of Stock/Stalker: 1. at least a few times a game I find myself just shooting to the left or right of someone without hitting them, and 2. I find I am sweeping my gun left and right over my target a lot instead of staying relatively dead on. Both are getting me killed way too much for my liking. Mega thinks it may be due to aim assist/latency issues, but I am left to wonder.
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Post by iw5000 on Nov 13, 2015 11:48:13 GMT -5
I have died a ton where my strafing goes haywire. What I found out today in this thread, with stock, is a godsend. I just have to find a way to adjust now. Two things I am experiencing which may or may not have anything to do with the lack of Stock/Stalker: 1. at least a few times a game I find myself just shooting to the left or right of someone without hitting them, and 2. I find I am sweeping my gun left and right over my target a lot instead of staying relatively dead on. Both are getting me killed way too much for my liking. Mega thinks it may be due to aim assist/latency issues, but I am left to wonder. Yep, same here. In fact, what's ironic here is that I have already recorded a 'death montage' on my XB1, where I have accumulated like twenty short clips over the past three days. Dying in almost the same manner as you described. I start shooting, and am 'off'. I get like stickied down, frozen in place. I try to adjust strafing. I go a bit to far. Miss. I die. I have probably tweaking my sensitivity like ten times so far, thinking I need more response from the game. But then when I do, I start over-shooting to far. Get hit markers, but die. Back and forth it goes. This isn't a game breaker for me, but it's something I am needing to fix. I'm guessing it's my instincts to strafe a lot. And use of Stock, like you said. Or lag. I don't know, but it is frustrating.
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Post by orvy on Nov 13, 2015 13:23:08 GMT -5
Two things I am experiencing which may or may not have anything to do with the lack of Stock/Stalker: 1. at least a few times a game I find myself just shooting to the left or right of someone without hitting them, and 2. I find I am sweeping my gun left and right over my target a lot instead of staying relatively dead on. Both are getting me killed way too much for my liking. Mega thinks it may be due to aim assist/latency issues, but I am left to wonder. Yep, same here. In fact, what's ironic here is that I have already recorded a 'death montage' on my XB1, where I have accumulated like twenty short clips over the past three days. Dying in almost the same manner as you described. I start shooting, and am 'off'. I get like stickied down, frozen in place. I try to adjust strafing. I go a bit to far. Miss. I die. I have probably tweaking my sensitivity like ten times so far, thinking I need more response from the game. But then when I do, I start over-shooting to far. Get hit markers, but die. Back and forth it goes. This isn't a game breaker for me, but it's something I am needing to fix. I'm guessing it's my instincts to strafe a lot. And use of Stock, like you said. Or lag. I don't know, but it is frustrating. I've been feeling the same deal as far as the aiming thing to me it feels like aim assist either only triggers when you first aim in and then stops, or drops off significantly after the first "aim-in." I've found better success using the centering technique people are always so on about (talking about basically how you aim when quickscoping, crosshairs around target then ads and fire.) I know centering can also mean pre-aiming and the lot i.e. aiming where you think they're coming, spawn trapping, but i feel all those things need to be differentiated so i use different already established words for them. Point being, with all the latter things included, good centering and thus using aim assist "skill-fully" in this game to me means re-evaluating the way I do all those things; still pre-aiming with crosshairs but not actually adsing, not walking around corners already adsing, etc. To come full circle all of that being said makes me firmly believe stock is kinda pointless as it gimps your ability to have the same aim benefit as everyone else, in exchange for the ability to move faster while just moving or trying to aim via movement, only to change back to slow movement and fuck you up again once you start firing, AND you've lost your aim assist benefit plus your attachment benefit
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Post by illram on Nov 13, 2015 13:30:20 GMT -5
I could see it helping shotguns that require ADS for consistent OSK.
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Post by GodMars on Nov 13, 2015 16:03:25 GMT -5
Two things I am experiencing which may or may not have anything to do with the lack of Stock/Stalker: 1. at least a few times a game I find myself just shooting to the left or right of someone without hitting them, and 2. I find I am sweeping my gun left and right over my target a lot instead of staying relatively dead on. Both are getting me killed way too much for my liking. Mega thinks it may be due to aim assist/latency issues, but I am left to wonder. Yep, same here. In fact, what's ironic here is that I have already recorded a 'death montage' on my XB1, where I have accumulated like twenty short clips over the past three days. Dying in almost the same manner as you described. I start shooting, and am 'off'. I get like stickied down, frozen in place. I try to adjust strafing. I go a bit to far. Miss. I die. I have probably tweaking my sensitivity like ten times so far, thinking I need more response from the game. But then when I do, I start over-shooting to far. Get hit markers, but die. Back and forth it goes. This isn't a game breaker for me, but it's something I am needing to fix. I'm guessing it's my instincts to strafe a lot. And use of Stock, like you said. Or lag. I don't know, but it is frustrating. Decided to try running with an optic today and I found that it's helped me a bit. I try to always use irons when I can, but I feel like it's helping me stay focused and steady on a target.
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Post by Lexapro on Nov 13, 2015 21:11:07 GMT -5
If you're used to playing ARs with a stock/stalker, try running stock on the Kuda. ADS movement feels very smooth and pretty quick, and the Kuda is the most AR-like SMG (haven't tested the buffed Razorback yet). An optic is also very helpful and the optics in BO3 are all generally very good, especially with how the the guns recoil and how much your visions flinches and blurs when you get shot.
Try this setup: Kuda w/BOA (RDS with thinner borders and its polarized!) + Stock + Foregrip. Add long barrel if you can afford the points. Just play it like a shorter range AR, its still pretty accurate out to ~25m and retains its 4HK.
I'll give the Razorback a shot once I unlock it.
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Post by gurske on Nov 14, 2015 13:53:15 GMT -5
No one likes the icr or kn44? Those are my go to guns. They are really good with long barrel, rapid fire, and high caliber. And the sparrow is just nasty. The best thing on any call of duty ever. Have accumalted around 15 predator medals with it and 1 frenzy kill. See a lot of people not using it. I'll take it over any specialist, in any situation.
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Post by volgon on Nov 14, 2015 14:32:59 GMT -5
No one likes the icr or kn44? Those are my go to guns. They are really good with long barrel, rapid fire, and high caliber. And the sparrow is just nasty. The best thing on any call of duty ever. Have accumalted around 15 predator medals with it and 1 frenzy kill. See a lot of people not using it. I'll take it over any specialist, in any situation. ICR is horrible, KN44 is ok if only because of its damage model. There may be one redeeming quality about the ICR, its recoil, but everything else is bad. 600rpm with a 4HK is one of the worst damage models I can think of in COD history. KN-44 isn't much better, 15m 3HK is better than not having it at all but it's still a bit low, the 4HK max damage may as well be irrelevant if you aren't using grip due to its insane horizontal recoil, and 625rpm is, again, terrible.
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Post by illram on Nov 14, 2015 15:12:25 GMT -5
No one likes the icr or kn44? Those are my go to guns. They are really good with long barrel, rapid fire, and high caliber. And the sparrow is just nasty. The best thing on any call of duty ever. Have accumalted around 15 predator medals with it and 1 frenzy kill. See a lot of people not using it. I'll take it over any specialist, in any situation. I tried the ICR and it just seemed really weak. KN-44 is OK but I don't want to have to use grip, if I can avoid it. At long range it is almost unusable without grip. Sparrow is fun, you can really have some of those highlight reel moments with it, it's probably the most satisfying specialist weapon. BUT as far as killing power I still rank them as (1) scythe, just an absolute beast, and tied for second place is war machine and inferno flame thrower. War Machine is great for clearing out an objective from any distance, flame thrower is great for CQC. It's absolutely devastating, I can just walk into a room full of people and boom bye bye everyone. I have not tried gravity spikes, and tempest seems like a less fun sparrow weapon basically. Annihilator also looks potentially fun but it's hard to give up any of the three I mentioned above just because I feel like they are just so much better for killing mass amounts of people at once, which is what I want.
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Post by banana on Nov 14, 2015 17:11:49 GMT -5
No one likes the icr or kn44? Those are my go to guns. They are really good with long barrel, rapid fire, and high caliber. And the sparrow is just nasty. The best thing on any call of duty ever. Have accumalted around 15 predator medals with it and 1 frenzy kill. See a lot of people not using it. I'll take it over any specialist, in any situation. Statistically speaking those guns are trash. Use the MoW and the HVK
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Post by iw5000 on Nov 16, 2015 9:35:01 GMT -5
No one likes the icr or kn44? Those are my go to guns. They are really good with long barrel, rapid fire, and high caliber. And the sparrow is just nasty. The best thing on any call of duty ever. Have accumalted around 15 predator medals with it and 1 frenzy kill. See a lot of people not using it. I'll take it over any specialist, in any situation. I used those two most of my first prestige. Not sure if because they were the best or even good, but mostly because they were available? So I kept using them. Can't say I kicked ass with them, but they both seemed ok. To the above, yes, had to have grip with the KN. Unusable without (at least to me) The ICR is just very smooth and stable,..easy to use. I used those two, plus the Gorgon. Just those three (a little with the man o war too, but not much success there) I'm going to focus on the HVK30 on my 2nd prestige. That and the razorback.
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Post by qupie on Nov 16, 2015 11:39:01 GMT -5
I really like the HVK, but you have to hit all rounds in some close combat scenarios otherwise you are screwed. it shines on mid range imho, where several guns have already dropped off. I like to use it combined with the burst pistol for close combat.
It also feels like one of the best options to use a silencer on imho, but I have no single piece of evidence for that.
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Post by GodMars on Nov 16, 2015 11:50:57 GMT -5
ICR was my third gold AR, and I finished it with a 1.51 KD. It's steadiness is its strength, and it shouldn't be undervalued.
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Post by Disgruntled Jigglypuff on Nov 16, 2015 12:13:10 GMT -5
Stop acting like the KN-44 is a bad weapon when we have something as wonderful as the krm in this game.
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