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Post by kirayamato on Dec 1, 2012 10:41:18 GMT -5
i think in this game fast mags is the clear winner i just can't see it except a few guns its only giving like lets say on the msmc 10 bullets but the fast mags makes in almost 2x fast too reload so anyone got any legit charts or stats we can look into
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Post by danoski666 on Dec 1, 2012 10:42:38 GMT -5
Aye, if EM is nerfed and SoH has exactly the same cost, SoH wins 99% of the time, except the likes of MP7 with super-fast reloads.
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Post by sh58 on Dec 1, 2012 11:02:07 GMT -5
But do fast mags give you more ammo, I thought that was an advantage with ext mags on top of the extra ammo per magazine
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Post by danoski666 on Dec 1, 2012 11:06:04 GMT -5
Oh, completely forgot about that. NVM, ignore my previous post.
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Post by wittyscorpion on Dec 1, 2012 11:10:41 GMT -5
Fast Mags only makes reload faster. How much varies by weapon: denkirson.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=5409Extended "Clip" gives you more ammo per "clip", but I was told that it also makes reload take longer. Obviously it will also give you more total ammo. If you have great reload control discipline, EC will make sense, especially if you have good longevity and ammo depletion can be a concern . For players who have "impulsive reload disorder", Fast Mag greatly simplifies your life.
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Post by Lexapro on Dec 1, 2012 11:48:33 GMT -5
Extended Mags giving extra ammo was very useful in MW3 when you only started with 2 extra mags in reserve. In BO2, you typically start with the 3 so the benefit isn't as big.
Since Ex. Clips increases mag size by on average 33%, you're only gaining 1 extra magazines worth of bullets. Previously, Ex. Mags increased mag size by 50%, so you'd get 1.5 extra magazine worth of ammo.
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Post by volgon on Dec 1, 2012 11:50:15 GMT -5
Don't forget that Fast Mags is also nerfed on most weapons; it's not 50% reduction like SoH was. So you have nerfed SoH (with only reload speed increase) vs nerfed ExMags (which also gives you bonus ammo).
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Post by aidsaidsaids on Dec 1, 2012 11:53:33 GMT -5
Also bear in mind that Scavenger and attachments cost the same, so using emags just for the extra ammo is probably an inefficient use of resources (especially if you use any equipment).
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Post by funcrusher on Dec 1, 2012 11:59:35 GMT -5
I go extended mags just due to my inaccuracy and the games spawn system which almost ensures that you never run into one player by himself. Kill 2 or 3 players, drop to the ground, reload.
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Post by asasa on Dec 1, 2012 12:18:14 GMT -5
Don't forget that Fast Mags is also nerfed on most weapons; it's not 50% reduction like SoH was. So you have nerfed SoH (with only reload speed increase) vs nerfed ExMags (which also gives you bonus ammo). This. There are a few cases where fast mags are nice, but for the most part, Ex Mags is a lot better... unless there is truth to the 10% reload duration increase. What really sucks about fast mags is that ADD time is barely reduced.
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Post by wittyscorpion on Dec 1, 2012 12:32:31 GMT -5
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Post by funcrusher on Dec 1, 2012 12:43:38 GMT -5
Wow, those AR reload times.... No wonder everyone uses smgs.
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Post by Lexapro on Dec 1, 2012 13:25:50 GMT -5
There is the argument that reload canceling is just as fast as fast mags whereas there's nothing you can do to emulate the ext. clips effect. I buy that if you're good at doing it consistently.
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Post by asasa on Dec 1, 2012 14:01:24 GMT -5
By almost nothing. A .5s reduction on basically all ARs, probably .4s on SMGs. So like 30%, which isnt terrible I suppose.
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Post by moses on Dec 1, 2012 14:40:16 GMT -5
EM can beef up certain guns situationally. On the KAP-40, it goes from a probably 2 man kill in the clip to a definite 2 man kill. On the MSMC, it goes from a 2-3 man kill to a 3-4 man kill with EM. On the Vector and Skorpion, it boosts their applications way up. Basically, EM helps a lot on smaller clips. The average fire fight has anywhere from 1-3 opponents, with time to reload after the engagement more often than not.
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Post by banana on Dec 1, 2012 14:59:57 GMT -5
Don't forget that Fast Mags is also nerfed on most weapons; it's not 50% reduction like SoH was. So you have nerfed SoH (with only reload speed increase) vs nerfed ExMags (which also gives you bonus ammo). This. There are a few cases where fast mags are nice, but for the most part, Ex Mags is a lot better... unless there is truth to the 10% reload duration increase.What really sucks about fast mags is that ADD time is barely reduced. Where's marvel when we need him
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Post by GoHarvard on Dec 1, 2012 15:02:19 GMT -5
For players who have "impulsive reload disorder", My name is Bob and I have impulsive reload disorder.
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Post by Evan950 on Dec 1, 2012 19:05:13 GMT -5
like a said in one post, one way you could justify this is by finding reloads per bullet with ext mag and fast mags on. basically, anything with a smaller mag benefits from etx better than fast
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Post by Megaqwerty on Dec 1, 2012 22:17:34 GMT -5
On LMGs, I find that extended clip is generally a better idea than fast mags.
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Post by asasa on Dec 1, 2012 22:22:15 GMT -5
That would make sense, considering that you shouldnt be reloading a lot with LMGs, and extended... clip, helps with that. Fast mags promotes reloading all the time.
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Post by Lexapro on Dec 1, 2012 23:56:07 GMT -5
That would also make sense considering LMGs don't have a Fast Mags attachment...
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Post by asasa on Dec 2, 2012 0:03:23 GMT -5
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Post by asasa on Dec 2, 2012 0:07:27 GMT -5
that damn ostrich is going to eat you
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Post by RageHulkSmash on Dec 2, 2012 1:44:49 GMT -5
Don't f uck with birds.
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