I bought Destiny 2 Nov 7, 2017 11:04:03 GMT -5
Post by markopolo on Nov 7, 2017 11:04:03 GMT -5
I haven't done the raid yet, so that's motivation for me
I still have 3 exotics that I haven't earned yet (Rat King, the grenade launcher and the scout rifle that shoots through shields)
TBH... I'm suffering from Siva-itis... where I'm max light in several setups, yet haven't touched the raid.
That being said, I might start raid PUGing again, like I did in KF... my in game 3 page friend list is down to 5 players (I did get rid of 20 whom I haven't interacted with in 6 months though)
The raid is fun, don't get me wrong, I wanted to get it done too. It's a great feeling to finish.
The above said, I don't think this raid is as good as the prior ones. Bad loot. No raid centric perks needed. And the Raid itself...it just doesn't have that epic feel of prior ones. It's also not as scary/spooky, with no build up and flow. Like the gauntlet thing, running around a wheel like a hamster, just doesnt' create that epic feel feeling.
Speaking with my and only my opinion: (wall of text and ranting coming)
The biggest problem with the raid is that is unneccesary; D2 did the same f$$kup as RoI. Both storywise and powerwise.
There's no reason to do the WoTM... you killed off SIVA and are an Iron Lord bingo bango done. Storywise, you're done. If you want, sure... there's Vosik and Aksis... but the main storyline threat is done. SIVA production is finished and you are complete. Furthermore, there's really no mention of Vosik or Aksis at all in the story. We go into the replication chamber, free the corrupted SIVA'd Iron Lords, and stop things... now all of a sudden, hey wait? There's more... who are they? Why are they here? We destroyed the SIVA chamber and are Iron Lords now! Now all of a sudden, it's some sorta of Billy Mayes "But wait, there's more!!!" $hit where I have to do a raid and there's all this stuff just out of no where? They couldn't have given us at least 1 more story mission setting up the raid? Same error in D2... story wise, there's no reason to do the Leviathan.... you killed Ghaal and woke the Traveler and bingo bango done. Storywise, the threat is over and it's done. We got a new Tower, we got new stuff, and the Red Legion are leaderless, yay us... another leader done and dusted. Now, all of a sudden, there's a ship hovering over Nessus? Now, at least, Bungie made a story mission called "Emperor's request" or something like that.... but it's not essential to do... it's not a part of the story line at all.... if anything, they should make us do it... that after we see Zavala in the Tower after killing Ghaal... he tells us that somethings wrong on Nessus and we need to figure it out. MAKE us go to there to learn about the Raid... even if it's just killing a bunch of Cabal, then a cutscene of this big f$$king Cabal ship entering Nessus' orbit. Make us do that mission to know why the Emperor is there and why there's a big ass ship sitting above Nessus.
One of the BEST things about D1 and Kings Fall, was the revenge motive: We killed Oryx's son and he's pissed and coming to kill us. Even better: when we kill Oryx in the storyline, he left to the different realm but the threat wasn't over... we had to do the raid to kill him off. Sure, do the story missions, but you're not done. The raid was necessary to end the story and close the chapter on killing Oryx, because he was still alive in the Netherworld (or whatever tf they called it) and all that we did in the story was nice, but to finish him off, we needed to do the raid to truely, kill Oryx. It's why I did 125 raids, all with the CM's. I genuinely loved ending the story line and killing off Oryx. There was closure and finality that the Taken were done, or at least flailing and left for dead... ala Anakin Skywalker after he got Kenobi'd
THAT's one of D2's biggest f$$kups... They killed Ghaal off too easily. They should have ended the storyline at the Almighty mission when we disable/destroy/whatever it. Let us still keep the Farm and all of its stuff. Then, instead of the Leviathan raid, make the whole raid fighting on Ghaal's command ship and make it..... 5 levels, each with a boss and working our way up, fighting more and more elite Cabal, until the top where we actually fight off and kill ghaal, just like the story mission... except make it a f%%k ton harder and spongier... like Rockets McDickface on Steroids, HGH, horse tranquilizer, and pure uncut Cocaine. Forget the ads too... make it a fire team of 6 where all we do is just pound on this giant, virtually invincible Cabal... the most elite of the elite baddest Space Rhino in the Universe. Forget the mechanics. Forget Ads. shoot him and stay alive. Use the exact same fight: let him use the travelers light to pop different types of supers on us. But give us that sense of "Yea!!! we killed Ghaal...." In all of Destiny, I've got that feeling twice: the first time I killed Skolas with TheHawkNY and... Challenger?Marine? and the first time I killed Oryx on hard mode.
That's what I wanted to feel when I killed that f$$ker who blew up the Tower and stole my light... instead, it was just so anticlimatic... like in RoI. Except I got a sword in RoI and a Title.
They SHOULD have made it where after that fight, that's when you get the Tower back. But you earned it. Those who don't want to do the raid... you still get the farm and all of it's joys and splendors and all that. But if you want the Tower, you have to do the raid. in other words: GIVE ME A F$$KING REASON TO DO IT... FORCE ME TO WANT TO DO THE RAID, IF NOT FOR THE F$$KING FACT THAT I GET THE TOWER BACK... FFS!!!!
when you've done the Raid and killed Ghaal, you do that story mission where you see the Leviathan.
And that's just the story.
As I've (and many have) mentioned, I'm sitting with 300+ power level gear at a max of 305 with many setups. And I haven't even touched the raid. The only gear I have that isn't good... is the damaged warlock gear that's white and we can't infuse up.
And there are many many many many many like me.
D1... if I wanted to be in that same cushion... I had to do VoG... I had to do Crota's Rear End... I had to kill Skolas...
But, Bungie robbed Peter to pay Paul... they made it so that you could be max light, but did it at the expense of the end game. So now people like me, have no reason to do the Leviathan, because I'm pretty powerful tyvm. I mean, sure... there's the challenge aspect of it. But with challenge comes a sense of accomplishment... and ultimately, from almost everyone whom I've talked to... you don't get that from the Leviathan. I sure as hell know I didn't get it from Aksis of Vosik. The only thing that was difficult was the challenge mode mechanics. Meh....
TL;DR: by not including it in the story, and by allowing us to get powerful gear from other sources, Bungie sacrificed their end game. They did it to themselves. And as Radiohead taught us, that's why it really hurts. There's no reason to do Trials, NF, or Raids... because we don't need to