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Post by confuzzled on Mar 19, 2016 21:03:40 GMT -5
$110 later and I got my first weapon. This is as bad as mass effect 3 multiplayer packages...
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Post by GodMars on Mar 19, 2016 22:50:09 GMT -5
$110 later and I got my first weapon. This is as bad as mass effect 3 multiplayer packages... Why would you even admit something like this?
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Post by Pegasus Actual on Mar 20, 2016 3:15:29 GMT -5
Well shit, I can't afford NOT to buy it... right?!?! RIGHT??!??!?!?!?!? Bobby Kotick I hope your private jet crashes someday.
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Post by dpkaufman on Mar 20, 2016 8:46:52 GMT -5
Interesting. Yeah, agree having some weapons exclusively available via drops is pretty bad. I've only picked up the new ones, but from my limited experience they seem more like fun alternatives or goofy experiments? Don't feel like I'm losing games because I don't have the new stuff.
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Post by confuzzled on Mar 20, 2016 21:41:04 GMT -5
$110 later and I got my first weapon. This is as bad as mass effect 3 multiplayer packages... Why would you even admit something like this? Why not? People will go out to a dinner or bar and drop $100 quickly as will I occasionally. But I don't go out to drink or eat barely ever anymore. Whats wrong with spending a few bucks over the course of a month or two. I've been buying a supply drop or two every other Friday when I get a chance to play. I spend 10 days of playing time a year playing COD on average the last four years. With college four nights a week and a full time job during the day right now I can't grind, so I play the odds and drop $10 here and there. You guys won't bitch about somebody paying 5 bucks for coffee coolata at DD but heaven forbid you buy a few care packages. Not only that but I don't give a shit what people on the internet think of my spending habits. Just an fyi if you think you will get a weapon by spending a few bucks...probably not...
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Post by haoz on Mar 20, 2016 21:42:16 GMT -5
I feel like Treyarch took advantage of the new two-hit melee system to implement a bunch of 1-hit kill supply drop weapons. Now a quarter of my games has someone running around with a sword, knife, crossbow, or whatever.
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Post by confuzzled on Mar 20, 2016 21:43:29 GMT -5
The knife has been viable from the start.
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Post by Pegasus Actual on Mar 20, 2016 22:40:17 GMT -5
Why not? People will go out to a dinner or bar and drop $100 quickly as will I occasionally. But I don't go out to drink or eat barely ever anymore. Whats wrong with spending a few bucks over the course of a month or two. Well, you go to a dinner, you're waited on, you (hopefully) have skilled people cooking food for you, you get to hang out in a nice space. It's not *that* hard to justify, you are getting something which has quantifiable costs to provide. On the other hand, $110 and you got one DLC weapon. Do you really feel good about that? If you're loaded, sure it won't faze you. Now imagine some 14 year old who desperately wants the crossbow or whatever and gets his hopes crushed every time he plays the COD slot machine. It's fundamentally predatory. Well, if people were spending 'a few bucks' over the course of a month or two and then finally getting their coffee coolata after $110 spent, people would probably bitch. And don't worry, people being smug over other people's overpriced coffee is definitely a thing. Thanks for the extra confirmation, but we kinda figured that out already from day one YouTubers.
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Post by UrbaneVirtuoso on Mar 20, 2016 23:03:55 GMT -5
So long as you stay the hell away from accounting and my wallet, it'll be all fine, confuzzled.
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Post by haoz on Mar 20, 2016 23:42:20 GMT -5
The knife has been viable from the start. Sure. Thanks to a bit of engine latency, connection latency, the sliding mechanic, etc. But there'd be less of this stuff if panic knifing were kept.
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Post by pachiderm on Mar 21, 2016 1:15:13 GMT -5
The knife has been viable from the start. Sure. Thanks to a bit of engine latency, connection latency, the sliding mechanic, etc. But there'd be less of this stuff if panic knifing were kept. That's pretty tortured logic. How're you going to argue that? The novelty of having a weapon that kills in one melee is enough to draw people to use it? How does that make sense, and why wouldn't people just use the combat knife from the start if that were the case? Maybe you mean that the novelty of having a dlc weapon influences people to use it because they're so hard to come by. That makes significantly more sense. But that's a product of having hard to get dlc weapons, not of them taking away the standard one hit kill melee.
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Post by mannon on Mar 21, 2016 8:34:00 GMT -5
I'd say there are two things that draw people to the DLC melee weapons. First the the gee whiz I have this "rare" weapon let's show it off thing. The knife has been there from always, but nobody thinks it's cool. The other thing is that the DLC weapons are automatically perma-unlocked. You don't have to level up and then spend an unlock point on them. They're always there for you to use once you have them. *shrug*
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Post by lustindarkness on Mar 21, 2016 8:42:16 GMT -5
I finally got to use the Marshal a bit, its not bad, but I am. LOL
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Post by mannon on Mar 21, 2016 9:00:16 GMT -5
As for the pay to win thing. Personally I dislike that they are doing this pay to win lottery crap and not giving us anything at all in return for it. The game still cost us all full price up front, but now we've got even more crap to spend money on, and some of that crap isn't just cosmetic, but actually really good weapons. The fact that you can't guarantee you'll get them, but it has to be some lottery thing doesn't really help either. Not when they are so rare that you either have to be extremely lucky, play an extreme amount of hours (and still get lucky) to get them or pay loads of cash. meh...
Now I'm not totally and against this kind of thing. I played Magic the Gathering and there was always some fun gambling on a new booster pack. It was cool to see what you'd get. I'm not totally opposed to seeing that same sort of thing come to FPS shooters. Sure... why not? But to do it in this awkward piecemeal way while still charging us all full price for the game and the DLC's is exorbitant. It's nothing but a cash in, pure and simple. And if this trend continues then yes, I'll pack up, sell my disk, and go play something else.
As is I'm just mildly annoyed when I get killed by somebody with those damn crossbows, but so far it's not really that much of an issue and I'm still having fun. We'll see if that holds up, though.
To be honest, though. I probably shouldn't bother with CoD. It's a fun game franchise... but not a very good one. The developers are all clearly right in there with the publisher on bilking us for as much money as possible. Granted every business's job is to make money, but they take a downright predatory tact to it. Clearly they are more interested in exploiting their customers than trying to provide actual value for our dollars spent. Oh well. There are other games with other developers and publishers which are a lot more customer friendly. We really don't HAVE to play CoD, especially these days. Like I said, I'm not quite jumping ship yet, but if this is just a taste of things to come then it's a matter of when, not if. I don't need CoD. Hell I only just now got back into it after years of not really playing it, so yeah... I'm not gonna get butthurt over them "ruining" CoD. The franchise has been "ruined" for years and years. Every title has it's good and bad points with varying ratios. And it's not like it's any surprise that they want to grab at our money with minimal effort, they always have. The DLC's been mostly crappy and overpriced for years. Now, they don't even need that. Just throw some junk in as lottery prizes and watch the money roll in. And it doesn't matter if it pisses off some of us, because we already bought the game. They don't need to keep us playing now that they have our money, and this won't really hurt new sales so they won't give a shit. Plus by the time the franchise rolls back around to Treyarch the community will have forgiven them and will be hungry for Treyarch again after years of IW and I guess Sledgehammer will do another AW or something? meh...
Me, I'm not really planning to stick around for every game, every year. I'll dip in when it looks cool like BO3 did, then I'm out unless the next one looks spectacular. It's just a game.
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Post by lustindarkness on Mar 21, 2016 9:34:15 GMT -5
If the new weapons had just been re-skinned weapons already in the game, I would have no problem with them making money out of people willing to pay for it. With the current gamble for a slight chance to pay to win, if at least we did not get duplicates and a slightly higher cryptokey earn rate it would not be as terrible (for those of us that will not pay to gamble). I can only have false hopes that they won't be as greedy for the next game.
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Post by GodMars on Mar 21, 2016 10:31:12 GMT -5
If the new weapons had just been re-skinned weapons already in the game, I would have no problem with them making money out of people willing to pay for it. With the current gamble for a slight chance to pay to win, if at least we did not get duplicates and a slightly higher cryptokey earn rate it would not be as terrible (for those of us that will not pay to gamble). I can only have false hopes that they won't be as greedy for the next game. It'll only get worse because people are stupid.
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Post by lustindarkness on Mar 21, 2016 10:42:14 GMT -5
If the new weapons had just been re-skinned weapons already in the game, I would have no problem with them making money out of people willing to pay for it. With the current gamble for a slight chance to pay to win, if at least we did not get duplicates and a slightly higher cryptokey earn rate it would not be as terrible (for those of us that will not pay to gamble). I can only have false hopes that they won't be as greedy for the next game. It'll only get worse because people are stupid. I know.
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Post by Slick on Mar 21, 2016 13:58:00 GMT -5
Just wait for them to repeat what happened the first time: They'll drop the new content 2-4 weeks after the sale ends. They are the sharks and we are the bleeding dolphins, but it doesn't have to be that way. Unfortunately, the whales in this pool will take a lot more abuse before the sharks overcome them.
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Post by lustindarkness on Mar 21, 2016 14:28:00 GMT -5
And a few months after they got money for preorders by making Nuk3town "exclusive" it will be given to everyone for free starting today.
BTW, I don't remember having played Nuk3town in BO3.
Talking about sharks, my current emblem is a shark with a freaking laser beams on its head.
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Post by mannon on Mar 21, 2016 14:59:11 GMT -5
I've played it in BO3 once, on a nuketown only playlist... I didn't like it. I was okay with it in BO1 and even enjoyed it sometimes, but not a huge fan of it in BO3... although, I do approve of the BO3 mannequin Easter egg.
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Post by UrbaneVirtuoso on Mar 21, 2016 15:45:51 GMT -5
The knife has been viable from the start. Sure. Thanks to a bit of engine latency, connection latency, the sliding mechanic, etc. But there'd be less of this stuff if panic knifing were kept. Panic knifing was a good thing? Fuck me.
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Post by illram on Mar 21, 2016 16:51:24 GMT -5
Pretty soon we will be spending $60 every November just for the chance to actually play Call of Duty.
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Post by mannon on Mar 21, 2016 17:10:19 GMT -5
More like $60 every quarter...
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Post by Lexapro on Mar 21, 2016 17:16:00 GMT -5
https://www.reddit.com/r/blackops3/comments/4bdofj/glitch_showing_new_hg40_smg/
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Post by illram on Mar 21, 2016 17:41:45 GMT -5
Just wait when they drop new specialists in the Black Market.
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Post by confuzzled on Mar 21, 2016 17:44:17 GMT -5
Why not? People will go out to a dinner or bar and drop $100 quickly as will I occasionally. But I don't go out to drink or eat barely ever anymore. Whats wrong with spending a few bucks over the course of a month or two. Well, you go to a dinner, you're waited on, you (hopefully) have skilled people cooking food for you, you get to hang out in a nice space. It's not *that* hard to justify, you are getting something which has quantifiable costs to provide. On the other hand, $110 and you got one DLC weapon. Do you really feel good about that? If you're loaded, sure it won't faze you. Now imagine some 14 year old who desperately wants the crossbow or whatever and gets his hopes crushed every time he plays the COD slot machine. It's fundamentally predatory. Well, if people were spending 'a few bucks' over the course of a month or two and then finally getting their coffee coolata after $110 spent, people would probably bitch. And don't worry, people being smug over other people's overpriced coffee is definitely a thing. Thanks for the extra confirmation, but we kinda figured that out already from day one YouTubers. The bottom line is you don't have to buy anything you don't want to. The base game with maps, zombies and weapons is well worth the $60 spent on it. I'm bitter I don't have that crossbow but oh well. Do I like that they are milking extra dollars out of us? No. But I'm not going to worry too much about spending 10 bucks every other week on a game I invest so much time in every year because I want to get a special weapon that I don't have the time to grind for. They should just allow you to purchase the weapon for $10 or something (weapon dlc) but micro transactions are the new norm. How many people spent $2-3 on camos for previous COD games? When I don't have time to prestige I drop $2 on the extra class slots. It might make you mad but from a business standpoint but nickeling and diming people through micro transactions is the way to go for gaming. Thats only going to increase more and more.
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Post by bradman on Mar 21, 2016 19:41:22 GMT -5
Activision should turn CoD into a service and monetize everything. Rip the bandage off and get rid of the campaign and the annual $60 disc-based release. Maximize profits through an elaborate milking machine construct.
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Post by Usagi on Mar 21, 2016 20:15:33 GMT -5
We'll get CoD Online eventually, sales of the annual releases just have to go down enough first.
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Post by GodMars on Mar 22, 2016 8:05:10 GMT -5
Activision should turn CoD into a service and monetize everything. Rip the bandage off and get rid of the campaign and the annual $60 disc-based release. Maximize profits through an elaborate milking machine construct. If I can't resell it, I'm not buying it
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Post by mannon on Mar 22, 2016 8:36:42 GMT -5
Yeah... I never should have gotten AW digital copy... I should have gotten GTAV digital and AW on disk...
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