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Post by imrlybord7 on Dec 6, 2015 7:32:57 GMT -5
The best guns are the M8A7, Pharo, HVK-30 and Razorback. I'm trying to decide which attachments are a waste of points so I can run some Perks. I play so aggressively that I already Foxtroted your mom while you were reading this.
Long Barrel doesn't do anything on SMGs in HC, right?
M8A7
ELO (should I just git gud with irons?)
Quickdraw (mandatory)
Stock (doesn't do anything in the air or on walls, but still probably a keeper)
Laser (feelsgoodman but might not be worth the cost)
Long Barrel (this + ELO makes it a sniper rifle, but all I do is rush so long range isn't a priority)
Rapid Fire (I dunno man)
Pharo/Razorback
ELO
Quickdraw
Grip (I feel like this definitely helps the Razorback, but IDK about the Pharo)
Stock (probably unnecessary but maybe I should become a dude who pre-aims a bit more)
Laser (if it means I can stop ADSing in close range then hell yeah, otherwise nah)
Rapid Fire (probably a good attachment for the Pharo and shit for the Razorback)
HVK-30
ELO
Quickdraw
Grip (I dunno man)
Stock
Laser
Long Barrel
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Post by dunsparceflinch on Dec 6, 2015 10:22:13 GMT -5
From what I understand the following are good in HC too:
Dingo. It's an HVK with a free long barrel, slightly less recoil, and more ammo.
Brecci: Always a 1HK and you don't even have to ADS for it.
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Post by imrlybord7 on Dec 6, 2015 10:55:20 GMT -5
Yeah I just started using the Brecci, it's awesome. Obviously outclasses the pump actions and unfortunately the Haymaker gets a lot of two shot kills.
I used to use the Dingo, but the HVK handles so much faster so I just stick with that. By the same token the Dredge is a fat M8A7.
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Post by xFEARtheSHIELDx on Dec 6, 2015 11:11:48 GMT -5
After playing HC for the last few days, I'd love to learn more about the HC meta myself. I've never been into HC before, but when faced with longshots on the pistols (diamond woot!), I went in and played a few games, and started really enjoying it. My HC TDM KDR is 1.56; I'm a scrub, my KD's never been 1.56 in my life lol. I think my best was 1.35 for core TDM in BO2.
Anyhow, I've had a TON of fun playing aggressively with the MR6, elo, and long barrel. Easily fave HC setup.
Dingo/HVK are awesome in HC, definitely abuse the hipfire, laser and fast hands are great on both of these.
Also had a lot of fun with the Versper w/ Recon (i know, but i semi-auto at long range), laser, and ext mags.
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Post by imrlybord7 on Dec 6, 2015 11:22:26 GMT -5
After playing HC for the last few days, I'd love to learn more about the HC meta myself. I've never been into HC before, but when faced with longshots on the pistols (diamond woot!), I went in and played a few games, and started really enjoying it. My HC TDM KDR is 1.56; I'm a scrub, my KD's never been 1.56 in my life lol. I think my best was 1.35 for core TDM in BO2. Anyhow, I've had a TON of fun playing aggressively with the MR6, elo, and long barrel. Easily fave HC setup. Dingo/HVK are awesome in HC, definitely abuse the hipfire, laser and fast hands are great on both of these. Also had a lot of fun with the Versper w/ Recon (i know, but i semi-auto at long range), laser, and ext mags. M8A7 or maybe HVK with the attachments that are good. Afterburner + Fast Hands + Blast Suppressor + Dead Silence = hovering god of death who covers half the map every 15 seconds The MR6 is a lot of fun but it doesn't have the range or ROF for me to stick with it. Now the B23R with Laser and ExMags, there was a Foxtroting pistol. God I miss it. |
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Post by confuzzled on Dec 7, 2015 22:44:06 GMT -5
Arx outclasses the M8 in hc search.
Elo and quickdraw. Nothing else needed.
M8 is good just because the irons are better bet you end up putting long barrel on the m8 due to the abundance of hitmakers.
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Post by confuzzled on Dec 7, 2015 22:45:22 GMT -5
I got my pistols diamond in hc too en route to getting my knife diamond...
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Post by imrlybord7 on Dec 7, 2015 23:14:48 GMT -5
Arx outclasses the M8 in hc search. Elo and quickdraw. Nothing else needed. M8 is good just because the irons are better bet you end up putting long barrel on the m8 due to the abundance of hitmakers. By ARX I assume you mean XR-2? And no, it doesn't. The M8 stomps it within 38 meters. And an M8 with Long Barrel stomps it within 76 meters. I'd much rather sacrifice a point to Long Barrel than be forced to use a gun that shoots slowly instead of a gun that shoots fastly. Quickdraw is definitely mandatory. I'm loving Stock and Laser as well, Laser is a really underrated complement to Quickdraw for those insanely fast hits. Been switching between ELO and irons a lot, still not sure which way I'll go. |
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Post by confuzzled on Dec 7, 2015 23:33:25 GMT -5
Yeah, xr2....Everyone I know using the m8 in HC puts LB on it. When I put on the xr2 i don't use LB and I don't get hitmarkers and you rarely need a second burst. The m8s faster fire rate is largely irrelevant...but again my experience is in HC search...
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Post by UrbaneVirtuoso on Dec 7, 2015 23:40:03 GMT -5
Been switching between ELO and irons a lot, still not sure which way I'll go.
Should you break reliance on customs, you're rewarded an extra class point. That's coming from one well accustomed to an iron sighted G36C.
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Post by imrlybord7 on Dec 8, 2015 13:56:01 GMT -5
Yeah, xr2....Everyone I know using the m8 in HC puts LB on it. When I put on the xr2 i don't use LB and I don't get hitmarkers and you rarely need a second burst. The m8s faster fire rate is largely irrelevant...but again my experience is in HC search... If you want to play aggressively in HC a high fire rate is basically mandatory. I don't run LB on my M8 and the few times I do get a hitmarker I'll still end up getting the kill in one burst or at the beginning of my second burst. I always stray from custom sights, unless challenges mandate use. Reason? I've the mindset that if you can't master irons, they'll master you.
Should you break reliance on customs, you're rewarded an extra class point. That's coming from one well accustomed to an iron sighted G36C.
My final point is either gonna be an ELO or Afterburner. Using the M8's irons is a pain against use mind bulletsers, and the ELO makes hitting 3 (or sometimes more) targets before any of them hit me a bit more doable. |
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Post by imrlybord7 on Dec 8, 2015 14:05:10 GMT -5
So should I be running a Foregrip on the Pharo or nah?
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Post by GodMars on Dec 8, 2015 16:58:10 GMT -5
So should I be running a Foregrip on the Pharo or nah? You shouldn't run it on anything. |
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Post by UrbaneVirtuoso on Dec 8, 2015 17:16:25 GMT -5
All of my that.
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Post by imrlybord7 on Dec 8, 2015 18:01:54 GMT -5
I think it's a must on the Razorback. That gun needs to be a laser to not be a pile of shit.
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Post by xFEARtheSHIELDx on Dec 8, 2015 21:51:31 GMT -5
Long Barrel doesn't do anything on SMGs in HC, right? I'd love to know this as well. I've been loving the Kuda with Recon, Stock, and Long Barrel.... but if LB is useless, laser would be nice. |
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Post by geochron on Dec 9, 2015 1:42:32 GMT -5
Hi,
On longer range maps (e.g. Havoc) I had some success with a Manowar + suppressor + stock + the reticle that becomes red (BOA?). Arguably the suppressor is not that useful in HC but the suppressed MOW still kills at pretty long range with 1 bullet in HC.
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Post by imrlybord7 on Dec 11, 2015 1:13:28 GMT -5
Between the HVK and Long Barrel'd ICR there's no reason to use the KN-44 in HC right? On longer range maps (e.g. Havoc) I had some success with a Manowar + suppressor + stock + the reticle that becomes red (BOA?). Arguably the suppressor is not that useful in HC but the suppressed MOW still kills at pretty long range with 1 bullet in HC. The Man-O-War and XR-2 are the only non-single shot weapons that deal so much damage that they have infinite OSK ranges in HC, so even suppressed they'll OSK across the map. But I'd much rather have an M8, HVK or Long Barrel'd ICR. Can't play aggressively with slow-firing weapons. |
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Post by banana on Dec 11, 2015 9:53:20 GMT -5
Long Barrel doesn't do anything on SMGs in HC, right? I'd love to know this as well. I've been loving the Kuda with Recon, Stock, and Long Barrel.... but if LB is useless, laser would be nice. Long Barrel doesn't affect the max damage range on SMGs and Shotguns |
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Post by Dissentia on Dec 11, 2015 15:49:36 GMT -5
Kuda
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Post by confuzzled on Dec 11, 2015 16:14:44 GMT -5
So should I be running a Foregrip on the Pharo or nah? My comments are only in regards to search. Xr2 > M8. In hc search, if you are playing a team worth anything, you need to turn your aggression down a little unless you want to spectate. |
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Post by xFEARtheSHIELDx on Dec 11, 2015 17:32:06 GMT -5
I'd love to know this as well. I've been loving the Kuda with Recon, Stock, and Long Barrel.... but if LB is useless, laser would be nice. Long Barrel doesn't affect the max damage range on SMGs and Shotguns So it's useless. Is this the case with pistols? Love the mr6 in HC. |
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Post by imrlybord7 on Dec 11, 2015 17:47:21 GMT -5
So should I be running a Foregrip on the Pharo or nah? My comments are only in regards to search. Xr2 > M8. In hc search, if you are playing a team worth anything, you need to turn your aggression down a little unless you want to spectate. I would say that the majority of firefights are still less than 38 meters, and probably 100% of firefights are less than 76 meters. |
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Post by imrlybord7 on Dec 11, 2015 17:49:01 GMT -5
Long Barrel doesn't affect the max damage range on SMGs and Shotguns So it's useless. Is this the case with pistols? Love the mr6 in HC. No, for the pistols it's a flat 13% buff to all ranges. So it would bump the MR6 from 19 meters to 21.47 meters. |
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Post by confuzzled on Dec 11, 2015 18:15:41 GMT -5
So it's useless. Is this the case with pistols? Love the mr6 in HC. No, for the pistols it's a flat 13% buff to all ranges. So it would bump the MR6 from 19 meters to 21.47 meters. Can you explain why that matters?Doesn't the xr2 have a faster TTK and more damage... not to mention you don't need to waste an unlock token on it... The fire rate point about the m8 may be moot now too because the inevitable nerving just happened....apparently I will move slower now with the xr2 as well....not a happy thought... |
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Post by imrlybord7 on Dec 11, 2015 18:29:58 GMT -5
confuzzled You know that players in HC only have 30 health right? And the fire rate didn't get hit THAT hard. It should still shoot way faster than the XR.
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Post by dunsparceflinch on Dec 11, 2015 18:37:58 GMT -5
confuzzled You know that players in HC only have 30 health right? And the fire rate didn't get hit THAT hard. It should still shoot way faster than the XR. It went from 1152 RPM to 1000 RPM. Meanwhile the XR-2 is still 857RPM. |
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Post by imrlybord7 on Dec 11, 2015 18:45:39 GMT -5
Yeah but the M8 shoots 4 shots instead of 3. Also what are the burst delays? I think the M8's is .166 unless it got changed. No idea what the XR's is.
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Post by imrlybord7 on Dec 13, 2015 2:19:21 GMT -5
Now that I've got a lot more playtime in I can confidently say that the M27/M8A1/Type 25/Peacekeeper Holy Quadrinity of Hard Core is still totally intact with the ICR/M8A7/HVK-30/Razorback.
The Peacekeeper was the worst of the best and the Razorback is probably in the same position, but the Razorback does a better job of competing with the ICR than the Peacekeeper did with the M27 since Stock on ARs no longer makes them SMGs. I run it with Quickdraw and Grip, I doubt any other attachments are worth running other than optics and Fast Mags. Grip is a pretty big upgrade on the Razorback, without it the gun kinda sucks.
The M8A1 was clearly the best overall and the M8A7 is definitely in the same position. It has the accuracy for long range and the ROF for close range. I run it with Quickdraw, Stock and Laser. Laser is an amazing supplement to Quickdraw on a gun where you really need to hit one of your first four bullets.
The ICR needs Long Barrel but it's very worth it. I run it with Long Barrel, Quickdraw and Stock.
The HVK is really good but I'm not sure how to run it. I'm stuck on Grip vs Long Barrel for improving its range and Quickdraw vs Laser for improving its first shot hittitude.
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Post by xFEARtheSHIELDx on Dec 13, 2015 14:49:56 GMT -5
I don't know how any summary of the "best" HC guns can leave out the Dingo or the Kuda. Isn't the Dingo an infinite 1hk? I used to use the Dingo, but the HVK handles so much faster so I just stick with that. By the same token the Dredge is a fat M8A7. And by that same token, the HVK is just a fat Kuda. The OSK range doesn't feel long enough to justify using over the kuda (which has an awesome OSK range), at least if I'm playing aggressively. |
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