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Post by pooneega on Nov 14, 2010 15:58:14 GMT -5
Not too long from now I have a feeling I'll be playing nothing but wager matches. The ones I've played are incredibly fun and pretty intense. A few things I'd like to comment on, though... One in the Chamber: Make UAV go up when there's 3 guys left instead of just two. Especially on the larger one in the chamber maps the tactical loitering gets a little ridiculous... Besides that I have no complaints with this game type. Gun Game: Probably the least frustrating of all the wager matches. Going through the same weapons might get boring after a while. When it comes down to the last two weapons it seems to be more about who has the best connection instead of who the better shooter is. Getting crossbow/ballistic knife kills with a one/two-bar connection is borderline impossible. That's more of a netcode complaint than anything else... not necessarily mad at the game type for that. Sticks and Stones: Tomahawk is WAY too powerful. Dont know how many times I've outscored everyone in kills by about 8-10 and then a tomahawk to the leg sends me back to 0 putting me out of the money. Maybe knocking the player back about 200 points or so will suffice but completely bankrupt has everyone chucking tomahawks at u like mad by the end of the round, especially if you're 1st place. I think infinite ammo would be a nice touch since you get, what, only 3 arrows and two knives. After running out of ammo you're just asking to get a tomahawk to the face since you basically have to knife after that. All in all though I think the wager matches are among the better ideas Treyarch has had in the COD series
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Post by mw0swedeking on Nov 15, 2010 2:04:56 GMT -5
Yeah, I have to agree, albeit sorta. The only Wager match I can stand is Gun Game, and it's far from perfect.
Actually the reason I probably like it so much is because they made the maps decent sized for FFA, as opposed to actual FFA which can be obnoxious.
Anyway. One in the Chamber is alright, it's not as fast paced as I like my CoD to be, and hit detection makes it kinda upsetting at times.
Gun Game is definitely my favorite, but also not perfect. My biggest complaint is the knife "setback" rule. I played a game today in which I was setback 7 times (also, that's the game theater didn't record, go figure). Even if I only get setback once, it really doesn't seem like a good rule. I like that they don't get to advance for it, but setting a player back is pretty dumb. Also the explosives section can be pretty obnoxious, as the Rockets don't fly straight and sometimes don't kill people it seems they should. Also the second rocket and "thumper" thing have hideous reload times. Still this game has a great pace, and if enough money's on the line gives me that S&D last man standing feeling of excitement that's worth playing for.
Sticks and stones I pretty much gave up on right off the bat. We have two primary weapons which aren't very effective (and should DEFINITELY have infinite ammo), and then a tomahawk which is (at the very least) just as effective as them, which resets peoples score? And then a knife. It pretty much devolves into knifing and tomahawking as is. Really not even enjoyable IMO.
And what's the other one? That one would be fine if not for the tomahawk again. It's ridiculous. You're having a fun time and then suddenly you're not. I only play it for the low buy in mode, cause it's actually kinda fun, but not something to invest in'
I would really like a gametype that uses the smaller maps, but is essentially straight up CoD, for money. At the very least, a pistols only or snipers only or something gametype in the Wager match playlist.
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Post by chip sandwich on Nov 15, 2010 2:22:16 GMT -5
I've only played Sharpshooter and I hate it. It's okay when you go with a decent gun, and can get some strategy going, but when the game puts on its trollface and picks akimbo anything or silenced pistols then it just turns into a mess, because everyone goes to the middle and if you want kills, you have to as well.
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Post by niteshadex on Nov 15, 2010 7:12:27 GMT -5
I like sharpshooter, but the games desire to choose dual wields makes it less "sharpshooter" and more "spray like hell, then run and knife." It'd be cool if their were restrictions in that gamemode, once it chose Grim Reapers, lots of fun...
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Post by qupie on Nov 15, 2010 9:18:44 GMT -5
I've only played Sharpshooter and I hate it. It's okay when you go with a decent gun, and can get some strategy going, but when the game puts on its trollface and picks akimbo anything or silenced pistols then it just turns into a mess, because everyone goes to the middle and if you want kills, you have to as well. it is a wager match, it is not normal COD, if you are not up to running around with some crazy fucked up tactics you should just not play them.... it what they are ment to do... I would hate it if you only cycle AR for example, because then it would be normal FFA....
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Post by chip sandwich on Nov 15, 2010 12:13:37 GMT -5
I've only played Sharpshooter and I hate it. It's okay when you go with a decent gun, and can get some strategy going, but when the game puts on its trollface and picks akimbo anything or silenced pistols then it just turns into a mess, because everyone goes to the middle and if you want kills, you have to as well. it is a wager match, it is not normal COD, if you are not up to running around with some crazy Foxtroted up tactics you should just not play them.... it what they are ment to do... I would hate it if you only cycle AR for example, because then it would be normal FFA.... I didn't say "overpowered gun", I said decent gun. I was okay running around the middle with an explosive crossbow or M60, but running around the middle with Akimbo Makarov's just doesn't float my boat.
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Post by dconnorz on Nov 15, 2010 12:47:51 GMT -5
When I play sticks and stones, the match doesn't even start until the last 30 seconds. Every player has a minimum of 7 setbacks, and a max of about 11. The player in first has about 100 points, the player in second is around 30-50, and the last 4 players tie for third with 0 points. So in my experience, the winner of the gametype feels like it's random, but it's obviously not, becuase the player who usually wins it also has the highest total cod points, so there's some theory behind it I just haven't figured out yet.
One in the chamber is great all around gametype. It really stresses game theory. if you lose, it's completely your fault.
Gun game is pretty easy to control the pace of the match, fun, but can get repetitive.
sharpshooter is boooooooring. No actual strategy, just boring weapon grinding.
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Post by toysrme on Nov 15, 2010 14:20:03 GMT -5
sharpshooter is fun. the cycling weapons give everyone's playstyle a chance at scoring. one in the chamber is Foxtrotting stupid. most halfway good players can get a killstreak going on just by not being a total idiot. eventually you just wind up sitting on opposite sides of the map. Hitting the start button to watch the big radar & waiting for the #2 player to run at the #1 player. sticks & stones is really fun... Till the first time you hit 25 kills and get tomahawked. Climb back into first place at 28 kills & get tomahawked again. Stupid ass gametype. Double, triple the value of tomahawk kills, fine. But dont penalize my ass for some moron auto-aiming, poor spawning logic ass-hat lag tossing a tomahawk in my ass 2 seconds after i spawn, when you give me a weapon that has a 3 second time to kill.
gun game is fun, but there's only so many times you can play 10,000 wager gun game matches on firing range & nuketown before it's just not fun.
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Post by aequinox on Nov 15, 2010 14:35:33 GMT -5
Sticks and Stones would be made infinitely better if Tomahawk took away exactly half of the current points of the player hit, instead of all. Would make for a much more balanced and more exciting gameplay, if you ask me.
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Post by coelomate on Nov 15, 2010 17:59:03 GMT -5
One thing that bugs me is that after the wager match, the total CoD points of all 6 players remains unchanged. After an hour of wager matches, some will be (big) winners and others will be (big) losers. But if all six people had been playing, say, FFA matches - then all 6 would have been racking up CoD points the whole time. I don't think it would be unbalanced to either up the rewards for the top 3 players to include more CoD points than were wagered, or to give CoD points for playing/killing like normal maps.
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Post by dconnorz on Nov 16, 2010 16:15:08 GMT -5
Sticks and Stones would be made infinitely better if Tomahawk took away exactly half of the current points of the player hit, instead of all. Would make for a much more balanced and more exciting gameplay, if you ask me. How would weakening the tomahawk make the game more exciting? Just means the guy in the lead holds the lead. That's not a wager! That's just normal gameplay!
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Post by mw0swedeking on Nov 16, 2010 16:32:57 GMT -5
The problem is that there is too much of an element of chance. No one wants to bet their credits on something they don't feel confident they can consistently win. To be honest, I'd like to be able to Wager on normal gameplay... why every single Wager match needs a bullshit twist it beyond me.
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Post by fazzmania on Nov 16, 2010 16:39:26 GMT -5
I wish Gun Game could be playable on TDM, that would just be amazing. It fits much better in a team setting I feel.
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Post by ecomni on Nov 16, 2010 17:16:08 GMT -5
I really like gun game. But I don't like the wager amount. It jumps from 10 Points to 1000? Why not a 100 or 300 increment?
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Post by themccannman on Nov 16, 2010 18:28:17 GMT -5
All of the wager matches i've played are jsut full of prepubescent little turds that scream through the entire game and rage quit, gun game was ok but one int he chamber is a campers game, nobody ever moves and the screwed up spawns made me lose all three of my lives within 15 seconds of the game start :facepalm: and the entire rest of the game was 10 mins of tactical loitering.
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Post by whoknows10 on Nov 16, 2010 23:29:43 GMT -5
Gun Game with 12 year olds was the most fun I had in a long time One of them tried to snipe me with the L96, missed, then I did a 180 and killed him with the China Lake from across the map, he was raging madly after that, saying I can't do that
As a bonus, the China Lake is my most hated weapon
I think the best way to improve it is to have a random gun selection The first gun should always be the Phython and the last should be the ballistic knife, but 2-19 should a pre-determined random weapon Of course the orders of weapons is the same for everyone but I think this will make gun game more fun
One in the chamber should be modified to infinite spawns
I also wish you could earn a set amount of exp for playing wager matches...
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Post by mw0swedeking on Nov 17, 2010 1:16:11 GMT -5
Gun Game with 12 year olds was the most fun I had in a long time One of them tried to snipe me with the L96, missed, then I did a 180 and killed him with the China Lake from across the map, he was raging madly after that, saying I can't do that As a bonus, the China Lake is my most hated weapon agreedI think the best way to improve it is to have a random gun selection The first gun should always be the Phython and the last should be the ballistic knife, but 2-19 should a pre-determined random weapon Of course the orders of weapons is the same for everyone but I think this will make gun game more fun agreedOne in the chamber should be modified to infinite spawns agreedI also wish you could earn a set amount of exp for playing wager matches... agreedAlso wanted to point out that I have never had a game get "doubled down"... what's with that? And I've had some suspicious connection problems the last two times I played wager match, which is really frustrating. I don't know it was a lag switch (because I've only heard the term, and don't know what it would look like to encounter), and it probably wasn't because it seemed to be only affecting me, but it seems like something the CoD community would do... Basically I kept bouncing back and forth between 1 and 3 bars, which seemed suspicious since it hadn't happened all day. But I digress.
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Post by otter on Nov 17, 2010 6:39:57 GMT -5
My favorite is actually Sharpshooter, its the one I feel most confident playing and probably the only one I would play higher than 10points (at least for now). The guns seem completely random, some games good selections, some games bad selections, most games a mix of both. I dont like launchers in Sharpshooter, my only tactic with them is to find a spot where I can keep shooting through doorways hoping to kill somebody.
Do the possible gun selections change for different "stakes"? In Ante up most of the setups are very unusual (most pistols will be dual wielded or silenced, smgs: same thing plus ones with acog, and ARs with infrared). In Weekend gambler you get single pistols including the python, single unsilenced smgs, and ARs without ridiculous scopes, all things that I dont recall ever getting in Ante Up.
Gun Game gets me frustrated. I'll have a good lead then I get a sniper rifle and cant kill anybody. I always push too hard trying to keep a good lead and take the gun beyond the limits it has in the game. ("well, theres your problem")
One in the Chamber is fun at the start but when people start getting knocked out players start tactical loitering more. At the end the two guys left just wait for the other to expose themselves first. In my experience the games dont last too long which i like, and you win by getting the most kills not by out surviving everyone, which is definitely good.
Sticks and Stones is really fun if you dont care much about winning (I stick to ante up for this one). I agree the penalty for getting hawked is too severe, why not have it give you credit for 2 kills while not penalizing the other person? There seem to be people who play it basically to tomahawk as many people as they can. I've been in games with players who ill see over and over walking around holding down the throw button.
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Post by otter on Nov 17, 2010 6:49:52 GMT -5
About team based wager matches:
I saw a video where David Vonderhaar said they wanted to include team based wager modes, but they didnt like the idea of people losing points because of other people on their team. Couldn't they make it so in order to play a team wager match you had to get a full team together (4 players?) and join as a party. That way you get to choose exactly who will be on your team.
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Post by Flubadoo on Nov 17, 2010 6:50:56 GMT -5
Holy shit. On Gun Game, the LAW rocket launcher and akimbo pistols.
They get me everytime. I almost never get a kill with the LAW. It's ridiculous.
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Post by fazzmania on Nov 17, 2010 6:51:43 GMT -5
I don't think that would work very well on PC though.
The best solution is simply to forgo the cod points wagering and just have it as TDM with the modes overlayed. It's not like anyone actually needs points anyway.
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Post by mw0swedeking on Nov 17, 2010 12:15:17 GMT -5
The LAW is one of the worst. Akimbo pistols is only bad because at the time you get it, other players either have Magnums (longer effective range) or shotguns, each of which is difficult to face with akimbo makarovs
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Post by mw0swedeking on Nov 18, 2010 15:24:03 GMT -5
Just tried "High Roller" Scratch that, was gonna try... you don't get to choose which gametype to play? Terrible, seeing as I only like 1.
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Post by kalar on Nov 18, 2010 17:34:34 GMT -5
One in the Chamber is by far my favorite, although getting a game full of campers is beyond annoying. If everyone runs and guns, its the most intense and enjoyable CoD experience I've had so far.
Sticks and Stones is utter trash. The first 3-4 minutes is just a timewaster, since it really comes down to who can avoid the tomahawk for the last two minutes. Very noob friendly since it boils down to situational luck more than skill.
Gun Game is alright, just doesn't click with me for some reason. Haven't tried sharpshooter.
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Post by mw0swedeking on Nov 18, 2010 18:09:45 GMT -5
I just played a game of sharpshooter, and I think I was confused before. I must not have played it before, but thought I did, because I thought there was a score resetting thing. Anyway I had fun playing it, although the people I played with were terrible, and I can see how whoever starts out good can go on a real tear since (correct me if I'm wrong) it seemed the perks you unlock were always SoH, Steady Aim, and Lightweight, all of which actually give you a pretty large advantage with (particularly) shotguns and akimbo weapons. Add to that the 2x score multiplier... It's alright though. Just be the one with all the perks
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Post by whoknows10 on Nov 19, 2010 4:26:26 GMT -5
LAW is actually fine, 1 shot is all you should need which the LAW is fairly good at
Sharpshooter get really annoying when people start overusing tomahawks, I got tomahawked 4 times in one game and still ended up in 3rd place Also it was that reason I spent the last minute of a different game running away from everyone because I had 400 more points than 2nd place IMO: Ballistic Knife >>>> Crossbow
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Post by mw0swedeking on Nov 19, 2010 11:02:14 GMT -5
There is no tomahawk in sharpshooter. You mean sticks and stones?
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Post by niteshadex on Nov 22, 2010 23:54:30 GMT -5
I can't stand one in the chamber. Literally everyone camps, hard, every game. Sticks n stones is luck, because people will abuse the tomahawk. I do like sharpshooter, I wish it'd remove akimbos and launchers though... Gun game is fun, but I was it was mor variety instead of a strict order. ie weak pistol-akimbo pistol, instead of "Magum-Akimbo Makarovs"
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