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Post by mannon on Mar 24, 2016 11:15:02 GMT -5
This... I have exactly that relationship with the XR-2. It's just a touch too wobbly and too slow. I can't get behind it.
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Post by haoz on Mar 25, 2016 0:12:28 GMT -5
That's how I feel about the XR-2 as well. I don't see how it's better than the Man-o-war (same sort of damage profile) or M8 (weaker, faster ROF, more accurate).
The Sheiva really is the best AR in the game. Sight, stock, quick draw, rapid. Pop pop and the target is ded. It also has a considerable amount of ammo.
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Post by banana on Mar 25, 2016 11:35:50 GMT -5
Had the pistols too low haoz the Sheiva's ttk "advantage" over other ARs sucks for a semi. It's even slower than the MoW. I wish Treyarch's average k/d stats were public That would be the only thing that would change my mind on the Sheiva. Unless someone can link me competitive matches were the SHeiva actually changes the game
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Post by Lexapro on Mar 26, 2016 9:12:38 GMT -5
The thing about the Sheiva is that it wins every head glitch battle and is most able to translate its theoretical TTK to its practical TTK. Every shot will be exactly where you aim it so even if the opponent is on a head glitch, as long as your aim is good its a 2 shot kill. None of the other ARs can do this. Even the M8 will probably miss bullets 3 and/or 4 in the burst and will need a followup burst. The XR-2, you'll be lucky if more than one bullet in the burst hits at all. HVK, KN and MoW don't stand a chance with their recoil. The ICR might be able to challenge but you're still at a TTK disadvantage. And obviously the SMGs aren't even in the discussion in this scenario.
Watch this Optic vs. H2K Hardpoint. Karma runs the Sheiva and dominates:
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Post by flatulentmonkeys on Apr 6, 2016 14:49:32 GMT -5
To be fair, Karma could dominate H2K with the butterfly knife. The only problem I have with the Shieva is all the "ghost bullets". Countless times (for me, and watching others), shots will be fired with the red dot center mass on someone and the bullet won't register. I encounter it FAR more often with the Shieva than any other gun. Perhaps the low ROF allows me to "see" it happen more often and it's completely anecdotal, I'm not sure. But I definitely notice it often.
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Post by haoz on Apr 11, 2016 20:00:07 GMT -5
Ok I take it back. XR-2 with quickdraw, stock, rapid fire (red dot) is comparable to M8 with the same attachments. Grip is not needed (I usually play hardpoint). But I think rapid fire is very necessary. Rapid is good for both guns.
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Post by banana on Apr 12, 2016 9:41:31 GMT -5
I alternate between either Quickdraw, Grip, Rapid Fire and Quickdraw, Stock, Rapid Fire
Both are dope
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Post by hard1ine on Apr 29, 2016 15:04:56 GMT -5
S/A+ Tier: Nothing, so far.
A Tier: M8A7 48 Dredge BlackCell
A- Tier: KN44 Kuda
B Tier: XR2 Man o War Sheiva VMP Pharo Drakon
C Tier: HVK-30 Weevil 205 Brecci Argus P-06 RK5 LCAR-9
D Tier: Vesper Razorback BRM Dingo KRM-262 Haymaker 12 XM53
F Tier: ICR-1 Locus Gorgon SVG-100 MR6
Combat Knife Tier: Combat Knife
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Post by banana on Apr 30, 2016 10:16:01 GMT -5
Combined Tier 1 and 2 (guns are not that different) Removed Silenced Kuda + KN
VMP moved up a spot to M8 tier MR6 up a tier SVG up Dingo up
Pharo moved down to VMP tier Vesper moved down HVK moved down (got buffed but it was too high before anyway Weevil down a spot Kuda down to Razorwhack tier because of nerf
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Post by banana on Aug 18, 2016 13:09:12 GMT -5
major changes
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Post by Blurred Wolf on Sept 1, 2016 11:54:23 GMT -5
So I was thinking of actually giving this game a shot seeing it's been sitting on my shelf since since December.
What's the tl;dr on go to guns? I guess Brecci is the best shotgun so I just want to know what AR/SMG I can use for mid/long range maps. And any stand out perk recommendations. Also are any of the pistols solo viable?
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Post by livingonluck on Sept 1, 2016 15:53:29 GMT -5
So I was thinking of actually giving this game a shot seeing it's been sitting on my shelf since since December. What's the tl;dr on go to guns? I guess Brecci is the best shotgun so I just want to know what AR/SMG I can use for mid/long range maps. And any stand out perk recommendations. Also are any of the pistols solo viable? The game has issues right now. I would consider it one of the better CODs if it weren't for these issues; but it's becoming more and more unplayable. Best SMG for mid/long range is Razorback. It's the closest SMG that can function like an AR. It also has the tightest hip fire (which is only because of it's low RPMs) so it's not totally dead at close range. Best AR for mid/long range is well.... take your pick. M8A7 is considered the best gun in the game by to level players; but it has consistency issues tied to how well you're connected to the servers. Sheiva with High Caliber can get you 20% 1 shot kills to the head. Was used by a lot of pro's in the last tournament; expect it to be used a lot by the pro's at the XP as well.
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Post by Blurred Wolf on Sept 2, 2016 1:49:23 GMT -5
But Mousey, I want to fall for the sunk cost fallacy!
Thanks for the info Luck. Are any of the Auto ARs worth using at high level? Or do the ones you listed just outperform them a bunch? What's the go with the Sheiva 1-shoting 20% of the time?
Also with shotguns, last time I was reading the forum the consensus was Long Barrel and Laser Sight were useless, is this still the case?
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Post by Will on Sept 2, 2016 11:30:25 GMT -5
Equip that big sword with 6 perks like everyone else duh
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Post by livingonluck on Sept 2, 2016 15:30:49 GMT -5
But Mousey, I want to fall for the sunk cost fallacy! Thanks for the info Luck. Are any of the Auto ARs worth using at high level? Or do the ones you listed just outperform them a bunch? What's the go with the Sheiva 1-shoting 20% of the time? Also with shotguns, last time I was reading the forum the consensus was Long Barrel and Laser Sight were useless, is this still the case? Sheiva with High Caliber = 1 shot kill to the head. Even without aiming for the head - my headshot % with the weapon is like 18%. That's 18% free 1HK without trying. There's really not a ton of variance between the Auto Rifles. All of them have relatively similar TTK and handling. KN-44 seems to be favored by most. But most of the variance is if you want Auto, Semi, or Burst. Long Barrel is worthless. Laser Sight is also worthless on anything other than Argus. You want more spread on the other 3 because of the dumb shotgun damage system only needing 1 pellet to hit (and wider spread = higher chance of bad aim = a kill).
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Post by Blurred Wolf on Sept 3, 2016 0:31:35 GMT -5
Thanks for the info, I guess I'll roll with a Brecci and a Sheiva class. Will probs mess around with the SMGs a bit too.
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Post by iw5000 on Sept 7, 2016 12:15:46 GMT -5
So I was thinking of actually giving this game a shot seeing it's been sitting on my shelf since since December. What's the tl;dr on go to guns? I guess Brecci is the best shotgun so I just want to know what AR/SMG I can use for mid/long range maps. And any stand out perk recommendations. Also are any of the pistols solo viable? The game has issues right now. I would consider it one of the better CODs if it weren't for these issues; but it's becoming more and more unplayable. What are the issues? I quit back in the spring. Then played a few weeks early summer, got bored, and then put it away. What's going on now?
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Post by wg4f on Sept 12, 2016 18:35:06 GMT -5
P-06 tier 1? Is that a joke or did it get changed?
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Post by pachiderm on Sept 12, 2016 18:39:01 GMT -5
P-06 tier 1? Is that a joke or did it get changed? Keep in mind this is a tiered list based on one person's opinion, and should never have gotten to 4 pages.
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Post by Usagi on Sept 12, 2016 19:22:18 GMT -5
On PC the P06 is the best gun in the game by a lot.
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Post by banana on Sept 12, 2016 21:06:04 GMT -5
P-06 tier 1? Is that a joke or did it get changed? P-O6 is a top tier weapon when used for what it is supposed to be used for. It's also part of the best SnD class in the game (Brecci + P-06)
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Post by livingonluck on Sept 13, 2016 7:09:20 GMT -5
The game has issues right now. I would consider it one of the better CODs if it weren't for these issues; but it's becoming more and more unplayable. What are the issues? I quit back in the spring. Then played a few weeks early summer, got bored, and then put it away. What's going on now? Frame dropping is the main one that's been going on for a while. Them not fixing the stupid way shotguns damage is calculated is another (other than that everything is pretty well balanced though) But now there's an issue with lobbies not filling for a lot of people (causing a lot of matches to end up 3vs3 starting out). It would make sense that this is occuring since it's close to the end of BO3 cycle; BUT this has been going on since 2 updates ago; so something in that update broke MM.
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Post by wg4f on Sept 18, 2016 17:33:02 GMT -5
P-06 tier 1? Is that a joke or did it get changed? P-O6 is a top tier weapon when used for what it is supposed to be used for. It's also part of the best SnD class in the game (Brecci + P-06) What is that based on? Is that just for PC?
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Post by banana on Sept 18, 2016 23:43:18 GMT -5
console
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Post by wg4f on Sept 19, 2016 13:10:11 GMT -5
But iirc it doesn't have aim assist so how is it good on console? Do pros think it's op or something?
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Post by banana on Sept 20, 2016 21:12:21 GMT -5
it has aim assist, just don't run any sight other than recon. the default sights have it too
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