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Post by confuzzled on Nov 25, 2012 15:14:07 GMT -5
Does anyone here agree with that?
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Post by tiesieman on Nov 25, 2012 15:18:36 GMT -5
I have no clue who this guy is
And to answer your question, nah it sucks at range
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Post by Disgruntled Jigglypuff on Nov 25, 2012 15:27:30 GMT -5
Tmartn has no clue what he is talking about. He thinks range does nothing for the PM-9. Oh and range is better than damage for the SPAS 12 at point blank.
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Post by Lexapro on Nov 25, 2012 15:37:45 GMT -5
PDW is possibly the best gun without any attachments. It's adequate in most categories and the 50 rd mag is a huge advantage.
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Post by seanbateman on Nov 25, 2012 15:48:49 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure he said the MSMC.
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Post by Tyzerra on Nov 25, 2012 15:49:35 GMT -5
As much as I like TmarTn and his attitude toward bringing news, tips, etc to the community, he spends too much time bringing the information as opposed to researching it. Since I've stopped uploading to Youtube I've learnt so much more about COD and now I struggle to watch commentators without saying to myself "No, you're wrong." As for the OP though, the PDW is pretty versatile and not too difficult to use, hence why many players like it. Personally I prefer the MSMC for aggressive play and M8A1 for defensive though. I'm particularly fond of the M8. Da mn that 4-round burst is smexy
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Post by Pegasus Actual on Nov 25, 2012 16:06:41 GMT -5
PDW is the first gun I maxed out prestige on, so I definitely like it. Good FFA gun since reloading gets you killed every time in that mode.
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Post by confuzzled on Nov 25, 2012 16:16:47 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure he said the MSMC. Both, his vid lists them as the best two weapons. Chicom will rape either one.
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Post by Tyzerra on Nov 25, 2012 16:22:03 GMT -5
yeah with that 4hk it has sure Ha ha, that got me laughing +1 funnies for the Mouse.
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Post by confuzzled on Nov 25, 2012 16:25:32 GMT -5
yeah with that 4hk it has sure Things fires like an animal when you spam it. I'll put 4 bullets in you before you hit me with 3 and it fires better from the hip with a laser sight.
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Post by confuzzled on Nov 25, 2012 16:34:26 GMT -5
As much as I like TmarTn and his attitude toward bringing news, tips, etc to the community, he spends too much time bringing the information as opposed to researching it. Since I've stopped uploading to Youtube I've learnt so much more about COD and now I struggle to watch commentators without saying to myself "No, you're wrong." As for the OP though, the PDW is pretty versatile and not too difficult to use, hence why many players like it. Personally I prefer the MSMC for aggressive play and M8A1 for defensive though. I'm particularly fond of the M8. Da mn that 4-round burst is smexy What do you mean by not too difficult to use? Is the mp7 hard? Or the vector? Or the msmc? Or the evo? The only gun with a small curve is the chicom since its a burst smg and it requires finger spamming....which admittedly sometimes I'd prefer to hold down the trigger. It's got a free extended magazines going for it and nothing else IMHO. I think it's a decent gun but putting it as the 1st/2nd best gun in the game is comical to me...
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Post by Tyzerra on Nov 25, 2012 16:48:35 GMT -5
What do you mean by not too difficult to use? Is the mp7 hard? Or the vector? Or the msmc? Or the evo? The only gun with a small curve is the chicom since its a burst smg and it requires finger spamming....which admittedly sometimes I'd prefer to hold down the trigger. It's got a free extended magazines going for it and nothing else IMHO. I think it's a decent gun but putting it as the 1st/2nd best gun in the game is comical to me... Yeah, I generalised handling characteristics, features, niches, etc a bit too much into 'not too difficult to use' so my bad. What I meant though was, if I use other SMG's to compare, I find the MP7's recoil super hard to control, sometimes the Vector's 4HK just can't compete up-close, the MSMC's 30 round mag sometimes falls short of the PDW's 50, and like you said the Chicom's bursting just doesn't feel right when you want to hold down that trigger and spray. When it comes to these kinds of handling characteristics the PDW just fits nicely between all of them. Recoil is relatively light, rising steadily and consistently up and to the right, it kills nicely in 3 hits up close, the extra 20 rounds occasionally come in handy for that extra gunfight, etc. It has a nice mix of 'things going for it' but I still prefer the MSMC as my 3HK, 750RPM SMG of choice.
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Post by asasa on Nov 25, 2012 16:54:23 GMT -5
yeah with that 4hk it has sure Things fires like an animal when you spam it. I'll put 4 bullets in you before you hit me with 3 and it fires better from the hip with a laser sight. What merit does the chicom have over the MP7, Vector, or Skorp? PDW IS the best gun in the game. But not like the Famas was the best in BO, or the MP7 in MW3. Its just a very good all rounder. A small reload speed & range nerf wouldnt be out of line.
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Post by Tyzerra on Nov 25, 2012 17:02:57 GMT -5
How can anyone suggest that the PDW deserves a nerf?! IMO M8A1 and MSMC are the best weapons in the game, and neither of those deserve a nerf.
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Post by RageHulkSmash on Nov 25, 2012 17:10:32 GMT -5
PDW vs MSMC is like Famas vs AUG in BO1 imo. I'll take the PDW because of the easier recoil pattern.
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Post by Tyzerra on Nov 25, 2012 17:12:22 GMT -5
PDW vs MSMC is like Famas vs AUG in BO1 imo. I'll take the PDW because of the easier recoil pattern. Hmm, that's odd... I find the MSMC easier to control while firing. Along with it's extended 3HK range, that's why I prefer it over the PDW.
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Post by mmacola on Nov 25, 2012 17:20:59 GMT -5
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Post by arcanine2009 on Nov 25, 2012 18:50:37 GMT -5
PDW vs MSMC is like Famas vs AUG in BO1 imo. I'll take the PDW because of the easier recoil pattern. More like Galil Vs Commando, IMO. BTW, what happened to select fire +FAL + target finder being the best gun in the game?
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Post by banana on Nov 25, 2012 20:57:51 GMT -5
PDW vs MSMC is like Famas vs AUG in BO1 imo. I'll take the PDW because of the easier recoil pattern. Hmm, that's odd... I find the MSMC easier to control while firing. Along with it's extended 3HK range, that's why I prefer it over the PDW. I prefer the pdw because of it's 50 round mag
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Post by jaedrik on Nov 25, 2012 21:29:19 GMT -5
Chicom is so much better than that CQB piece of trash Dee Dee Dubya. Fanboyism HOOOOOOOOOOOO!! I kid. . . but I'm serious.
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Post by asasa on Nov 25, 2012 21:40:15 GMT -5
Chicom has no purpose. The other 3 4hk SMGs are better than it, and full auto.
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Post by RageHulkSmash on Nov 25, 2012 21:48:00 GMT -5
PDW vs MSMC is like Famas vs AUG in BO1 imo. I'll take the PDW because of the easier recoil pattern. More like Galil Vs Commando, IMO. BTW, what happened to select fire +FAL + target finder being the best gun in the game? Probably, I didn't use those weapons much lol. Imo most maps cater to smgs. The only map I can think of where I don't use an smg is carrier right now. And the 50 round clip of the pdw is a huge lifesaver against high spm "try-hards."
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Post by confuzzled on Nov 25, 2012 22:41:39 GMT -5
Chicom has no purpose. The other 3 4hk SMGs are better than it, and full auto. No purpose other than raping people with it. The pdw is too slow and it handles very poorly. I think it fires from the hip much more consistently than the pdw as well. While I love the chicom, I'd take an Evo and a B23R as a secondary over the Chicom and the pdw though...any day. Sure the 3HK is nice but in general, putting more bullets down-field faster than your enemy brings good things with it. Combat 101.
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Post by toysrme on Nov 25, 2012 23:20:27 GMT -5
i find the PDW to be an alright gun. in that giving the right situation (a room of 4 people AFK at the menu) you can kill them all on one clip. but given the wrong situation (basically, anyone with a half-way accurate gun looking at you outside of point blank hipfire range where you have to ADS.) you're highly likely to die.
recoil is what keeps the PDW from doing anything insane. the stock ROF is low enough to keep the gun from being great. with RF. it's nothing more than a pray gun. "oh i hope those guys don't have an AR or shotgun...". i much prefer the silenced rapid fire chicom to it. 3hk vs 6hk. doesn't bother me at all. i generally feel like i can land 6 hits before any PDW user can land 3 or 4. up close, it's not even funny how often a pdw get's lulz at by shotguns & faster firing SMG's. at range, it's no match for many AR's.
the PDW is just another classic case of "high alpha damage do not a great gun maketh".
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Post by RageHulkSmash on Nov 25, 2012 23:34:10 GMT -5
I've had my moments with the chicom, but I thought it was good, not great, overall. But rapid fire? I haven't tried that with the chicom specifically. Isn't it going to destroy your longshot capability with it?
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Post by I Am Hollywood5 on Nov 25, 2012 23:58:01 GMT -5
Strange, I much prefer the MSMC. 50 mags is nice but it's not necessary. I'll trade in those 20 bullets for a longer range. That said, if the community keeps telling Vahn the PDW is better, then he wont nerf my lovely MSMC BTW earlier someone said the PDW had lower/easier recoil. Look at he scatter plots. MSMC definitely has lower/easier recoil, that's one of the gun's selling points. While I think the MSMC is better than the PDW, I still think the Skorpion is the king of the SMGs. Also don't forget how good the MP7's range is.
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Post by bm01 on Nov 26, 2012 0:16:50 GMT -5
The MSMC can have a violent kick in three direction, two for the PDW (two axises for both). Theoretically it makes the PDW easier to use, but practically it pretty much forces you to compensate more often. Personally I played both and I don't feel much the difference, actually I'd say it's the lest relevant characteristic to take into account when comparing these two weapons. So basically it's magazine size VS range. - About the magazine, personally I can deal with 30 even if it can become a problem against multiple target that aren't so good. But in my opinion the main issue is that it makes me more vulnerable to grenades (specially tactical grenades), which is a consequence of being less mobile because of the small magazine (here's the paradox of LMGs, huge magazine but you can't really make it worthwhile). So you may find this odd but the Tactical mask somewhat counterbalance this. Anyway the Extended mag is a great attachment here, and even though it doesn't give the same amount of bullet than the PDW has, 40 is enough for me, I never felt the need to have more. - About the range, the MSMC has a slight advantage, but it can be perfectly counterbalanced by the Long barrel. There's nothing much to say about it. The Long barrel is a pretty good attachment on low RoF weapons. - Other characteristics (like the max damage, 35 for the PDW and 40 for the MSMC) don't really matter. In the end the MSMC and PDW are so close that if one of them is the best SMG then the other one isn't far from it, all depends on your preference, the PDW is certainly better for a no-attachment class or if you need a sight, otherwise the MSMC can offer pretty much the same performances. Anyway, Skorpion is the best
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Post by confuzzled on Nov 26, 2012 1:00:17 GMT -5
skorpion is the king of hoping you dont miss I mean once again, vector all the way B23R is the king of I don't give a fuck that I missed... :-) But the evo is so fast you can out kill people who fire first....
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Post by Tyzerra on Nov 26, 2012 11:40:43 GMT -5
I mean once again, vector all the way Vector is my favourite SMG in Black Ops II too
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Post by aidsaidsaids on Nov 26, 2012 15:26:57 GMT -5
Evo is definitely best SMG for doing SMG stuff (Lightweight Excon Dexterity Laser sprayyyyyyyyy). Vector is for greedy people that want an ok SMG that also does some AR stuff (aiming at people outside your range).
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