wittyscorpion
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Post by wittyscorpion on Nov 15, 2012 17:44:34 GMT -5
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Post by nygmen90 on Nov 15, 2012 20:39:15 GMT -5
holy shit almost 7thprestige how do you do that?
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Post by asasa on Nov 15, 2012 22:29:59 GMT -5
Well duh, its the sexiest gun ever.
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Post by jackaltornmoons on Nov 16, 2012 0:27:39 GMT -5
Rapid Fire makes everything worse.
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Post by arcanine2009 on Nov 16, 2012 0:30:20 GMT -5
No that goes to the Saiga. The Ballista just need good aim, nothing can help the Saiga. Not even long barrel and lazor. It still gets 1HKs at close range and has some low potential at the end of its range. Ballista is a weak bolt action sniper. Its atrocious. SVU-AS is weaker.
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Post by asasa on Nov 16, 2012 1:40:45 GMT -5
Its not bolt action... lol.
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Post by seanbateman on Nov 16, 2012 1:54:58 GMT -5
I'm kind of surprised so many of you like the Vector so much. I honestly think so far the MP7 is the best overall SMG. It has better range than the Vector. I also, through my own testing, haven't seen a difference in the accuracy between the Vector and MP7. I'd like to try the MSMC though.
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Post by arcanine2009 on Nov 16, 2012 3:02:06 GMT -5
Its not bolt action... lol. What's your point? Ballista has a much larger OSOK area than the SVU-AS. SVU-AS's acog zoom doesn't help it get headshots, forcing players to shoot twice most of the time, to get a kill. Then count the silencer attachment. SVU-AS gets no OSOK area, while Ballista w/ silencer attachment only loses OSOK to the forearms.
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Post by kazei009 on Nov 16, 2012 3:34:02 GMT -5
No that goes to the Saiga. The Ballista just need good aim, nothing can help the Saiga. Not even long barrel and lazor. It still gets 1HKs at close range and has some low potential at the end of its range. Ballista is a weak bolt action sniper. Its atrocious. Ballista has unique "iron sights" which does actually faster ADSing. People, who liked no-scoped bolt-actions in WaW may like this weapon. I don't like - it has very ugly iron sights for me. A reflex sight would be very cool for ballista... But this won't happen. About Saiga-12k... Well, M1216 seems outclassing this, but only slightly, like MSR vs L96 in MW3. Same range, just a bit better reload time for M1216. Last difference is oblivious: M1216 has 4-round auto fire burst with short pause and S12k has constant, lower firerate and lower magazine size.
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Post by arcanine2009 on Nov 16, 2012 14:21:28 GMT -5
It still gets 1HKs at close range and has some low potential at the end of its range. Ballista is a weak bolt action sniper. Its atrocious. Ballista has unique "iron sights" which does actually faster ADSing. People, who liked no-scoped bolt-actions in WaW may like this weapon. I don't like - it has very ugly iron sights for me. A reflex sight would be very cool for ballista... But this won't happen. About Saiga-12k... Well, M1216 seems outclassing this, but only slightly, like MSR vs L96 in MW3. Same range, just a bit better reload time for M1216. Last difference is oblivious: M1216 has 4-round auto fire burst with short pause and S12k has constant, lower firerate and lower magazine size. Ballista's ADS is .37, according to charts. You're saying with the iron sight its even faster.. like .32?
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Post by Megaqwerty on Nov 16, 2012 14:26:26 GMT -5
Iron sighys ballista is basically a ksg with more aiming Slower movement, larger hip spread, and longer ADS In but infinite range.
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Post by Megaqwerty on Nov 16, 2012 14:49:49 GMT -5
5 spread with zero possibility of hit markers versus 15 spread where half the target is non-lethal.
Hard choice.
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Post by Champ on Nov 16, 2012 15:05:35 GMT -5
Just saying that with both, the chance is so risky that youd never consider it with either Lol hipfire with KSG is the only way to go. Spread is tiny and it's really hard to hit moving target with one shot when ADS.
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Post by wantonRULE on Nov 16, 2012 15:06:50 GMT -5
i'm liking the skorpian in the default class guys.
it has recoil but a quick tap-tap absolutely melts people. no raped-fire attachment need either!...run that class a lot since it has ghost, if it had marathon and cold-blooded i'd be happy as a pig in sh1t!
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Post by llednik on Nov 16, 2012 15:59:10 GMT -5
Just saying that with both, the chance is so risky that youd never consider it with either I've only hit one no scope with the ballista(within knifing range) and I've killed many a bad guy with the ksg hipfire but ads'ing whenever possible is advised. I prefer not to run the laser sight on the ksg because it makes me think that I can rely on hipfire when really I can't most of the time. p.s. reload cancel shooting is possible with the ksg. As in shoot, press reload, sprint cancel(I would assume yy'ing works as well) and shoot again. Is there a name for this technique yet?
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Post by Megaqwerty on Nov 16, 2012 18:16:44 GMT -5
Pump cancel.
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Post by asasa on Nov 16, 2012 21:51:05 GMT -5
Its not bolt action... lol. What's your point? Ballista has a much larger OSOK area than the SVU-AS. SVU-AS's acog zoom doesn't help it get headshots, forcing players to shoot twice most of the time, to get a kill. Then count the silencer attachment. SVU-AS gets no OSOK area, while Ballista w/ silencer attachment only loses OSOK to the forearms. What's your point? It shoots 5 times faster and has more ammo. And silencers mean so much. XPR-50 vs Ballista is hilarious. As for ADS times, irons appear to be .37 as well.
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Post by toysrme on Nov 16, 2012 22:19:53 GMT -5
At low levels the Vector (or the default class with the Skorp) otherwise the Chicom (especially with a well timed rapid fire) and the skorp (which is crazy with rapidfire and extended mags)
Laser Sight plus any combination of extended mags, silencer, and stock on SMG's is easy mode.
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Post by arcanine2009 on Nov 16, 2012 23:14:01 GMT -5
What's your point? Ballista has a much larger OSOK area than the SVU-AS. SVU-AS's acog zoom doesn't help it get headshots, forcing players to shoot twice most of the time, to get a kill. Then count the silencer attachment. SVU-AS gets no OSOK area, while Ballista w/ silencer attachment only loses OSOK to the forearms. What's your point? It shoots 5 times faster and has more ammo. And silencers mean so much. XPR-50 vs Ballista is hilarious. As for ADS times, irons appear to be .37 as well. Are you actually serious? You seriously think the ballista sucks more than the SVU-AS? SVU-AS more ammo and has a faster fire rate, to make up for the fact that its generally a TWO HIT kill. SVU-AS's acog default zoom doesn't exactly help it get a OSOK to the head either. If you can aim for the chest (which is a pretty big OSOK area)and up, You'll be getting OSOKs 80-90% with the Ballista. Yes, silencers do means so much. Ballista is the only sniper rifle that gets no drawback with the silencer whatsoever. And this isn't about XPR vs Ballista, its SVU-AS VS Ballista.
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Post by asasa on Nov 16, 2012 23:27:35 GMT -5
What's your point? It shoots 5 times faster and has more ammo. And silencers mean so much. XPR-50 vs Ballista is hilarious. As for ADS times, irons appear to be .37 as well. Are you actually serious? You seriously think the ballista sucks more than the SVU-AS? SVU-AS more ammo and has a faster fire rate, to make up for the fact that its generally a TWO HIT kill. SVU-AS's acog default zoom doesn't exactly help it get a OSOK to the head either. If you can aim for the chest (which is a pretty big OSOK area)and up, You'll be getting OSOKs 80-90% with the Ballista. Yes, silencers do means so much. Ballista is the only sniper rifle that gets no drawback with the silencer whatsoever. And this isn't about XPR vs Ballista, its SVU-AS VS Ballista. Yes. The ballista is the worst gun I have ever used [in CoD].. ever. Its disgustingly bad.
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Post by arcanine2009 on Nov 16, 2012 23:55:29 GMT -5
Are you actually serious? You seriously think the ballista sucks more than the SVU-AS? SVU-AS more ammo and has a faster fire rate, to make up for the fact that its generally a TWO HIT kill. SVU-AS's acog default zoom doesn't exactly help it get a OSOK to the head either. If you can aim for the chest (which is a pretty big OSOK area)and up, You'll be getting OSOKs 80-90% with the Ballista. Yes, silencers do means so much. Ballista is the only sniper rifle that gets no drawback with the silencer whatsoever. And this isn't about XPR vs Ballista, its SVU-AS VS Ballista. Yes. The ballista is the worst gun I have ever used [in CoD].. ever. Its disgustingly bad. If you learned to aim for the chest and up, you would basically be using a DSR with a faster ads speed and faster reload times. You just have to train yourself. Just like how I had to train myself to OSOK to the head with the SVD in BO1 with the silencer attachment. >-> Also rest of competitive CoD community likes Ballista more than SVU-AS, and has been doo-dooting on the dragunov since MW3. What does that tell you? Also, worst gun ever used would belong to bolt action snipers without scopes and no SP. Ballista gets sniper zoom, 2 more rounds, OSOK to the arms in addition to chest, and faster reload speeds and ads speeds at default.
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Post by LeGitBeeSting on Nov 17, 2012 0:24:20 GMT -5
@asasasasasaasasaasasasasasasasasasasasas Have you ever used the pre buffed KSG?
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Post by arcanine2009 on Nov 17, 2012 0:32:04 GMT -5
Well, tbqh, I saw it months away before release that the Ballista won't be THE most used sniper rifle or even in the top two.dSR already confirmed its fate for having the stomach OSOK reliability, and as soon as I heard the XPR was a semi auto and OSOK'd to the chest by the in game stats(even though now we know it OSOKs to the stomach w/out silencer now), that people are gonna prefer the semi auto over the ballista, due to its higher RoF.
And once more people find out about XPR's OSOK to the stomach, competitive players will slowly use it more than the DSR.
But Ballista is far from crappy as you think it is ASASA. Treyarch overhyped it, but it's still usable and requires mastery as a high risk high reward gun. If you can learn to aim for the chest and up, you'll do great, almost as good as using the other 2, if you really work on the accuracy.
But at least its a step up from the SVU-AS. As the pwnator said, SVU-AS is a sniper rifle for newbs. It has low recoil and a 2 hit kill shot with crap range that can't get you a OSOK, unless you aim for the head, which really requires skill to pull off consistent headshots. SVU-AS is more forgiving with accuracy, but once newbs get decently accurate, like pawnnator said in his youtube vid, they can move on to the more powerful sniper rifles and pawn.
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Post by asasa on Nov 17, 2012 0:52:47 GMT -5
If it had like 80RPM firerate, .32s ads, fast reloads, and overall.. FAST HANDLING, as stated by Vonderhaar... it'd be fine. But it has nothing.
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Post by MastaQ on Nov 17, 2012 21:19:11 GMT -5
The Ballista may be a statistically "bad" weapon, but damn if I'm not having a fun time using it.
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Post by arcanine2009 on Nov 29, 2012 23:37:10 GMT -5
If the MP7 had the same recoil as its MW3 counterpart, how far up would it move in the smg tier?
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Post by wantonRULE on Nov 30, 2012 9:12:21 GMT -5
skorpian evo suppressed with extended mags.
all day!
absolutely went to town with that thing yesterday. i finally put down the 870 after endless frustration and picked this puppy up and k/d boosting galore insued. Best game yesterday was a 48/3 with 2 warthogs.
Skorpian Evo easily the most dangerous smg. Erases at mid range as well with a quick 2 burst. I was in love with the chicom but this thing is the full-auto version of it. K/d, spm, wins all went up after a full night with the skorpEvo.
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Post by tooros on Nov 30, 2012 9:15:58 GMT -5
skorpian evo suppressed with extended mags. all day! absolutely went to town with that thing yesterday. i finally put down the 870 after endless frustration and picked this puppy up and k/d boosting galore insued. Best game yesterday was a 48/3 with 2 warthogs. Skorpian Evo easily the most dangerous smg. Erases at mid range as well with a quick 2 burst. I was in love with the chicom but this thing is the full-auto version of it. K/d, spm, wins all went up after a full night with the skorpEvo. ADS'd? I haven't 'aimed' an SMG for over a week. Hip + Laser. Didn't get on with the EVO in that mode - maybe not ADS'ing was the problem....
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Post by gentlemanjim on Nov 30, 2012 9:27:33 GMT -5
SMGs aren't for me. I know I'm probably gimping myself because of the map layout, but F it, more challenge.
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Post by tooros on Nov 30, 2012 10:16:01 GMT -5
SMGs aren't for me. I know I'm probably gimping myself because of the map layout, but F it, more challenge....not by using a FAL with Select Fire it's not ;D
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