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Post by shadz on Jan 10, 2009 7:48:48 GMT -5
I remember reading on the COD4 table that you can use any weapon and it will be 'the best' (obviously this disregards the MP5 and M16 ) and I was wondering if it's the same for WaW. Personally I don't think it is, look at the M1 Garand for example. Edit: Oh yeah; Unlike "Hey, Den", you won't get any kind of status for adding some menial phrase to your first message. Does that count?
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Post by Den on Jan 10, 2009 9:02:43 GMT -5
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Post by Protolisk on Jan 11, 2009 0:11:14 GMT -5
Yeah I don't think it is at all.
Look at tanks, Type 99 and FG42.
And bad guns like M1garand, shotguns
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Post by dog on Jan 11, 2009 0:22:42 GMT -5
Yea, you've got a point there... I've never liked the shotguns in CoD4 and CoD5 just made them worse.
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Post by qupie on Jan 11, 2009 8:32:02 GMT -5
The fact is, shotguns are not made to be used in fights like the maps you play in. Shotguns where made to be used when entering a building with small rooms or such, and you don't really have such a map in COD.... Although I think they should have made the range abit further, just for balancing...
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Post by Tapap on Jan 11, 2009 16:46:25 GMT -5
i do pretty good with a shotty u just have to stay near buildings camo helps alot so you can flank its also good in a overkill class
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Post by Protolisk on Jan 11, 2009 17:21:45 GMT -5
Yeah I used it with overkill with the type 99. And its true its only good for enclosed buildings. But they should extend the range just by a bit.
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Post by shadz on Jan 11, 2009 17:56:25 GMT -5
Type 99 and FG42 overpowered? Are you referring to the low recoil, good fire rate and damage as well as the possibility of a bayonet for the former, and the low recoil, good fire rate and damage and the hardcore possibilities of the latter? Elaborate?
Shotguns do seem pretty bad, especially with the tiny clip size. If the clip size was larger, they may be of some use.
The M1 Garand probably the worst gun in the game, but, it does have some advantages: -Better rate of fire than the bolt actions, it's a viable bayonet option. -The sniper scope makes it literally the best sniper in the game.
@den, no other comments than just '-_-' ?
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Post by dog on Jan 11, 2009 21:42:36 GMT -5
I think the sprint duration/speed of shotguns should be increased to restore a sense of purpose when using it.
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Post by qupie on Jan 12, 2009 8:47:35 GMT -5
Well, I can get some good score with the shotgun to, but none of them are better then with a tompson round drum, MP40 silenced (for camo, I prefer a silenced gun...) or any other SMG. Just because they don't limid your range that bad...
And I don't think it is bad the garand is abit less good then the G43, because if you want that nice sniper, you have to work for it... Also, the extra damage can be nice sometimes.
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Post by shadz on Jan 12, 2009 18:51:25 GMT -5
What extra damage?
They're both 2 hit kill in normal, and 1 hit kill in hardcore.
And my best score to date is 40/1 with the trenchgun
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Post by qupie on Jan 12, 2009 20:35:10 GMT -5
the extra damage will kill on big range in 3 shots without stopping power;) I used it with flash hider and camo for a while, so it DOES have a use. When you use a silenced semi-auto rifle with camo (or another perk then SP, this is the gun to use IMO. That is about it though (and in some situations, it can just give jou that litle more damage you needed, but overal the G43 is better indeed.
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Post by Protolisk on Jan 12, 2009 20:35:39 GMT -5
Type 99 and FG42 overpowered? Are you referring to the low recoil, good fire rate and damage as well as the possibility of a bayonet for the former, and the low recoil, good fire rate and damage and the hardcore possibilities of the latter? Elaborate? Shotguns do seem pretty bad, especially with the tiny clip size. If the clip size was larger, they may be of some use. The M1 Garand probably the worst gun in the game, but, it does have some advantages: -Better rate of fire than the bolt actions, it's a viable bayonet option. -The sniper scope makes it literally the best sniper in the game. @den, no other comments than just '-_-' ? Yeah with sniper scope I reckon its one of the best snipers. Also about that FG 42 and Type 99 thats exactly what I mean. Except I think the type 99 is better seeing as its got a way bigger magazine. Most people don't know how good they are but I bet you when people find out it'll be the new M16.
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Post by qupie on Jan 12, 2009 20:37:13 GMT -5
Well, the type 99 has a nice drawback, you don't see any ****.... so I think that pretty much balances it. Although the FG 42 is a noob gun indeed... IMO
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Post by iKONIG on Jan 15, 2009 5:13:52 GMT -5
sometimes when you rade a room with a shotgun, enemies are most likely out of range to kill.
Trench Gun - Takes approximately 3.0 seconds minimum to kill 4 tangos using a full clip, IF all 4 shots are kills.
Double Barrel - Takes approximately 0.3 seconds to fire a following shot, if there were to be 4 enemies in one room, it'll take 2.9 seconds minimum to kill all tangos including the reload time.
So really both Shotguns are balanced in their own way, you can have the Trench Gun which the 3 seconds is evened between every shot.
OR
You can have the Double Barrel, take 2 shots, have a 2.9 reload time and then fire the remaining 2.
P.S Typing this post made me feel smart...OH YEAH =D
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Post by iKONIG on Jan 15, 2009 5:15:26 GMT -5
WHAT THE HECK!! IT LOOKED ALOT MORE BIGGER WHEN I WAS TYPING IT!! lol
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Post by Protolisk on Jan 15, 2009 6:48:11 GMT -5
lol that happens a lot to me
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Post by shadz on Jan 15, 2009 10:50:54 GMT -5
Using Den's tip of holding the reload button would make the trench gun far superior.
But the DBS extra damage is great, it means that you can use Juggernaut (or Camouflage), or essentially any other perk 2 (I guess SoH is good, but I tend to find the reload not bad...)
Bayonet > Grip and Sawn off
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