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Post by snes chalmers on Oct 24, 2016 21:10:59 GMT -5
Another one for the Palindrome...it's almost like an Eyasluna, and it's got a pretty good roll from the vendor. Apparently the FWC vendor hand cannon's decent, and the New Monarchy vendor hand cannon seems alright for a low impact hand cannon.
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Post by exxtrooper on Oct 24, 2016 22:38:14 GMT -5
If you're looking for a good hand cannon in year 3 your only bet is continuously using xur to boost your FWC reputation or farming skeleton keys for the Imago loop. Hand cannons shin in PVE because of their crown control potential high burst damage output to one shot most trash mobs. Firefly strengthens their crowd control even further in is more effective than on scouts due to the explosion AoE being based upon the damage per bullet which is significantly higher on hand cannons.
Biggest issue is they have the longest average reload times in the game which makes spray and play, feeding frenzy and outlaw the ideal perks. Imago Loop and The Wail are the only two hand cannons available in year 3 that can roll both firefly and a reload perk, making them the only hand cannon options.
Any hand cannon will most likely "work" some way or another but if you want a true powerhouse for raid speedruns and the like the perks you're gonna go for is outlaw and firefly. Its not as much of a hassle as with some pvp guns which require more than 2 rng perk nodes to be ideal but its a hassle. A hand cannon without both of these perks will either have too much downtime between reloads to not make up for its burst DPS or be outclassed by scouts because of their versatility in range and potential boss damage with triple tap.
Vendor palindrome is great with spray and play, but its in no way the ideal weapon for trash mobs or boss damage.
The Hard Mode hand cannon has very nice perk options as well as barrel options, but suffers from the same problem stated above.
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Post by malgato on Oct 24, 2016 23:38:18 GMT -5
Good to see you back exxtrooper! Thanks for the input. I don't feel up to grinding for Imago Loop, so I'll try for FWC luck.
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Post by wings on Oct 25, 2016 4:14:44 GMT -5
Got a 393 Trespasser from a Shaxx bounty. Got the final primary kill with four minutes remaining before reset, just in case it is Clash again. Looks like it is Supremacy so may be there are no repeat game types for two weeks running so people can save up bounties if they do not intend on doing them for that week it seems.
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Post by qupie on Oct 25, 2016 5:12:26 GMT -5
If you're looking for a good hand cannon in year 3 your only bet is continuously using xur to boost your FWC reputation or farming skeleton keys for the Imago loop. Hand cannons shin in PVE because of their crown control potential high burst damage output to one shot most trash mobs. Firefly strengthens their crowd control even further in is more effective than on scouts due to the explosion AoE being based upon the damage per bullet which is significantly higher on hand cannons. Biggest issue is they have the longest average reload times in the game which makes spray and play, feeding frenzy and outlaw the ideal perks. Imago Loop and The Wail are the only two hand cannons available in year 3 that can roll both firefly and a reload perk, making them the only hand cannon options. Any hand cannon will most likely "work" some way or another but if you want a true powerhouse for raid speedruns and the like the perks you're gonna go for is outlaw and firefly. Its not as much of a hassle as with some pvp guns which require more than 2 rng perk nodes to be ideal but its a hassle. A hand cannon without both of these perks will either have too much downtime between reloads to not make up for its burst DPS or be outclassed by scouts because of their versatility in range and potential boss damage with triple tap. Vendor palindrome is great with spray and play, but its in no way the ideal weapon for trash mobs or boss damage. The Hard Mode hand cannon has very nice perk options as well as barrel options, but suffers from the same problem stated above. I was looking for a firefly reload perk hand cannon for a long time, but for me, the palindrome is really really solid in PvE. We don't really need firefly imho, we are not fighting hive thralls all that often anymore. I prefer more range. Also, the reload perks are really really nice, but hand cannon loader and a nice short-mid range special/heavy can suffice as well. In the raid, I feel like the palindrome is the optimal weapon for aksis stage 1 and 2, although something like life support could be nice, firefly and outlaw are kind of useless. In the parts before, I prefer a scout (with firefly!) Also, you need to look into the cocytus from gunsmith. I have one with firefly (and lifesupport) and its firefly effects feel like a hand cannons firefly. (73 vs 86 damage against guardians in crucible) I think it is hands down better than hung jury as well. I too am using all my skeleton keys on imago loops, but I hope to get one with range finder for that extra range and zoom. Edit: as a matter of fact, I might try and get a nice uffern to drop for the raid, with life support (I think it can roll it right?)
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