|
Post by GodMars on Nov 20, 2015 11:32:31 GMT -5
I've been using the KN with Laser Sight, Grip and Rapid Fire. Finding success with that. I thimk it marginally helps me a few times a game, dealing with smg'ers who out move, and out RoF me. I spent about a half hour wall testing the KN-44 (my next weapon to gold) both with grip and without; it's useless. Rapid fire is near equally useless on the KN-44.
|
|
|
Post by iw5000 on Nov 20, 2015 11:40:27 GMT -5
I've been using the KN with Laser Sight, Grip and Rapid Fire. Finding success with that. I thimk it marginally helps me a few times a game, dealing with smg'ers who out move, and out RoF me. I spent about a half hour wall testing the KN-44 (my next weapon to gold) both with grip and without; it's useless. Rapid fire is near equally useless on the KN-44. Wow. Why is that? Like the attachments only give a marginal effect? Ballpark the number to me? Surely the rapid fire attachment has to boost the RoF by some effect? Maybe it's the laser sight that is helping me then. Or perhaps, me not going ADS quite as much.
|
|
|
Post by GodMars on Nov 20, 2015 12:12:22 GMT -5
I spent about a half hour wall testing the KN-44 (my next weapon to gold) both with grip and without; it's useless. Rapid fire is near equally useless on the KN-44. Wow. Why is that? Like the attachments only give a marginal effect? Ballpark the number to me? Surely the rapid fire attachment has to boost the RoF by some effect? Maybe it's the laser sight that is helping me then. Or perhaps, me not going ADS quite as much. Grip is 7.5% viewkick reduction. Rapid Fire is 6.3% increase in RPM.
|
|
|
Post by iw5000 on Nov 20, 2015 13:02:28 GMT -5
Wow. Why is that? Like the attachments only give a marginal effect? Ballpark the number to me? Surely the rapid fire attachment has to boost the RoF by some effect? Maybe it's the laser sight that is helping me then. Or perhaps, me not going ADS quite as much. Grip is 7.5% viewkick reduction. Rapid Fire is 6.3% increase in RPM. Ouch.
|
|
|
Post by GodMars on Nov 20, 2015 13:25:00 GMT -5
Grip is 7.5% viewkick reduction. Rapid Fire is 6.3% increase in RPM. Ouch. You can say that again. Rapid fire only really benefits snipers, very high RoF SMGs, the Pharo, and the M8A7.
|
|
Will
True Bro
K/D below 1.0
Posts: 1,309
|
Post by Will on Nov 20, 2015 16:16:17 GMT -5
So far the only universally worthwhile attachments are fast mags and extended mags. Everything else needs to be looked at on a gun-by-gun level, which really sucks without the numbers.
All sights: subjective Extended mags: Always good Fast mags: Always good Grip: bad FMJ: meh High Caliber: meh Laser sight: unknown Long barrel: incredibly OP on all ARs except KN-44, bad everywhere else Quickdraw: seems different per weapon? Rapid Fire: bad Suppressor: absolute worst attachment, never use Stock: seems to have a lessened effect while firing (but still an effect) - feels wonky could take some getting used to
|
|
banana
True Banana
Zoro > Law
Posts: 1,577
|
Post by banana on Nov 20, 2015 19:14:42 GMT -5
Edit the suppressor thing to: Amazing on snipers (doesn't lower damage or range), terrible on everything else besides AR's with Long Barrel
|
|
|
Post by dunsparceflinch on Nov 20, 2015 20:22:24 GMT -5
So far the only universally worthwhile attachments are fast mags and extended mags. Everything else needs to be looked at on a gun-by-gun level, which really sucks without the numbers. All sights: subjective Extended mags: Always good Fast mags: Always good Grip: bad FMJ: meh High Caliber: meh Laser sight: unknown Long barrel: incredibly OP on all ARs except KN-44, bad everywhere else Quickdraw: seems different per weapon? Rapid Fire: bad Suppressor: absolute worst attachment, never use Stock: seems to have a lessened effect while firing (but still an effect) - feels wonky could take some getting used to Here's how I see them: Sights: Good on everything that isn't a non-argus shotgun Mag Upgrades: Good Grip: Okay or Mediocre QuickDraw: Always useful except on the haymaker and Brecci High Caliber: Okay, but very luck based unless you have very good aim Laser Sight: Great Long Barrel: OP on ARs (excluding the KN-44), useless on shotguns except the haymaker, mediocre on everything else Rapid Fire: Great on snipers and the M8, bad on everything else Stock: Good on SMGs and Shotguns, Medicore on everything else Suppressor: Not Great on most weapons, but okay even with the huge penalty considering that most of the UAV detection in this game is from weapon fire (because of how nerfed UAVs are). Great on the haymaker, Brecci, and snipers. Oddly enough I kinda enjoy Suppressor on the KRM and Argus. Yes it drastically reduces ADS 1HK range on the Argus, but hipfire feels the same, the 1HK range isn't atrocious, and 2HKs are not impossible with the Argus (especially when you don't need to ADS your second shot). On the KRM it doesn't seem to affect it's range much.
|
|
banana
True Banana
Zoro > Law
Posts: 1,577
|
Post by banana on Nov 20, 2015 20:31:11 GMT -5
My turn:
Sights: Depends on the gun but mostly kinda pointless Mag upgrades: Good on Vesper, whack on everything else Grip: Mediocre but I still use it Quickdraw; essential High Caliber: Overrated trash Laser sight: Lame except on shotguns maybe Long Barrel: Mediocre but I still use it. The ARs besides the KN don't need it, too bad the KN doesn't get the same boost. According to the newest update's notes, they fixed it on shotguns but idk Rapid Fire: Mediocre but I still use it Stock: Lame-o Suppressor: Amazing on snipers (doesn't lower damage or range); terrible on everything else besides AR's, not named the KN, with Long Barrel
|
|
|
Post by Marvel4 on Nov 20, 2015 20:36:22 GMT -5
Just for your information, Rapid Fire doesn't affect rechamber time, so it basically has the same effect on sniper rifles as on everything else. Drift0r really messed up his video.
|
|
|
Post by illram on Nov 20, 2015 20:54:28 GMT -5
My turn: Suppressor: Amazing on snipers (doesn't lower damage or range) Seriously? Was this tested? Why would one not use suppressor on sniper rifles then? Unless you think the loud bang sounds really cool??
|
|
Will
True Bro
K/D below 1.0
Posts: 1,309
|
Post by Will on Nov 20, 2015 21:37:56 GMT -5
Same reason people use bolt action snipers in hardcore search & destroy:
360 quickscope yolo killcamz montage yo
|
|
banana
True Banana
Zoro > Law
Posts: 1,577
|
Post by banana on Nov 21, 2015 10:44:11 GMT -5
My turn: Suppressor: Amazing on snipers (doesn't lower damage or range) Seriously? Was this tested? Why would one not use suppressor on sniper rifles then? Unless you think the loud bang sounds really cool?? To be fair I only tested on the Locus. One hit kill stomach and up + entire arm for both. COD Ghosts did the same thing pre patch
|
|
|
Post by dunsparceflinch on Nov 21, 2015 11:32:45 GMT -5
Seriously? Was this tested? Why would one not use suppressor on sniper rifles then? Unless you think the loud bang sounds really cool?? To be fair I only tested on the Locus. One hit kill stomach and up + entire arm for both. COD Ghosts did the same thing pre patch Did you test at long range? I know it's an iffy source but according the BM's app suppressor on snipers changes them from infinite range to having a lot of range.
|
|
|
Post by LeGitBeeSting on Nov 21, 2015 11:37:30 GMT -5
So far the only universallySuppressor: absolute worst attachment, never use It's surprisingly good on snipers and it used to be good on the Haymaker be4 nerfs.
|
|
wittyscorpion
True Brorange
All warfare is based on deception.
Posts: 8,598
|
Post by wittyscorpion on Nov 21, 2015 14:52:13 GMT -5
My rule on prestige tokens: DO NOT use them on weapons unless: 1) >= 40 unlock; 2) I have experimented with it in Combat Immersion -> Custom games -> Arena and really really really like it; 3) I have already gotten Dead Silence and Scavenger; 4) It is year 2016 so the weapon rebalancing has settled down;
|
|
|
Post by iw5000 on Nov 23, 2015 9:35:59 GMT -5
You can say that again. Rapid fire only really benefits snipers, very high RoF SMGs, the Pharo, and the M8A7. Wel, since the only smg I have been using lately is the Pharo, I guess I can use it.
|
|
wittyscorpion
True Brorange
All warfare is based on deception.
Posts: 8,598
|
Post by wittyscorpion on Nov 23, 2015 11:19:29 GMT -5
Talking about attachments: I am having reasonable success with High Caliber on XC-2. Pretty consistent 1 bust kill when aiming little higher than center mass. Suppressor is depressing, but I am having fun with it on Kuda. Not really recommding it, as jump shooting (and by that I mean jumping around like a mad man) is essential and even with that it is a 50-50 chance to win heads up gunfight. The kill is very satisfying as reward
|
|
|
Post by iw5000 on Nov 23, 2015 13:42:36 GMT -5
Talking about attachments: I am having reasonable success with High Caliber on XC-2. Pretty consistent 1 bust kill when aiming little higher than center mass. Suppressor is depressing, but I am having fun with it on Kuda. Not really recommding it, as jump shooting (and by that I mean jumping around like a mad man) is essential and even with that it is a 50-50 chance to win heads up gunfight. The kill is very satisfying as reward I'm having decent success with the HVK30, running silencer. I have a whole class set up for this one. I know it gimps the weapon quite a bit, but where I think it helps, is in giving me a few moments of reprieve after each kill. I'm not swarmed by people who are red dot hunting. This especially works well after flanking. The 2 to 3 kills I get, now maybe can become 3 to 5. I just try to NOT engage in any head to head matchups, where I am shooting at someone behind something.
|
|
banana
True Banana
Zoro > Law
Posts: 1,577
|
Post by banana on Nov 23, 2015 14:19:21 GMT -5
just add long barrel with it
|
|
|
Post by iw5000 on Nov 23, 2015 14:40:24 GMT -5
just add long barrel with it I do. I've been running long barrel and silencer. It seems to work well for the most part. Like I said, especially so when I flank. I can take people out and not be swarmed within five seconds. (I was running Grip with it, but based on what people are telling me, Grip doesn't do to much)
|
|
|
Post by dunsparceflinch on Nov 23, 2015 18:12:25 GMT -5
People are exaggerating the uselessness of grip. The difference in long range capability between the dingo with grip and without grip is not placebo.
|
|
|
Post by kylet357 on Nov 23, 2015 21:05:46 GMT -5
I wonder if it affects weapons differently (whether on a per weapon or per class scale).
|
|
|
Post by GodMars on Nov 24, 2015 0:26:58 GMT -5
People are exaggerating the uselessness of grip. The difference in long range capability between the dingo with grip and without grip is not placebo. I'll spend some time wall testing it tomorrow, but if the LMGs are anything like the ARs, it's totally random and unpredictable. 7.5% reduction in viewkick with no change to centering speed is totally useless.
|
|
|
Post by GodMars on Nov 24, 2015 9:48:21 GMT -5
I did three-dozen wall tests with the Dingo, and I'd call the results inconclusive. Through the first dozen tests I was willing to give it a "maybe," but the fact is the Dingo has decently low recoil to begin with and isn't very hard to handle. Because of this it is hard to tell if there is truly any variance with or without using Grip. I'd argue that even if Grip had a discernible impact on the Dingo, it's simply not needed.
|
|
|
Post by UrbaneVirtuoso on Nov 24, 2015 9:57:21 GMT -5
Way I see it, the Grip is to everything what BO1's Upgraded Iron Sights was to everything: prettying. Go spend that point elsewhere.
|
|
|
Post by banchi on Nov 24, 2015 10:17:34 GMT -5
So does long barrel completely negate suppressor reduction in range? Or is it weapon by weapon basis?
|
|
banana
True Banana
Zoro > Law
Posts: 1,577
|
Post by banana on Nov 24, 2015 10:36:54 GMT -5
So does long barrel completely negate suppressor reduction in range? Or is it weapon by weapon basis? Suppressor is a 60% reduction in range iirc. Long Barrel is normally a 13% boost but on every AR besides the KN-44, it doubles the range aka a 100% boost. So only use it on ARs not named the KN-44. It could also work on the Kuda but he ARs are a better option
|
|
|
Post by Macht on Nov 24, 2015 10:38:44 GMT -5
So does long barrel completely negate suppressor reduction in range? Or is it weapon by weapon basis? It's a weapon by weapon basis. On most weapons the silencer penalty is greater than the long barrel bonus. The assault rifles are a different story. There, the long barrel bonus is greater than the range reduction from the silencer.
|
|
|
Post by GodMars on Nov 24, 2015 10:49:09 GMT -5
So does long barrel completely negate suppressor reduction in range? Or is it weapon by weapon basis? Suppressor is a 60% reduction in range iirc. Long Barrel is normally a 13% boost but on every AR besides the KN-44, it doubles the range aka a 100% boost. So only use it on ARs not named the KN-44. It could also work on the Kuda but he ARs are a better option Suppressor is a 50% reduction on ARs, and Long Barrel is a 100% increase in damage ranges on ARs (except for the Kn-44, which is 13%).
|
|