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Post by fortynfive on Jan 14, 2012 14:32:44 GMT -5
It's crazy how stable it is with the range attribute. It dominates ar's. It's overpowered.
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Post by asasa on Jan 14, 2012 15:43:43 GMT -5
agreed
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Post by mrite on Jan 14, 2012 16:11:28 GMT -5
sadly any smg that can perform the same role as an AR easily will always be overpowered
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Post by asasa on Jan 14, 2012 16:54:03 GMT -5
well, yes, as they have faster ads and better hipfire
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Post by reader on Jan 14, 2012 17:13:50 GMT -5
No, the range sucks. It has one of the worst range in SMG class, compare to AR it's joke at mid range. 3 bullets kill >>>>>>>>>>>> 5 bullets kill
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Post by asasa on Jan 14, 2012 17:25:16 GMT -5
850RPM laser vs 700rpm low recoil
Its still damned close
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Post by shaktazuki on Jan 14, 2012 18:18:21 GMT -5
Re OP: You seem to like using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
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Post by kalar on Jan 14, 2012 18:22:13 GMT -5
I used to agree that the MP7 is overpowered - and it certainly is one of the top-tier weapons in the game.
But all of it's huge advantages have to be counter-weighed with the bad TTK at mid range.
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Post by Ishbane on Jan 14, 2012 18:49:38 GMT -5
I'm usually owning pretty much everyone with it.
That is, as long as i keep the MP7 dead on target at all times. If more than two enemies see me or two consecutive shots miss and my enemy regains his focus i'm dead meat. And don't get me started on skilled SPAS runners or Strikernubs.
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Post by -3055- on Jan 14, 2012 19:00:25 GMT -5
the arguments are endless, but it cuts both ways:
with the range prof, it might be near the distance of the fad or m4a1, but nowhere near the average assault rifle range. Also, with the silencer attachment, (without range) its almost like the skorpion of black ops
also, no one really uses range, since everyone uses attachments or focus, seeing as how smg's have a much higher flinch than assault rifles. also, most assault rifles are 4 shot kills at range, while the mp7 is a 5 shot kill.
the mp7 is definitely the overall best smg, but there are plenty of other weapons in plenty of other scenarios that can easily counter it.
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Post by aidsaidsaids on Jan 14, 2012 19:01:17 GMT -5
Re OP: You seem to like using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. I'm quoting this post because I agree with it, and would like everyone in the thread to read it again.
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Post by sh58 on Jan 14, 2012 19:54:31 GMT -5
i don't really think its OP. its not even that great to rush with compared to p90 or pp90, like the recoil doesn't really help rushing when most kills are CCQ.
it is obviously a great gun, but i think i misuse it when i think 'smg' and start rushing, instead of treating it more like an assault rifle. it seems pretty clear that its a hybrid of assault rifle and smg, and if you use it wrong you can end up with the worst of both worlds imo.
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Post by slowriot on Jan 14, 2012 19:57:30 GMT -5
im assuming that if you think the mp7 is OP, its because you would like a more balanced game..so then you think akimbo MPs and the type should be nerfed as well?
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Post by fortynfive on Jan 14, 2012 20:46:11 GMT -5
No I think the games balance relies more on how you play matched to the style of another. You select a load out to maximize your chances on a given map with a given style. With the mp7 though the "range" proficiency GREATLY reduces recoil making it a mid range monster. I feel almost forced to use it; if it's being used against me. At least on smaller rushing maps.
I'd prefer they fix it. For selfish reasons. I'm not really an SMG guy. Nowadays it seems like its the only gun ppl use on ps3.
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Post by Evan950 on Jan 14, 2012 20:47:23 GMT -5
remember, it does have increased sway, which i find annoying other than that it is one of the best guns in game just like the ACR, PP90M1, and G36C they are all really good but not as overpowered as MP's
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Post by KingVaroon on Jan 14, 2012 20:58:52 GMT -5
Re OP: You seem to like using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. I'm quoting this post because I agree with it, and would like everyone in the thread to read it again. ^Truth. Lesser damage drop off range. Weaker bullet penetration. Lesser sticky aim range. It can't compete with most AR's down range. Where they are still killing at 3-4 bullets still, MP7 has already dropped to 5. Heck, the lack of sticky aim alone makes it weaker down range if you ask me.
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Post by slowriot on Jan 14, 2012 21:03:53 GMT -5
you like auto-aim? as a pc player thats only been playing mw3 on my buddies xbox, auto-aim seems worthless. it gets me killed well over half the time. just buy a razer onza if you need more precision, lol. or play on a ps3 because those controllers have less of a deadzone and can be plugged in for less wireless lag. in other words ps3 controllers are not complete garbage.
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Post by aidsaidsaids on Jan 14, 2012 21:33:40 GMT -5
you like auto-aim? as a pc player thats only been playing mw3 on my buddies xbox, auto-aim seems worthless. it gets me killed well over half the time. just buy a razer onza if you need more precision, lol. or play on a ps3 because those controllers have less of a deadzone and can be plugged in for less wireless lag. in other words ps3 controllers are not complete garbage. Auto aim detects people through walls and can be used to bypass smoke and detect Assassin Pros. It's useful.
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Post by slowriot on Jan 14, 2012 21:36:59 GMT -5
yea sounds absolutely fabulous...all the more grateful that i dont own a fail-box. EDIT: i mean console. that and xim3, and sony's stated goal to add support for a mouse and keyboard. i can see the fury now...
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Post by exaltedvanguard on Jan 14, 2012 21:47:51 GMT -5
1) I agree, MW3 autoaim sucks and actually messes with my aim as often as it helps. As a Halo/Battlefield Xbox player, I never understood the PC hate toward AA. Then I played CoD and it all made sense. It's pretty ridiculous in this series.
2) The Razer Onza is bad. I got one and found that the sticks were uneven in tension. I had to press harder to turn left than I did to turn right, which really messes up your accuracy.
3) the vastly differing opinions on this gun are likely PC vs console experiences. It has heavy sway, which is very easy to compensate for with a mouse. On a console, your only choice is to ADS tap - you just can't make those continuous, fine adjustments on a stick.
4) JIC you're wondering, I'm a mainly Xbox player and currently ranked in the mid 90k (putting me in the top 1%) on accuracy, and use full autos almost exclusively.
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Post by slowriot on Jan 14, 2012 21:58:30 GMT -5
did you try the onza tournament or the standard? the tourney has adjustable tension, but the standard does not; the standard also has taller thumb sticks for more leverage, like FPS freeks give you. i found the tourney to be awful bad bad bad. the left stick gave out in a way that didnt allow me to hold a sprint. lol.
and i dont really hate consoles. i like the idea of a simple gaming machine that is not as hack-friendly, but its been pretty infuriating getting used to AA.
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Post by spry on Jan 14, 2012 22:10:00 GMT -5
^@exalted: It must be a PC thing, where you can make those fine adjustments as you center on the target. Console players may not know what it's like to spray at a target 4mm tall with an SMG and get the kill.
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Post by spry on Jan 14, 2012 22:13:21 GMT -5
It's been this way for awhile too; COD4 skorpion, MW2 Vector, Blops Spectre--all enjoyed total OP status with the mouse involved.
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Post by KingVaroon on Jan 14, 2012 22:31:14 GMT -5
I'm gonna say this one time, and one time only (Because some people on this board seem to like to argue just for the sake of argument)
If you're going to play this game with a console controller and hope to have a decent aim, you're going to need sticky aim.
If you disagree with the above statement then you're either: A.> A PC supremest.
B.>Ignorant.
I rest my case.
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Post by aidsaidsaids on Jan 14, 2012 23:32:42 GMT -5
The differences of opinion on the MP7 are not platform based. They are between people who value recoil pattern as highly as damage, RoF, range etc, and people who do not. The people who like the MP7 are the same people that liked the ACR in MW2. The people that don't see what all the fuss is about (because they can hit things just fine with other smgs that have better RoF/range/capacity than the MP7 and feel no need to gimp themselves) are the same people that preferred the TAR-21. This "debate" has been going on in some form or another for years, and will continue to as long as there are people that can't deal with recoil.
If you read between the lines, you might be able to discern my position on the issue...
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Post by kalar on Jan 15, 2012 0:28:54 GMT -5
I'm gonna say this one time, and one time only (Because some people on this board seem to like to argue just for the sake of argument) If you're going to play this game with a console controller and hope to have a decent aim, you're going to need sticky aim.If you disagree with the above statement then you're either: A.> A PC supremest. B.>Ignorant. I rest my case. Or a youtube hero who insists that you automatically target the head of the nearest n00b when you casually press L-Trig with a Sniper.
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Post by joe8beast on Jan 15, 2012 2:16:22 GMT -5
its not nearly as overpowered as the WaW Mp40 or the MW2 UMP or the BLOPS AK74u
its only perk over the other SMGS is its accuracy, every other SMG outperforms its damage wise it feels like, i do admit, i have the 2500 title for it, but at times i hate how im outgunned close range by every other SMG, and outgunned mid range by every AR, its not OP, its the same thing with the MW2 ACR, great accuracy but lack luster dmg at range
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Post by parapapa on Jan 15, 2012 3:16:00 GMT -5
i played the mp7 alot. My shot is decent, I can get some long range kill if the guy is not moving too much. Sometime I switch to the acr for some huge boring map like falen or bakara. And yeah the big diference is not that the acr kill at long range for 1-2 bullet less then the mp7. Its that the acr got that long aim asist. The aim just stick on your target at long range, so its like easy mode.
so if the mp7 had assault riffle aim assist, it would be op. Just like the 74u had assautl riffle aim assist when black ops was released. But with a smg aim assist its not op
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Post by reader on Jan 15, 2012 3:20:11 GMT -5
I'm gonna say this one time, and one time only (Because some people on this board seem to like to argue just for the sake of argument) If you're going to play this game with a console controller and hope to have a decent aim, you're going to need sticky aim.If you disagree with the above statement then you're either: A.> A PC supremest. B.>Ignorant. I rest my case. Only he is right, reason? Even the best of the best player on console(MLG pros) still have it on, so I don't see how is he wrong there.
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Post by bobo on Jan 15, 2012 5:37:54 GMT -5
With the mp7 though the "range" proficiency GREATLY reduces recoil making it a mid range monster. I feel almost forced to use it; if it's being used against me. At least on smaller rushing maps. I'd prefer they fix it. For selfish reasons. I'm not really an SMG guy. Nowadays it seems like its the only gun ppl use on ps3. Not sure what you mean by the range proficiency reducing recoil. Kick does make it very accurate, but that slower ttk at longer ranges doesn't give it OP status imo. And I play PS3, seems like I see more PP90.
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