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Post by acinom on Nov 24, 2011 14:32:36 GMT -5
Dear all bros:
I'm in this community since MW2, but I haven't really get into any discussion, mainly I just watching all posts and think by my own.
I learned a lot of tricks and gun stats from Den and everyone here. I even translate some threads in my language to those players who do not understand English.
Now I am think what could I do to the community. I know lots of elites players here, but I didn't really see too much talking about in-game tactics or map spots.
So I decide to create a thread to share my game experience and to discuss with bros here. There is no specfic topic, it could be any aspects related to the game. You can ask me any questions or give any topic.
Personally I think I am above average, I got negative KD before lv35 in MW3,(in MW2 I was in negative before 3rd prestige), then I start to improve it match by match, it dramatically raised now. I did not play too much a day, but I saved a few SS, here is reference, so you can know what level I'm in.
BTW, I mainly play SnD, ground war and FFA.
I am lv80 now, and I have no plan to go prestige, I prestige a lot in MW2, and I still lose badly no matter what score I got. I keep going suiside to refresh the killstreak.
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Post by adw1983 on Nov 24, 2011 14:36:10 GMT -5
THIS. ... You do realize that you failed in at least two of those screenshots, right? You can go 1000 - 1 and still be a loser. Oh. And this reminds me: WHY THE HECK are kills and deaths even shown in the game statistics for domination, where ONLY captures, defends and score matters?
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Post by acinom on Nov 24, 2011 14:41:47 GMT -5
Well, I have not got more than 100 kill in a match, in MW2, especially in game which I didnt take nuke with me, I lose very often.
In Mw3. it's still happens, sometimes i got decent score in match and we still lose.
adw1983 gives a good question there,
in fact, kill is not that unimportant in those Domination game.
More kills means you suppressed your enemy, the kills I mentioned here is not only refered to one player like me i got decnet KD, it's refers the whole teams.
More been killed, means ppl need to respawn more, take more time to run into the capture point and fail more. You cant capture a point by kill no one. You need to send them in respawn to do it.
overall, it's part of the contribution score.
some playera might die a lot but capture a lot of flags, some might die that much but has decent amount of kills, they might end with have similar contribution score, and you can not deny player's conbribution, one or the other. They can not win by they own, mine one is a good example.
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Post by adw1983 on Nov 24, 2011 14:45:55 GMT -5
Hint; Score < Winning
Capturing and defending flags with your life --> Winning
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Post by ParaGoombaSlayer on Nov 24, 2011 14:47:23 GMT -5
You do realize that you failed in at least two of those screenshots, right? You can go 1000 - 1 and still be a loser. Oh. And this reminds me: WHY THE HECK are kills and deaths even shown in the game statistics for domination, where ONLY captures, defends and score matters? There is some value to making sure the enemy team spends the majority of their time waiting to respawn, lol. He more than played his part, it's not his fault that the rest of his team wasn't good enough to capitalize on his success.
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Post by acinom on Nov 24, 2011 15:03:56 GMT -5
Thanks ParaGoombaSlayer 's understanding.
I post that two is not aim for whining or blame my teammate, I usually play alone or with only 1 friend, not with 7~8 friends in party,
so I usually be a sniper, defending or cover unknow teammates actively.
Just to let you know what type of player I am.
BTW, tactical loitering in one corner in whole match will not guarantee score like that, no matter what game mode is.
Even I am a sniper, I still win most CQB, otherwise I would not die that few.
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Post by Ishbane on Nov 24, 2011 15:41:10 GMT -5
ZOMG LOK AT MAH AWESOME K/D nvm dom.
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Post by cashmoves on Nov 24, 2011 15:58:55 GMT -5
ill bite.
one thing ive learned in mw3, and correct me if my experience is not representative bros, is that while tactical loitering is 99% of the time frowned upon by me (there are certainly times when i cannot fault a bro from tactical loitering) and i do not condone tactical loitering, i would recommend finding you favorite area of a map for each map, considering your playstyle and setup, and trying to completely own that part of the map. i think that the maps are small enough, and the gameplay quick enough, that you do not have to wage war on every part of maps, you can get as high of a killstreak as you want, and really only control your area. i never played this way before. in mw2 i sniped mainly, but ran around like a banshee with m9 + tac knife bc my perks were marathon, cold blooded, commando (yes, even sniping with the barret, learn how to aim bros). in black ops i was ONLY an m16 + acog and hardened bro, and again roamed all over the place. however, ive noticed that one can actually have a bit of a 'defensive' style in mw3, while still be very offensive, ie, getting boatloads of kills.
what do you bros think? i know this is no new strategy, i just think that mw3 is very much suited to it. again i dont mean camp in one area, i just mean control maybe your quarter to a third of the map. if you snipe, thats going to be the more wide open, wide view areas. if you sub machine gun, thats going to be the high traffic areas/ buildings.
anyway, if not a tip, it might at least be a new way to approach some games. obviously, it only really applies to the kill confirmed, tdm, groundwar modes. i do not recommend this for SnD. also, in domination, you have to bust out of your zone sometimes to recapture other dom points, but for the most part, you can focus on the dom point in the area that most suits your play style.
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Post by acinom on Nov 24, 2011 16:23:11 GMT -5
ill bite. one thing ive learned in mw3, and correct me if my experience is not representative bros, is that while tactical loitering is 99% of the time frowned upon by me (there are certainly times when i cannot fault a bro from tactical loitering) and i do not condone tactical loitering, i would recommend finding you favorite area of a map for each map, considering your playstyle and setup, and trying to completely own that part of the map. i think that the maps are small enough, and the gameplay quick enough, that you do not have to wage war on every part of maps, you can get as high of a killstreak as you want, and really only control your area. i never played this way before. in mw2 i sniped mainly, but ran around like a banshee with m9 + tac knife bc my perks were marathon, cold blooded, commando (yes, even sniping with the barret, learn how to aim bros). in black ops i was ONLY an m16 + acog and hardened bro, and again roamed all over the place. however, ive noticed that one can actually have a bit of a 'defensive' style in mw3, while still be very offensive, ie, getting boatloads of kills. what do you bros think? i know this is no new strategy, i just think that mw3 is very much suited to it. again i dont mean camp in one area, i just mean control maybe your quarter to a third of the map. if you snipe, thats going to be the more wide open, wide view areas. if you sub machine gun, thats going to be the high traffic areas/ buildings. anyway, if not a tip, it might at least be a new way to approach some games. obviously, it only really applies to the kill confirmed, tdm, groundwar modes. i do not recommend this for SnD. also, in domination, you have to bust out of your zone sometimes to recapture other dom points, but for the most part, you can focus on the dom point in the area that most suits your play style. I am totally agree with u and cannot agree more. In MW2, the map is bigger, so its force u to move with you main team, otherwise you will be left alone and find a lot of enemy just respawn next to you. In MW3, map is smaller, as you mentioned above, this version is extremly suitable to the style u talking about, actually I did this almost every match in non-SnD mode. Control in 1/3 or 1/4 of map is vital, especial the wings of your main team moving direction, to prevent the flank. cuz once this happen, ur team will lose 3~4 member, not to mention the position lose or point lose. I will also transfer to another part of area with my team as well, then control that 1/3 or 1/4 of the map. In domination, it's vital to find an area where you can easily defend TWO point. For example, Defend A&B in Arakaden, B&C in Village, B&C in BAKAARA. In SnD mode, I will wait my mates choose the direction they are going, then I will pick the way no one goes.Unless I knew a FirstBlood sniping position in that map. BTW, the play style u mentioned is very suitable to get long killstreak. In domination, I usually get MOAB in around 110~130 point, in Kill confirmed is about 50. a bit late in TDM, 7000~9000. here is one I just played tonight. I queue alone with specialist package.
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Post by shatt3r on Nov 24, 2011 20:48:10 GMT -5
please post scores of TDM. Where other people's main objective is to kill you. 81-4 and your team lost in domination. Doesn't necessarily show u're good at killing. Shows the other team is more focused on getting the points "i.e the objective of the game" and winning the round. they might actually die willingly many times or allow themselves to be easy targets to cap a point & win at the price of a lower K/D ratio. your 81-4 game proves this.
I got high K/Ds that way when i first started playing. its easy. i will take note if u have TDM/MTDM scores like that. Sorry got like 60kills and single digit deaths plenty times in domination. nothing amazing here. Based on the scores i see even your ground war was a domination game.
u can always post your TDM K/D ratio for MW3.
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Post by asasa on Nov 24, 2011 20:53:21 GMT -5
Why are you posting all these high K/D dom games?
Are you trying to prove something??? I dun get it.
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Post by niteshadex on Nov 24, 2011 22:14:01 GMT -5
Man those connections are all over the board.
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Post by prinsmp on Nov 25, 2011 4:05:40 GMT -5
Someone showing of ; ) Why the hell did you post all those pictures??? Your aim was to discuss the game and all you did is telling how well you can kill farm in DOM.
K/D only matters in kill orientated games as TDM, FFA etc.
Back to the actual topic. At first I thought the MW3 maps sucked. But then I noticed most maps have different area's (as mentioned above), which aims toward different play styles. So basically maps design are pretty good, because you can use every weapon and have a good score. Although this is only my exp when playing TDM, as this is the only mode I play.
So I agree with above strategy, pick your weapon and find the area of the map which suits it the most, and rape all enemies coming in. However with an assault / FMG twin combination you can basically rape the whole map.
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Post by wwaa on Nov 25, 2011 5:47:08 GMT -5
I agree. 2 points: 1. Maps enable sneaky flanking from many directions, even an unexperienced player might easy flank and kill you by accident (Arkaden is my favourite flanking nightmare). 2. If you kill expect a crazy respawn... I occupy areas around flags and sprint only if I have to capture… After respawn I do not move for 1-5 secs /drinking beer in the meantime/ I really thought to ‘unbound’ sprint button… sprint = suicide.
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Post by wwaa on Nov 25, 2011 5:49:42 GMT -5
Just to let you know what type of player I am. On screan shots they say you were cheating ...
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Post by Megaqwerty on Nov 25, 2011 6:04:28 GMT -5
...he's not just bad at Domination either. Look at his Kill Confirmed screenshot. He has 37 kills and a score of 2350. Subtracting the points from kills proper leaves 500 points. Assuming he has zero denies (which is very, very possible), nearly three-quarters of his kills go unconfirmed. Man, what a star player. Also, I miss the scoreboards from Black Ops that were actually good and relevant to the current game type. On screan shots they say you were cheating ... It's pretty easy to get scores like this if you completely ignore the objective. See most Youtube commentators.
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Post by wwaa on Nov 25, 2011 6:16:51 GMT -5
K/D only matters in kill orientated games as TDM, FFA etc. "Domination" is done by capturing flages AND killing I love Dom as it mixes 50% TDM & 50% objective play. If you die a lot the enemy gets air support and captures flags easier. So you loose. Same as in TDM but less boring. In Domination - tactical loitering and farming kills around your flags is good and it is called "defending", your kdr matters. - tactical loitering outside flag area and paying no attention to flag possession is "tactical loitering", you do not play objective, you use Dom to improve your kdr and you suck, you are bloody "camper", you should be kicked and burn in hell
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Post by matttheninja on Nov 25, 2011 6:37:15 GMT -5
...he's not just bad at Domination either. Look at his Kill Confirmed screenshot. He has 37 kills and a score of 2350. Subtracting the points from kills proper leaves 500 points. Assuming he has zero denies (which is very, very possible), nearly three-quarters of his kills go unconfirmed. Man, what a star player. Also, I miss the scoreboards from Black Ops that were actually good and relevant to the current game type. On screan shots they say you were cheating ... It's pretty easy to get scores like this if you completely ignore the objective. See most Youtube commentators. well obviously if hes 37-1 killstreaks are involved so its pretty hard to pick up tags after you use ac-130.... PC looks a lot easier to milk people than xbox anyway. Its easier for a random person to pick up a controller and play the game while being somewhat ok rather than a person using a keyboard because of the buttons and movement is a lot more awkward for a while to get used to. Making noobs a lot worse in pc than xbox and therefore easier to milk. My KD is 3.19( over 11k kills 2nd prestige) on mw3 (was 3+ on mw2 and 3.80 on Bops) with a lot of variation in what I play and if games like 50-1 were as common for you as they have been for me when playing cod you would not be posting screenshots. In pubs K/d does matter in ways of not letting the other team get good killstreaks but thats about it. In competitive MLG,GB, ect it doesnt have that much meaning as long as its not consistently bad.
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Post by prinsmp on Nov 25, 2011 7:14:17 GMT -5
K/D only matters in kill orientated games as TDM, FFA etc. "Domination" is done by capturing flages AND killing I love Dom as it mixes 50% TDM & 50% objective play. If you die a lot the enemy gets air support and captures flags easier. So you loose. Same as in TDM but less boring. In Domination - tactical loitering and farming kills around your flags is good and it is called "defending", your kdr matters. - tactical loitering outside flag area and paying no attention to flag possession is "tactical loitering", you do not play objective, you use Dom to improve your kdr and you suck, you are bloody "camper", you should be kicked and burn in hell well in theory the whole team could have positive K/D in a DOM game, and still loosing the game. Only game modes in which K/D truely matters is where the only objective is killing people to win. But that's my point of view. Same as I do not agree with you TDM is boring.
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Post by wwaa on Nov 25, 2011 8:47:44 GMT -5
Only game modes in which K/D truely matters is where the only objective is killing people to win. Theoretically - yes. But 1) In pracice and 2) if anyone is playing the objective: positive kdr significantly helps to win in Dom - a) killstreak support, you dominate the sky b) enemies respawn far away from strategic positions and must run = easy kills again c) it is hard for them to cooperate d) psychology, enemies play more defensive and it is easier to dominate or spawntrap but yes, it happens that a team with huge negative kdrs wins the game: enemies had 1 pro killer who scored 70-7 and 5 noobs. But bear in mind that if those 5 noobs played better they would probably win due to killstreak support. So it is not the case that “kdr is irrelevant”, but “team work failed” or “noobs lose”.
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Post by prinsmp on Nov 25, 2011 11:26:13 GMT -5
yes, but many time people who go for the high kill streaks, doesn't capure flags because they are scared to get killed and loosing their streak. Ideal would be to have one kill farmer and 5 flag guys. But in most public games, the kill farmers are playing DOM just to farm kills and let the "noobs" capture flags. If they loose the game, they probably doesn't even care, because they did their so called job of getting the kills. Basically if you like getting so many kills in a single match, go play TDM and truely test your skill, instead of killing people running for a objective.
edit, well maye I just do not like DOM, and that's the whole reasoning of my vision.
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Post by acinom on Nov 25, 2011 20:55:30 GMT -5
well, I saw ppl discussion about the game mode. My opinion is whatever the mode is, the kills is not umimportant. You cant collect tag unless u killed some enemy, you cant easily caputure point unless you kill the defenders, u cannot plant the bomb and defend it to boom unless you killed the enemy. We have different object in different mode, but killing is the way u got there, one ppl like me have decent KD obviously cannot ensure the win,but high KD all over the team have much much chance to win, wheter the mode is. I saw some ppl say high KD is Dom is useless, well , as I said, I m not aim to blame my mates, but kill is sort of contribution. I post the SS and I said because I wana show the style like "cashmoves" point above, I actually do this style almost every game. In fact,I win most time when I have decent KD, because it's supressed enemy and my mates will have decent KD as well, we could achieve the object whatever it is more easier. and to shatt3r: im not here to amaze anyone, I m an ordinary player not competitive, and Domination last longer so I would have more chance to get 40 50 60 kills and digit die. Obviously I cannot and believe no one could easily get 60kills in TDM cuz there is 10000point limitation, 100kill to win, I am satisfy if I got like 20 30 kill and least dies,something like that will be fair enough as long as you have positive KD in TDM, you did great contribution to you team btw the 37-1 that one is Kill confirmed, i did MOAB by speciallist package, no killstreak include.
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Post by bigbenks on Nov 25, 2011 22:13:48 GMT -5
Looks like a heavy camper to me.
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Post by prinsmp on Nov 30, 2011 11:01:36 GMT -5
^^ lol, I guess nobody likes a showoff
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