Spitfire
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Post by Spitfire on Dec 1, 2012 4:30:43 GMT -5
Try this out in game some time. ADS with your weapon and hold down the fire key, then hit the crouch or prone button while still firing. Youre bullets will stray way off target during the transition from one stance to another.
Could this mean the death of Jump + crouch/prone combos?
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Post by RageHulkSmash on Dec 1, 2012 4:38:34 GMT -5
Drop shots will still be useful because you become a smaller target. If what you're saying is true, you'll just sacrifice some accuracy for more evasion doing drop shots, which doesn't sound too bad. And considering how strong hipfiring is, the accuracy penalty won't be enough to stop drop shootting.
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Post by bluespark on Dec 1, 2012 4:48:18 GMT -5
I believe the penalty to drop shotting was mentioned by David Vondehaar even before release. It's basically a nerf to drop shotting, which is fine by me to be honest. I think adding the same concept to crouching was kind of unnecessary, but whatever.
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Post by seanbateman on Dec 1, 2012 5:21:51 GMT -5
It's just another part of the skill equalizing that these awful designers are employing with each release. They want to level the playing field more and more so every player out there can easily get kills, that way really bad kids don't get crapped on constantly and can enjoy the game more. BO2 feels like MW3 part 2 in just the lack of gun skill the game takes to get a kill.
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Post by bm01 on Dec 1, 2012 9:10:23 GMT -5
So basically the player who aims while moving then crouches 0.19s after doesn't have an effective aim for like 0.5s? They could just remove the right click.
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Post by wittyscorpion on Dec 1, 2012 11:33:05 GMT -5
It's just another part of the skill equalizing that these awful designers are employing with each release. They want to level the playing field more and more so every player out there can easily get kills, that way really bad kids don't get crapped on constantly and can enjoy the game more. BO2 feels like MW3 part 2 in just the lack of gun skill the game takes to get a kill. As a dropshotter myself, IMHO in the past drop-shotting is more of a "cheap" tactic than a "skill". Again, as a mediocre player I define "cheapness" as tactics that can help me kill a more skilled player. What BO2 did is to add more "skill" factor to it. You'll have to decide when to use it to trade off accuracy for evasive maneuver.
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Post by aidsaidsaids on Dec 1, 2012 11:56:40 GMT -5
There is no such thing as "cheap." Tactics that let you kill other players are what constitute "skill."
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Post by wittyscorpion on Dec 1, 2012 12:01:15 GMT -5
There is no such thing as "cheap." Tactics that let you kill other players are what constitute "skill." That's a debate we can have all day :-), that's why I put my definition up there. Examples of "cheap" tactics in my book: Noob Tubing (in MW2, especially with Danger Close) Panic K nifing (in past CoD) Drop shotting (borderline cheap) In Halo2: Plasma Pistol charged shot + BR headshot (noob combo) etc. All of these have been nerfed in the later titles, after I mastered them to satisfactory degree (which only takes a small amount of practice) :-)
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Post by asasa on Dec 1, 2012 12:14:15 GMT -5
It's just another part of the skill equalizing that these awful designers are employing with each release. They want to level the playing field more and more so every player out there can easily get kills, that way really bad kids don't get crapped on constantly and can enjoy the game more. BO2 feels like MW3 part 2 in just the lack of gun skill the game takes to get a kill. I never understood the hate dropshotting got/gets. Its just someone going prone. How can you not hit them? I mean, if you used a gun like the BO M14, then dropshotting almost certainly guaranteed you lost that fight, because of the recoil... but thats the only case where I can see dropshotting as 'unfair'. The amount of times I've jumped around a dropshotter far outweigh the times I've died to one. I guess some people just cant aim at a still target?
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Post by aidsaidsaids on Dec 1, 2012 12:24:37 GMT -5
I guess some people just cant aim at a still target? Pretty much. There are a few other considerations about recoil (which you mentioned), flinch mechanics, and gross connectivity advantage, but it's mostly terrible players that really use the auto aim at center mass that hate drop shots.
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Post by wittyscorpion on Dec 1, 2012 12:29:47 GMT -5
I guess some people just cant aim at a still target? Pretty much. There are a few other considerations about recoil (which you mentioned), flinch mechanics, and gross connectivity advantage, but it's mostly terrible players that really use the auto aim at center mass that hate drop shots. Great point on auto aim. I was playing without auto aim (accidentally) yesterday for like 10 games and I had to work very hard to hit any targets. After discovering that and correcting it, I realized how powerful auto aim is in BO2, especially on high sensitivity settings. Drop shot counters auto aim. 3arc probably found out without the accuracy nerf it will be too powerful.
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Post by aidsaidsaids on Dec 1, 2012 12:34:21 GMT -5
I think they went overboard. I mean they nerfed movement while prone too, now drop shotting is a serious risk. If the guy jumps perpendicular to you you can't turn and track him like you can in MW3.
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Post by funcrusher on Dec 1, 2012 12:51:24 GMT -5
I'm glad they provided this penalty. The only problems I have with mods now is the macro function on controllers. I hate going up against a guy that can't fire without dropping.
On a side note, someone mentioned aim assist. Has anyone noticed how heavy the aim assist is in this game. If I ads I will lock on to people through walls. On hijacked in the center area there's the little room and if I just aim at it ill pick up players through walls and be able to pick them off.
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Post by wittyscorpion on Dec 1, 2012 12:52:59 GMT -5
I'm glad they provided this penalty. The only problems I have with mods now is the macro function on controllers. I hate going up against a guy that can't fire without dropping. On a side note, someone mentioned aim assist. Has anyone noticed how heavy the aim assist is in this game. If I ads I will lock on to people through walls. On hijacked in the center area there's the little room and if I just aim at it ill pick up players through walls and be able to pick them off. Yeah, auto aim snap-on is huge.
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Post by moses on Dec 1, 2012 14:22:34 GMT -5
Drop shotting STINKS in BO2. I'm a religious drop shotter, founder and pope of Church of Drop Shot, but in this game it's only good in shotgun range because of the ADS = hip-fire penalty, or if you use Laser Sight. It's also slower in this game, not smooth whatsoever. As soon as I just sacrificed drop shooting in most situations, my fire fights have been far better. The only time drop shooting works in a fair fight anymore is if the opponent clearly can't aim.
In the past, before BO1, drop shooting was effective. Not insta-win effective by any means, but it let you get a few extra bullets off in most head-on fights.
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richardj
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Post by richardj on Dec 1, 2012 17:01:26 GMT -5
Things like drop-shotting, jumping, straffing--they are all to avoid getting hit and are not cheap but skill in my book. I love it when people are prone and I have throwing knives or whatever you call them...easy hit.
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Post by duckcall00 on Dec 1, 2012 17:19:43 GMT -5
I'm not sure where to ask this, so I'll just do it here.
I'm going for gold EOTech and Reflex. The only challenge I have left is Bloodthirsties. It says I have 8, but I have gotten at least 3 more Bloodthirsties while the final kill was ADS. Do all kills need to be ADS for it to count? I am a chronic drop-shotter. If the final shot appears ADS, but was actually fired at hip spread, does it count as ADS or hipfire?
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Post by mmacola on Dec 1, 2012 17:50:29 GMT -5
I think it should count as ADS. I know that, for example, in MW3 there where those RDS shotgun challenges in which I fired as soon as I ADSed, whilst still having the ADS delay... and it counted towards the "Kill an enemy while looking through the RDS" challenge.
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Post by umopapisdn on Dec 2, 2012 2:07:49 GMT -5
I'm upset I switched over to tactical button layout in MW3 to improve my dropshotting ability, only to now find my newly acquired dropshotting prowess useless. I can't just go back now, with my brain reconfigured and all—that'd mess it up even more and I think I'd start trying to fire bullets with the analog stick and sleep standing up.
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GoHarvard
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Post by GoHarvard on Dec 2, 2012 18:53:36 GMT -5
I've been using the Riot Shield as my secondary lately and haven't noticed any accuracy penalties when firing immediately after standing up from crouching.
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Post by theuberelite on Dec 2, 2012 19:06:31 GMT -5
I always ended up hipfiring when I dropshotted anyways because of my tendency to press wasd while dropshotting . But I rarely ever do it anyways, especially on BO2. However, I crouch shot a LOT because of bouncing betties. So that's pretty annoying. +1 for using Laser Sight though I guess.
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Post by I Am Hollywood5 on Dec 2, 2012 19:08:34 GMT -5
Once again, Treyarch panders to the week. The whole "equalizing" thing they do kind of disgusts me sometimes. I don't really care, for the simple reason that I got used to NOT dropshotting due to playing so much BF3, a game where you can't even fire your weapon when you are dropping into prone. When I started playing BO2 I thought I'd have to re-learn dropshotting to keep up with competitive players, but I guess I don't anymore. Oh well, less work for me. It's just another part of the skill equalizing that these awful designers are employing with each release. They want to level the playing field more and more so every player out there can easily get kills, that way really bad kids don't get crapped on constantly and can enjoy the game more. BO2 feels like MW3 part 2 in just the lack of gun skill the game takes to get a kill. Could not have said it better myself. But they will continue to do this kinda stuff, because it appeals to casual players, and the number of casual players far outweighs the number of Touch Football players. So they will gain more casuals, lose some Touch Football players, and have an overall net gain, which equals more money My interest in BO2 has already dropped off immensely do to things like this. Now that I have Far Cry 3, I have literally no desire to play BO2 again any time soon. I've also lost interest in buying the Season Pass.
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Post by anthraxx on Dec 3, 2012 16:09:52 GMT -5
It seems drop shotting gets me killed more times than not because people get a lucky headshot hit.
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Post by 42 on Dec 4, 2012 9:04:50 GMT -5
My interest in BO2 has already dropped off immensely do to things like this. Now that I have Far Cry 3, I have literally no desire to play BO2 again any time soon. I've also lost interest in buying the Season Pass. Fine then. Don't play it anymore and please stop complaining about it. I'm sick of reading your pedantic posts.
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Post by asasa on Dec 4, 2012 10:58:38 GMT -5
Those are separate things.
Taking things that separate the weak from the skilled and matching players with people of their own skill levels.
Just because they both involve the word "skill" doesnt make them the same thing.
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Post by asasa on Dec 4, 2012 11:19:18 GMT -5
Because its a game where no matter how much better you are than your opponents, you WILL die?
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Post by asasa on Dec 4, 2012 11:29:26 GMT -5
Its funny how you act all tough when you're a self admitted bad player, and are on a platform where there arent enough players to have SKMM. None of this affects you negatively.
I do like competition periodically. And League Play was an awesome addition for that.
Having it every match is stupid.
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Post by asasa on Dec 4, 2012 11:37:03 GMT -5
You know SBMM caters to casuals, do you not?
As I said, they arent even related.
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Post by wings on Dec 4, 2012 11:37:07 GMT -5
How is the dropshotting nerf an issue when there's something similar with shotguns?
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Post by PassiveVengance on Dec 4, 2012 11:53:21 GMT -5
And yeah I'm not very good. I wont for a second think you are if you can't deal with being put up against equals. ^^This
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