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Post by RageHulkSmash on Nov 15, 2010 5:32:34 GMT -5
Hey, this is my first message but I've been a long time reader.
I was wondering if there are any findings on attachments that change the stats of certain weapons on black ops. Like in mw2, the holo sight would make the m16 more accurate and no attachments on the ak47 made it more accurate. Stuff like this.
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Post by niteshadex on Nov 15, 2010 7:16:40 GMT -5
Nothing yet, but I'm assuming the AK74u has some attachment quirk to keep from it from being massively OP...
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Post by Den on Nov 15, 2010 9:00:46 GMT -5
Haven't seen anything big except for the CZ 75 lowering damage with Full Auto, though I haven't been looking much at the weapon data. I've been converting all of the weapon/perk/streak/item images from IWI to DDS to something web-compatible.
I don't see any discrepancies on the AK74u variations. With the exception of the ACOG doing its usual lowering of CenterSpeed (1300) and Grip just about canceling that out (1550), every variation is completely the same aside from their obvious changes like the Silencer.
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Post by mdnl on Nov 15, 2010 10:42:24 GMT -5
The Youtube commentators are now claiming the Commando with Reflex has M4 MW2 recoil
I tested and if there is a recoil difference, it is minimal.
Won't be the first or last time one of these guys claims something as gospel only to be proved wrong.
Another one they're saying now is putting a silencer on a gun adds bullets to kill, specifically someone said the 74u is about 8 bullets at range with a silencer.
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Post by [N7] SakuyaFM on Nov 15, 2010 10:51:27 GMT -5
The Youtube commentators are now claiming the Commando with Reflex has M4 MW2 recoil I tested and if there is a recoil difference, it is minimal. Won't be the first or last time one of these guys claims something as gospel only to be proved wrong. Another one they're saying now is putting a silencer on a gun adds bullets to kill, specifically someone said the 74u is about 8 bullets at range with a silencer. There's a higher kick to it than the M4. At least it doesn't shoot as fast.
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Post by niteshadex on Nov 15, 2010 10:56:28 GMT -5
Commando is basically the CoD4 M4, imo. I think it "feels" familiar, which isnt a bad thing.
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Post by mdnl on Nov 15, 2010 11:01:39 GMT -5
Commando is basically the CoD4 M4, imo. I think it "feels" familiar, which isnt a bad thing. Recoil is different, COD4 is 50 40 40 30 and BO is 60 60 60 30, same center speed. What I don't understand is why I'm much more comfortable with the Commando than I am the the AK47 when they look identical statistically.
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Post by sly on Nov 15, 2010 14:05:23 GMT -5
What I don't understand is why I'm much more comfortable with the Commando than I am the the AK47 when they look identical statistically. I think the AK47 still has substantial "view recoil" in that the gun seems to be jumping a lot despite the fact that it's still shooting just as accurately. That might be it.
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Post by fazzmania on Nov 15, 2010 16:43:29 GMT -5
Yeah, it can be a bit hard seeing if you're aiming on target with the AK, particually if you're using the irons.
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Post by RageHulkSmash on Nov 15, 2010 17:48:24 GMT -5
I noticed the g11 has more recoil with the sight attachments but I think this is similar to the acog effect.
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Post by skitrel on Nov 15, 2010 18:11:36 GMT -5
I don't think the G11 has more recoil with attachments, I think it's just extra screen wobble like the AK47 compared with the Commando.
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Post by goofoffjw on Nov 15, 2010 21:34:59 GMT -5
The G11 scopes have sway, that might be what you're noticing. I have no idea if they lower center speed as well.
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Post by Den on Nov 15, 2010 22:45:46 GMT -5
The Youtube commentators are now claiming the Commando with Reflex has M4 MW2 recoil Nope.
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Post by turdferguson on Nov 16, 2010 0:08:44 GMT -5
If you put a GL on the M14 it adds some extra heat shields (or whatever they are; I'm no gun expert) to the weapon model. Looks pretty cool, but it doesnt have any functional significance.
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Post by turdferguson on Nov 16, 2010 1:28:20 GMT -5
One more thing. Looks like the G11 has less sway when prone with both scopes. Den, can you confirm that?
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Post by Den on Nov 16, 2010 1:32:52 GMT -5
One more thing. Looks like the G11 has less sway when prone with both scopes. Den, can you confirm that? Yep, it's 60 IdleAmount is cut down to 24 when Prone. No other scope weapon has any improved idle factors.
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Post by skitrel on Nov 16, 2010 7:34:50 GMT -5
Now THAT'S useful information, any similar effect for crouching Den?
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Post by themccannman on Nov 17, 2010 0:31:45 GMT -5
hey den what are the differences between the red dot and reflex? this has probably been asked multiple times but i didn't see any threads immediately pertaining to this and i figured this would eba good place to ask, also are there any stat changes caused by either of these sights?
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Post by imrlybord7 on Nov 17, 2010 0:55:14 GMT -5
They just look different.
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Post by RageHulkSmash on Nov 17, 2010 1:27:26 GMT -5
I don't think the G11 has more recoil with attachments, I think it's just extra screen wobble like the AK47 compared with the Commando. Really? My friend and I were doing local split screen and we noticed the bullet holes were more spread out with the scopes than with iron sights. The iron sights can snipe across the map with almost perfect accuracy. But the bullet holes were showing up different for each player so I don't know which ones to go by =|
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Post by chip sandwich on Nov 17, 2010 7:01:20 GMT -5
Akimbo HS10s reload the whole shell capacity in one go, whereas the single wield HS10 only goes one at a time. The Akimbos make up for it by being horribly inaccurate. I still like them though.
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Post by Ishbane on Nov 17, 2010 8:43:51 GMT -5
The akimbo Makarov's minimum hipspread when standing is equal to the one when prone.
Now that's useful!
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Post by RageHulkSmash on Nov 23, 2010 3:33:32 GMT -5
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Post by caboose on Nov 23, 2010 5:52:12 GMT -5
I knew the M16 was good with an ACOG! Thanks for confirming it, Scythemage! By the way I have trouble reading some of the color differences in that chart, since my color vision isn't 100%. Am I the only one?
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Post by n1gh7 on Nov 23, 2010 5:54:33 GMT -5
SCB is red/blue colorblind.
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Post by caboose on Nov 23, 2010 6:07:06 GMT -5
Well I don't mean colorblind necessarily, but having trouble seeing the difference between some of the colors?
I found a tiny discrepancy: Grip adds 200 to center speed on the M60, except with Warlord and the ACOG (useful for single shoting). It adds 300 instead, which makes the ACOG a viable option.
EDIT: Another one - Python ACOG actually adds range, like is stated in the in game statistics (which, you know, pretty much always lie).
EDIT2: I don't recommend using ACOG on an M60 anyway, since it is best used close-medium range where it has the 2-shot-to kill ability.
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Post by Ishbane on Nov 23, 2010 14:19:13 GMT -5
I knew the M16 was good with an ACOG! Thanks for confirming it, Scythemage! By the way I have trouble reading some of the color differences in that chart, since my color vision isn't 100%. Am I the only one? Sadly there are only so many colors i can pick which are easy to distinguish when cluttered with, even for those unimpaired.
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Post by avemcree on Nov 23, 2010 15:50:53 GMT -5
seems like most people be on here to learn new ways to be cheap while playing a video game...
I can tell you if you warlord an SMG w/ rapid fire & grip (mainly the 74u, Spectre, MPL) or silencer you will have a super mean hip fire weapon... it still can kill in ADS from a decent distance but your ammo will run out fast ofcouse... rapid fire w/ SOHO works well too but you will be on radar longer than normal meaning you will be lunch meat
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Post by caboose on Nov 23, 2010 17:10:05 GMT -5
seems like most people be on here to learn new ways to be cheap while playing a video game... How about actually finding out what the real statistics of the guns are, as opposed to the lying bullcrap that is in the game.
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Post by RageHulkSmash on Nov 23, 2010 19:39:15 GMT -5
Well I don't mean colorblind necessarily, but having trouble seeing the difference between some of the colors? I found a tiny discrepancy: Grip adds 200 to center speed on the M60, except with Warlord and the ACOG (useful for single shoting). It adds 300 instead, which makes the ACOG a viable option. EDIT: Another one - Python ACOG actually adds range, like is stated in the in game statistics (which, you know, pretty much always lie). EDIT2: I don't recommend using ACOG on an M60 anyway, since it is best used close-medium range where it has the 2-shot-to kill ability. I don't think acog adds to center speed on the m60. The chart says grip+acog has 1400 center speed.
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