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Post by wg4f on Dec 14, 2015 17:22:51 GMT -5
I wonder how much peoples opinions on this have changed after the recent balancing
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Post by banana on Dec 14, 2015 18:52:57 GMT -5
I wonder how much peoples opinions on this have changed after the recent balancing My perfect list will be updated soon
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Post by banana on Dec 22, 2015 13:53:50 GMT -5
Perfection updated again:
vesper up (tier or more) ttk is too good + vertical recoil hvk down lcar down (tier or more) nerf gorgon down (tier or more) ads time sucks Kuda up (tier or more) good as an AR rk5 down (tier or more) nerf dingo up weevil up (tier or more) the somewhat worse Kuda got boosted because the Kuda did argus up (tier or more) brecci up (tier or more) buff
combined tier 6 and 7
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Post by flatulentmonkeys on Dec 22, 2015 15:57:40 GMT -5
Perfection updated again: vesper up (tier or more) ttk is too good + vertical recoil hvk down lcar down (tier or more) nerf gorgon down (tier or more) ads time sucks Kuda up (tier or more) good as an AR rk5 down (tier or more) nerf dingo up weevil up (tier or more) the somewhat worse Kuda got boosted because the Kuda did argus up (tier or more) brecci up (tier or more) buff combined tier 6 and 7 There's been another hotfix. I expect a new list by COB today.
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Post by banana on Dec 22, 2015 16:25:57 GMT -5
I realized too late
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Post by TheHawkNY on Dec 22, 2015 16:28:36 GMT -5
Here's what I have:
Tier 1: Brecci (for short range) Argus (for long range) Combat Knife (for stealth builds) XM-53 (for versatility, useful against both infantry and streaks) Hardened Sentry (low TTK means you can hit that d-pad and drop a Sentry on them in a pinch) Trench Gun (devastating in the hands of a skilled player)
Tier 2: Vesper (for combatting laggers) Weevil (so sad it's the only LMG in the game) Combat Axe (can be picked up off ground and used to slit your own wrists after missing yet another throw with the goddamn thing)
Tier 3 (a.k.a. complete trash tier): All other weapons and scorestreaks All players that use them
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Post by -3055- on Dec 23, 2015 1:51:02 GMT -5
Tier 1: argus Tier 2: GET FUCKING GOOD
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Post by lackingdamage on Dec 23, 2015 16:08:09 GMT -5
Tier 1: ARs Tier 2: SMGs Tier 3: LMG Tier 4: Shotguns Tier 5: Snipers
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Post by noscreenname on Dec 23, 2015 16:36:27 GMT -5
Tier 1: ARs Tier 2: SMGs Tier 3: LMG Tier 4: Shotguns Tier 5: Snipers Prevalence likely being a factor, but I am sure I have died more to snipers at close range than shotguns.
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Post by lackingdamage on Dec 23, 2015 17:12:31 GMT -5
Tier 1: ARs Tier 2: SMGs Tier 3: LMG Tier 4: Shotguns Tier 5: Snipers Prevalence likely being a factor, but I am sure I have died more to snipers at close range than shotguns. 97% of the time sniper kill me at close range due to blind luck. Also have noticed more snipers compared to shotguns which just odd.
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Post by dunsparceflinch on Dec 23, 2015 19:46:08 GMT -5
Prevalence likely being a factor, but I am sure I have died more to snipers at close range than shotguns. 97% of the time sniper kill me at close range due to blind luck. Also have noticed more snipers compared to shotguns which just odd. Are you two on PC or console? On PC I'd say that snipers go up to Tier 3 or 4, but on console they are clearly Tier 5. Definitely agreed on SMGs being lower tier than ARs, especially with the recent sprintout nerf and the fact that SMGs don't really have much of a hipfire advantage over ARs.
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Post by lackingdamage on Dec 26, 2015 13:44:19 GMT -5
97% of the time sniper kill me at close range due to blind luck. Also have noticed more snipers compared to shotguns which just odd. Are you two on PC or console? On PC I'd say that snipers go up to Tier 3 or 4, but on console they are clearly Tier 5. Definitely agreed on SMGs being lower tier than ARs, especially with the recent sprintout nerf and the fact that SMGs don't really have much of a hipfire advantage over ARs. Console PS4 PC gameplay I seen certain snipers are high skill high reward weapons
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Post by MoopusMaximus on Dec 28, 2015 7:16:05 GMT -5
The more I use the VMP, the more I kind of like it almost as much as the Pharo. I'm surprised a lot of people have a solid level or two below the Pharo. Right? Same with the Kuda for me. Find it to be ridiculously good (and the VMP).
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Post by MoopusMaximus on Dec 28, 2015 7:22:07 GMT -5
My personal list.
Tier 1 (User friendly AKA EZ-mode): M8 BRM Kuda VMP Pharo Argus
Tier 2 (Amazing with proper skill): KN-44 Man-o-War Razorback Shieva ICR XR-2 Haymaker
Tier 3 (Slight disadvantage): HVK Brecci Vesper (feel it's quite bad now) KRM
Tier 4 (garbage): Snipers (thanks Treyarch!) Weevil
In the tiers are no particular order.
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Post by dunsparceflinch on Dec 28, 2015 10:16:13 GMT -5
Still haven't tried the pharo, VMP, Vesper, or xr-2, but other than that I have tried everything. The tiers for me go:
Tier 1: Brecci Kuda Razorback (I know it's just a slower firing peacekeeper, but I love it, especially with a silencer) Argus M8 (I only tried it after the nerf, and it still felt like a top tier weapon) Dredge
Tier 2: BRM Dingo HVK ICR (when I tried it it felt actually pretty good, and that was before it got buffs) Weevil (not bad since the buff) KN-44
Tier 3: Shieva Man-O-War Haymaker Drakon (on console it has a lot of benefits that help even out the reduced aim assist)
Tier 4: KRM Gorgon
Tier 5: All snipers that aren't the Drakon (Drakon is the only sniper that I don't constantly go negative with)
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Post by banana on Feb 24, 2016 10:22:04 GMT -5
More perfection:
VMP up Argus up Weevil up Sheiva up Dingo up Brecci up
Vesper down
edit: forgot to say Dingo and KRM up
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Post by Gamma on Feb 24, 2016 12:48:35 GMT -5
More perfection: VMP up Argus up Weevil up Sheiva up Dingo up Brecci up Vesper down edit: forgot to say Dingo and KRM up The VMP's recoil throws me off Pharo > VMP
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Post by Lexapro on Feb 24, 2016 14:26:22 GMT -5
Updating my Competitive Tier List.
Gentleman's Agreement Tier (So good pros agree not use them because there would be no point using anything else): -48 Dredge -Akimbo LCAR-9s/RK5s
Power Tier (Commonly banned, significantly changes the metagame of the match): -Sheiva
Common Tier: -Man-O-War/M8A7 (MOW has become more common in past weeks. People have learned to control the recoil and its a bit more flexible than the M8 in close quarters) -VMP/Kuda (Kuda has also become more common in past weeks, especially with the huge Vesper nerf. Its better than the VMP at medium range and gets a huge benefit from laser sight.) -RK5 (Most common sidearm for AR players, can beat SMGs at close range) -MR-6 (in the right hands e.g. Nagafen, this is a 600rpm 3hk submachine gun with extremely fast handling. Will sometimes be banned if a player is extremely good with it.)
Uncommon Tier: -ICR-1 (I see EU Teams and Rise Nation sometimes pull this out.) -XR-2 (XR-2 seems to have fallen out of favor, players will often take the MOW before XR-2 if M8 gets banned) -Pharo (More common when Rapid Fire doesn't get banned, but doesn't seem as popular as the automatic SMGs) -Vesper (Almost never seen except for Hardpoint maps with very small Hardpoints e.g. Breach) -L-CAR 9 (I think most players prefer the other two pistols over this one but it pops up occasionally)
Only ever seen in SnD: -P-06 -SVG-100 (much more common, but commonly banned along with Overkill and Thermal sight)
Everything else is uncompetitive.
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Post by flatulentmonkeys on Feb 24, 2016 16:21:54 GMT -5
Naga with the MR6 = <3
I still don't understand the Sheiva bans, tbh. I've seen some guys use it on stream and they're no better with it than anything else really. With the ROF cap, it can't be spammed like the MR6 (or FAL for instance) which limits it's effectiveness. Just ban HC and it's nothing OP.
I still run VMP/M8/SVG. I tried the Kuda, but was "meh" about it. I feel better with the VMP.
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Post by Lexapro on Feb 24, 2016 21:26:00 GMT -5
What do you run on it? I would say that Grip, Quickdraw and Laser Sight is an absolutely lethal combination. The hip fire is so tight you don't even have to ADS until medium range. Fast Mags and stock are both also good. Personally, I like this class:
Kuda w/ ELO + Quickdraw + Laser Sight
Combat Axe
Afterburner Fast Hands Dead Silence Blast Suppressor
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Post by banana on Mar 2, 2016 13:00:49 GMT -5
Lexapro do you have any videos of the Sheiva changing the metagame of the match? That is not a top tier weapon imo
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Post by Lexapro on Mar 2, 2016 23:25:40 GMT -5
Lexapro do you have any videos of the Sheiva changing the metagame of the match? That is not a top tier weapon imo Watch Faze vs. H2K Game 3 Infection Uplink 3/2/16 Faze was definitely the favorite going into the match. H2K immediately protects the Sheiva and is able to keep the game low scoring at 3-3 and push it to overtime where they win. Phizzurp drops 40+ kills with the Sheiva basically playing defense/mid map control. Phizzurp.
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Post by chillz on Mar 3, 2016 12:12:01 GMT -5
Do you have a link. I tried searching and couldn't find it. I would like to watch it as I love the Sheiva and could maybe learn a thing or two. Thanks.
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Post by Lexapro on Mar 3, 2016 13:44:32 GMT -5
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Post by chillz on Mar 4, 2016 9:54:19 GMT -5
Thanks. Interesting watch.
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Post by banana on Mar 6, 2016 13:34:53 GMT -5
Lexapro do you have any videos of the Sheiva changing the metagame of the match? That is not a top tier weapon imo Watch Faze vs. H2K Game 3 Infection Uplink 3/2/16 Faze was definitely the favorite going into the match. H2K immediately protects the Sheiva and is able to keep the game low scoring at 3-3 and push it to overtime where they win. Phizzurp drops 40+ kills with the Sheiva basically playing defense/mid map control. Phizzurp. Zooma (m8) does as good as him and better than clay and enable who used the sheiva for most of the match
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Post by flatulentmonkeys on Mar 8, 2016 12:52:24 GMT -5
Been seeing more Man O' Wars in scrims lately... Even with the M8 in play. Clay and Octane were using it yesterday.
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Post by banana on Mar 10, 2016 20:56:03 GMT -5
Been seeing more Man O' Wars in scrims lately... Even with the M8 in play. Clay and Octane were using it yesterday. Now they just need to switch to the xr-2 instead of the m8
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Post by banana on Mar 23, 2016 20:36:46 GMT -5
Added 2 new guns:
Kuda (silenced in public matches) KN-44 (^)
based on the fact I'm sure they took a big nerf on silencers because probably in BO2 they had a big K/D boost. Also playtesting
That's probably why they nerfed stock also
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Post by Lexapro on Mar 24, 2016 9:53:29 GMT -5
I really tried to like the XR-2 but the burst delay makes it feel sluggish. Even with a grip, I feel like I miss a lot of one bursts due to the wobbly recoil that the M8 would have been able to get and then the followup burst is so slow.
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