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Post by fpsdredd on May 14, 2013 15:28:51 GMT -5
I have Sennheiser HD600s but my wife wants me to be able to hear the children, so I normally listen using Tannoy studio monitors (in my office). But the Martin Logan speakers in the living room beat all of the above. Apparently a love of shielding isn't the only thing we have in common. If you guys are paying $100 for turtle beaches, I'd highly recommend a pair of AudioTechnica ATH-AD700's.... www.amazon.com/Technica-ATH-AD700-Open-air-Audiophile-Headphones/dp/B000CMS0XU/ref=sr_1_5?s=aht&ie=UTF8&qid=1351646306&sr=1-5&keywords=headphones$100 bucks and free shipping, can't beat that. These cans will smoke any headphones made by any gamimg manufacturer, Astro included. Basically, they work, they're not bad, but the build quality is doo-doo. I'm opting for Astro's for my next set. Do yourself a favor and grab the Astro Mixamp, but get the headphones above instead. Better soundstage (what you're really needing when soundwhoring), better build quality. Here's a great review on Amazon that may help a bit: Audio Technica ATH-AD700 I had Astro A40's prior. I kept my mixamp but these headphones are amazing. Positioning is just sick! Love them for gaming and would recommend them to anyone!!! You're probably looking at the picture of the AD700s thinking...'God purple...who wants purple on headphones...and beige, I don't even own anything in beige!'. I kept thinking to myself, everything in my entertainment room is some tone of black, sliver-grey, chrome, or white in various combinations. These cans would be an eyesore to the the subtle contrasts present in my Shrine of Electronica. However, you may have, like me, been told repeatedly by friends and fellows about how awesome the AD700s perform. You may have noticed nearly every thread asking 'what phones should I get' whether for gaming, music, or movies these get recommended many times over. How comfortable is that weird headband though? The answers to any doubts are rather simple and can forgo the subjective listener lingo so many..audiophiles feel the need to use. It's like this: I owned HD555s since 07, and Astro A40s since 09(and the 2011 model!). The HD555s are really nice, especially for music. The A40s are really nice, especially for games/movies. I would switch between the two of them for each of their respective strengths. When I received the AD700s in Dec 2011...I stopped switching between them. In fact, I've only worn my HD555s for doing a listening comparison and other tests since then. The same would be true for my A40s if it wasn't for my Xbox 360. The AD700s are amazing. Their reputation is well earned. At the price you can get them I don't think there's any competing product which can match it's price>performance. That headband. At first it felt kind of weird...but never uncomfortable. After a few days it became clear my appreciation for the AD700s had far exceeded my expectations. It's always comfortable and requires no adjusting. One worry I had was the spring might have issues over time. So far, no issues. The only con to their fit is that the earpads have a tendency to shift which leads to the ears not resting right. Easily remedied. You simply grab the inside edge and rotate it back into place. The frequency of this is no doubt due to how often I'm cleaning my equipment with a rubbing alcohol dampened rag. I'm fairly certain that being able to adjust these pads is part of the design as well. As to colors..due to it's performance and the enjoyment from that it's odd appearance grows on you. The association of the AD700s with providing an amazing sonic experience far overshadows any annoyances caused by aesthetic conflicts. I prefer the AD700s over HD555s/A40s. It's a preference many share with others and it led to my ownership of the AD700s. Chances are, after using the AD700s you'll share this preference. -It should be noted, that attempting to use good headphones without a suitable headphone amp will result in subpar performance. My experiences, comparisons, and resulting preference were done using both the Astro Mixamp and a Xonar STX. They all sound better with the Xonar STX . Also, if the Bass isn't enough for you just tweak the 30 and 60 slider in your SoundCards EQ. This is my gaming setup: PlayStation 3 160GB System Seagate Momentus 1TB 5400RPM SATA 3Gb/s 8 MB Cache 2.5-Inch Internal Notebook Hard Drive STBD1000100 - Bare Drive Premium Optical Toslink Audio Cable for Xbox 360, PS3, Tivo, HDTV, A/V Receiver, Cablebox, etc. 6 Feet (2Meter) Astro Gaming Mixamp Astro Y-Adapter AntLion Modmic Audio Technica ATH-AD700 Open-air Dynamic Audiophile Headphones VIZIO E3D470VX 47-Inch Class Theater 1080p 120Hz 3D LCD HDTV with VIZIO Internet Apps (Black) ^Makes any online first-person shooter more awesome than you thought was possible. The sound quality that the Astro Mixamp paired with the AD700 put out together - like they were made for each other - it is incredible! Because of the lack of bass in the headphones, you hear those footsteps crystal clear. Which is what you want out of a gaming headphone if you play competitively. The AntLion Modmic is very simple to install on to any headphones because it sticks to the headphones. There are video tutorials on YouTube of this. The voice output quality is excellent, too. TIP* If you do go with this setup, or any other gaming setup where a optical cable is in use, remember to change your Sound Settings from HDMI to Digital Optical "Dolby Digital 5.1" Otherwise, you will not be getting the full potential out of your mixamp's Dolby 5.1 processor! PS Tritton AX Pros, Turtle Beach HPX, Astro A40's are trash compared to the Audio Technica AD700's! Sell what you've got and get the AD700. I'm actually looking for a headset, and your name screams soundwhore to me. Thank you sir. edit: The link to buy them was a beautiful touch.
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Post by banana on May 14, 2013 18:34:15 GMT -5
Yeah open back headphones typically have a very big soundstage. Plus audio technica is a very good headphone maker.
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Post by xFEARtheSHIELDx on May 14, 2013 21:00:53 GMT -5
So the AD700 is the best soundwhoring set to use? I'm on Xbox so I can connect it to the A40 Mix Amp. The A40s aren't too comfortable for me after sustained use and I prefer the X41 for long sessions. Unfortunately they go through batteries like anything so I've let a friend borrow it. "Best" is all somewhat relative to the individual, but IMO they blow anything under $200 out of the water as far as soundwhoring, and even many headphones over $200. Well, theyre definitely much better than i thought anything made by Skullcandy would be blah blah blah.... Given that all I've used up to now is a string of $20 headphones, I'm not looking for auditory sex or anything. The ones I have now have large cups/cans/whatever, but they rest on the ear, not covering it. I guess sound leaks out from them? But, yeah, the significant other is a very light sleeper. Which is why if I had a mic, I'd practically have to be whispering into it. Currently, my PS3 is connected to my computer monitor via HDMI, and then I use the audio-out on the monitor to my desktop speakers and have my headphones plugged into the speakers. That way I can use them for PC and PS3 with minimal (un)plugging when switching between the two. So I'm not sure about tuners and whatnot. Given your criteria, and assuming MLE's review can be trusted (it seems Skullcandy sent him a free set, so there may be some bias there idk), these seem like a GREAT upgrade from what youre used to. Even found you the same set in white for $10 cheaper, u can thank me later www.amazon.com/Skullcandy-SMSLFY205-Wired-Gaming-Headset/dp/B009RXUNZI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1368582520&sr=8-1&keywords=slyrI'm actually looking for a headset, and your name screams soundwhore to me. Thank you sir. edit: The link to buy them was a beautiful touch. No problem broski, glad i could be of help! I didnt realize this at first, but if you click the product name on MLE's guide www.head-fi.org/t/534479/mad-lust-envys-headphone-gaming-guide-updated-4-30-13-koss-esp-950-added, it takes you to the product listing on Amazon, which besisdes great pricing, can be really helpful for the hundreds of user reviews. However, if you have more coin to drop there may be a better option out there for you........
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Post by wings on May 14, 2013 21:15:56 GMT -5
So the AD700 is the best soundwhoring set to use? I'm on Xbox so I can connect it to the A40 Mix Amp. The A40s aren't too comfortable for me after sustained use and I prefer the X41 for long sessions. Unfortunately they go through batteries like anything so I've let a friend borrow it. "Best" is all somewhat relative to the individual, but IMO they blow anything under $200 out of the water as far as soundwhoring, and even many headphones over $200. I guess the ones that amplify treble so I can hear footsteps within a 5m radius or something? I'm looking for a new set of headphones as I think my Goldring ones are slightly faulty, or it's the audio cable, despite being newly bought. They do ache my ears after a long session though (friend recommendation years ago). I'll look into the AD700s.
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Post by xFEARtheSHIELDx on May 14, 2013 22:17:55 GMT -5
Speaking of MLE's reviews, its really cool to see such a broad based comparo on headphones and headsets with gaming as the foremost criteria by a guy that really seems to know what he's talking about. However, I have issues with his review of the AD700's. Here's the entire review: Spectacular for FPS games. Great detail in the mids and energetic treble. Soundstage is the biggest of any headphone I have heard in Dolby Headphone mode (including the K701). Everything sounds just so crystal clear and sparkly. Directional accuracy is just bloody fantastic (2nd only to the DT770 Pro 80s for me). If you want a headphone that just murders practically everything else for FPS games, the AD700s is that headphone. They are really bass light. That is their biggest issue. Bass is so light, it sounds like a tin can attempting to sound like a subwoofer. Just no bass, lol. So for immersive, non-competitive gaming, these aren't going to impress. The treble can also be quite grating and harsh. They also sound somewhat artificial, so don't expect accurate and realistic sounds coming from this headphone. Comfort-wise, the pads are super comfortable, but the cans are way too loose for some people, and your ears may touch the drivers which a shock prone person like me couldn't handle anymore. Fun: 6/10 (Decent. The soundstage is it's own brand of fun, but soundstage and clarity aside, they're not going to wow you.) Competitive: 10/10 (Basically Perfect. It ditches warmth, bass, and musicality for sheer performance and detail-whoring.) Comfort: 4/10 (Bad. Awesome pads, terrible headband design, drivers press against ears, and slippery fit. The comfort on the AD700 is love it or hate it.) IMO, he's a bit too harsh on these cans. Ive owned them for close to a year now, and i couldnt be happier with them. Though i bought them for my girlfriend (who plays CoD with me), Ive actually ended up using these and she uses my other set which cost TWO AND A HALF TIMES as much as these, lol. now on to specifics: The Bass The lack of bass is the most common nitpick on these cans, and while true, IMO its FAR from "a tin can attempting to sound like a subwoofer". I'm kind of a basshead, and these never leave me feeling like someone disconnected my sub or something. However, maybe he thought this because his cans were never adjusted properly (a snugger fit also brings more bass). They also respond pretty well to a bit of EQ, so when paired with a Mixamp or tuner this shouldnt be a problem. The Treble First he says theyre crystal clear and sparkly, then he says the treble can be harsh and grating. while i do have a bit of treble roll-off in my hearing from being in my mid-thirties and gunfire, ive never experienced this. Wow Factor The soundstage and clarity are in a world of thier own, and will lend a huge sense of WOW to almost any recording for 99% of the un-jaded peeps. The Fit My biggest gripe with the review is here. IMO the fit on these is AMAZING, but for most peeps it probably wont be that great out of the box (myself included) The key is to realize that these headphones ARE indeed adjustable, just in a different way than youre used to. The key is to squeeze the tough steel bars on top together, a bit at a time, until the desired fit is achieved. Details here: www.head-fi.org/t/400269/audio-technica-ath-series-headphones-are-fully-adjustableSo ya, thats pretty much it. I also found this little gem when going through MLE's guide; its in the intro: I read up about how good the A40+Mixamp combo was, and that it would be all I would ever need. It was $250, which was extremely expensive for me at the time (at least I thought such a thing was too expensive back then). I caved in and went for it, as long as it delivered as promised. Once I got it, I have to say that I was somewhat underwhelmed. I was expecting something that mimicked my surround sound. I wasn't feeling dolby headphone in the least. I was so underwhelmed that I barely used it, and decided to just play my games really quietly, which to me hurt, as I like to be immersed, and concentrate quite a bit when I game online. Fast forward to a few months later, where I decided to give it another try. Much to my dismay, my practically brand new A40s (very rarely touched back when I did use it) had lost the right side audio. I was so peeved that I didn't bother contacting Astro. I tossed them... just like that. So there I was back again, with a seemingly useless Mixamp, and no headset. I went back online and read up on ACTUAL headphones that worked very well with gaming and the Mixamp in general. I, like many of you, heard how grand the AD700s were especially for games like Call of Duty 4, which was my favorite game back in the days I got into this hobby. So what the hell, I went for it. When I got it, I was somewhat turned off by the color, and they didn't exactly sit well on my head. It was slippery as hell, and it just sorta pissed me off. I then did the rubberband mod and then felt it was good enough to try. I then hooked them up to the Mixamp, and fired up Call of Duty 4... let's just say... my mind was BLOWN. I couldn't believe what I was hearing. I was hearing EVERYTHING. Sounds were coming from all around me. I could hear exactly where people were around me. A pin drop was easily distinguishable for me. I did notice the distinct lack of bass, but for this game, I couldn't care less. I felt like I had an unfair advantage against those who DIDN'T wear a headset. Bass was the last thing on my mind. My speakers sounded like pure crap next to this ridiculous soundfield I was suddenly enveloped in. Dolby Headphone and Headphones in general showed me what a miraculous combo they could be, and I told myself I would never seriously game without either of them ever again. I had converted.
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Post by Shakerag on May 14, 2013 23:37:26 GMT -5
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Post by xFEARtheSHIELDx on May 15, 2013 1:03:44 GMT -5
lolJensen
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Post by LeGitBeeSting on May 15, 2013 9:44:57 GMT -5
The Astro headset sucks, the mixamp however is great.
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Post by Shakerag on May 15, 2013 10:16:06 GMT -5
Hey, I was in college and broke and they were something like $20-$30 buy 1 get 1 free. I'm just now wearing out the second pair >_>
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Post by TheHawkNY on May 15, 2013 10:51:24 GMT -5
I have had a pair of Astro A40's with Mixamp for a year and a half. They're very comfortable. In terms of sound quality, I don't really have a basis of comparison, as they're the only surround headset I've owned. I have no problems soundwhoring people in Modern Warfare games, and in BO2 if someone were to sprint through snow, I can hear them. I have to assume the sound bleeds pretty badly from them, as a few days ago my wife told me about how I was going to become deaf from having them on so loud.
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Post by ElysMustache on May 15, 2013 10:55:33 GMT -5
I have had a pair of Astro A40's with Mixamp for a year and a half. They're very comfortable. In terms of sound quality, I don't really have a basis of comparison, as they're the only surround headset I've owned. I'll give you an example of high sound quality: on some orchestra recordings, I can hear the musicians turning their sheet music with my Sennheisers. You won't get that using "Beats by Dr. Dre", that's for sure.
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Post by TheHawkNY on May 15, 2013 11:05:58 GMT -5
Goddamn you're cultured. I've never tried listening to any orchestra recordings on mine.
Also, check your PM's.
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Post by xFEARtheSHIELDx on May 15, 2013 22:29:13 GMT -5
lolBeats
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Post by xFEARtheSHIELDx on May 15, 2013 23:15:04 GMT -5
Ok, so i promised a review on my other set of headphones, and id like to compare the two as well. These ive actually owned for close to two years now, never an issue with them. Sennheiser HD598 www.amazon.com/Sennheiser-HD-598-Headphones-Accents/dp/B0042A8CW2/ref=sr_1_4?s=aht&ie=UTF8&qid=1351647683&sr=1-4&keywords=headphones&tag=5336432715-20Now when i bought these, i actually got them from Amazon for $180 IIRC, and now theyre goin for $246. Ive seen them as high as $280 on the same site. So i guess i got lucky. They sound incredible, as one might expect out of a ~$300 set of cans. The soundstage is slighty smaller than the AD700s, but also MUCH more precise. They also have alot more bass, and the treble has more clarity and is more balanced. When go from the AD700s to these i turn the bass down and the treble up. Recordings definitely sound more realistic than the AD700s. Comfort is great, though they clamp a bit more than i would like. Like i said earlier, these ended up being my girlfriends headphones and i use AD700s. One reason is fit. Though our heads are the same circumference, i prefer the light "floating on your head" fit of the Audio Technicas, while she likes the snugger cushy hold of the Sennheisers. Also since we run a splitter out of the same output, theres no way to independently EQ them. So i much prefer the natural treble boost from the AD700s. Lastly the HD598s arent quite as loud as the others at the same wattage, and i like me sum loud gamin. I did a comparo yesterday listening to a wide range of music, which i hadn't done since the AD700s were properly broke in (all headphones [and any speaker really] require a ~40hr break-in period before they sound like theyre supposed to), to get a better feel for what music sounds like on each set. Dubstep and any kind of electronic music sounds AMAZING on the AD700s due to the ginormous and airy soundstage. Rock sounds pretty cool too, gives it a very live feel and guitars sound very raw and in your face. Country sounded much more proper and well presented on the HD598s, as well as classical. Rap was better here too, mostly due to the surplus of bass. I also tend to prefer the 598s for movies. Regardless, it was really cool to hear two unique and exciting mixes for different songs. EDIT: two minor points....the AD700s leak more sound (outgoing) than the HD598s. Also the AD700s end in a 1/8" jack with a cool screw-on 1/4" adapter, while the Sennheisers are 1/4" native, necessitating a large 1/4"-1/8" adapter for mobile use. Couple that with the fact that the Audio Technicas have a higher sensitivity, and they definitely win for Ipod use. In retrospect, if id have bought the AD700s first, i may have just bought another pair due to cost. But im really happy i didnt. Im not sure if these are worth $240 to me when the AD700s are availabe for $100, but then again i paid $180. Would i recommend them? Whole-heartedly. They are the better headphones, and if youve got the $$$ and bass and realistic reproduction is very important to you, these are possibly the best gaming headphones made. heres another Amazon review: i was looking for a pair of fons that has better mid than my ATH AD700, but not as bright and forward as ATHD AD900. HD598 fits the spot perfectly. not only that, the soundstage is also much more accurate than AD700, and complets with a better bass extension. Sound: awesome and accurate soundstage presentation. works really well with warm DAC/AMP combo. however, might be a bit too bright on DAC/AMPs that emphasis's too much on the treble or mid. the soundstage is extremely accurate that it gives more depth and distance attenuation to the recording. even better than my AD700. in comparison to AD700's soundstage, the AD700 definitely sounds wider, but lacks frontal and rear depth. the resolution of soundstage is also better with the HD598. the Bass is also accurate but not overpowering. Treble is just right without being too bright. if you have a brighter source like the Fiio E17 with the Wolfson WM8740 DAC, it'll sound a bit bright and dry. but if you have a warmer source like the Asahi AK4396 or the JRC4580 opamp it can sound great, lush, and generous. the headphone will bring out the flaws in most bad recordings. most recordings with high compression and poorly mastered can demonstrate clipping and compression artifact easily with this headphone. on great recordings with great soundstage like many of the well recorded classical music will bring out tears in your eyes. check out "classicals that make you go wow" playlist on spotify. the Mid is also one of the biggest highlight of this headphone aside from the great soundstage. the mid is forward and generous, without being hazy. it's very clear without being too bright or nasal. the headphone works extremely well with well recorded classical, pop, Jazz, and SOME techno house. unless there is a track that emphasizes heavily on drums throughout, this headphone will be a good all-rounder for most. i can't emphasize enough on the awesome soundstage. on one particular track of jazz, i was able to hear the reflected sound from a sax coming from one opposite end of the room, it just shows how detailed the soundstage really is. although the soundstage is incredibly wide and detailed, it doesn't feel as Airy as you would get from a typical Audio Technica headphone. i wouldn't worry too much about running this fone without an separate amp. i find the sonic punch is well presented even on portable sources. however, it does spike to 250ohm at around 100hz. Comfort: VERY comfortable. i typically wear it for hours and hours straight, sometimes up to 8 hours straight without fatigue. it's VERY light weight. Design: feels like you're driving a Porsche. love the wood trim accent. Gaming: This is one area where it's becoming more popular. i highly recommend this headphone for gaming. i even would recommend it over the well popular AD700. the issue with AD700, although a great gaming headphone, is that its mid is recessed and hazy in comparison to the HD598. if you've never heard the HD598, and have the AD700, you probably won't know the different i am talking about, and likely won't care. but once you tried the HD598, it's hands down no comparison. more clear sound presentation, with better depth, attenuation, resolution. better soundstage, although not as Airy as AD700. distance perfection is also better. but again, this headphone costs more than twice, sometimes three times the price of the AD700. so if you can afford it. i am running the HD598, and AD700 through an Astro Mixamp (only when gaming). Overall: i would highly recommend this Mid-Fi headphone if you have a decent source. it sucks that you'll spot all the flaws in many bad recordings, but on well mastered recordings will bring tears to your eyes. is it worth the current amazon price? YES!.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2013 20:15:03 GMT -5
This is gonna sound silly, but does anybody have any tips for wearing headphones? Almost everytime I wear my gaming headphones I get a dent in my hair and it's a pain to get out.
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Post by mmacola on May 16, 2013 21:06:51 GMT -5
Shave yourself
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Post by banana on May 16, 2013 22:29:41 GMT -5
I have had a pair of Astro A40's with Mixamp for a year and a half. They're very comfortable. In terms of sound quality, I don't really have a basis of comparison, as they're the only surround headset I've owned. I'll give you an example of high sound quality: on some orchestra recordings, I can hear the musicians turning their sheet music with my Sennheisers. You won't get that using "Beats by Dr. Dre", that's for sure. Not to start a whole audiophile war or anything but the same could be said of a bass part of a song you never heard with the sennheisers because of the lack of low frequency extension.
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Post by ElysMustache on May 17, 2013 1:44:06 GMT -5
Not to start a whole audiophile war or anything but the same could be said of a bass part of a song you never heard with the sennheisers because of the lack of low frequency extension. The Sennheisers are rated down to 16 Hz. www.stereophile.com/headphones/408
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Post by ayyyyy on May 21, 2013 10:28:33 GMT -5
The Astro headset sucks, the mixamp however is great. this. beyerdynamic all day.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2013 5:17:57 GMT -5
Any of you ever used Trittons? 5 speakers on each side (don't know if that's standard) and great audio quality. Never once let me down.
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Post by Aphoristic on May 22, 2013 9:46:14 GMT -5
Yes, and the "true surround" is terrible. Having multiple speakers in each ear only makes sound quality worse. It's a trap for consumers. Never buy a headset that advertises it. Simulated surround is what you always want in any situation.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2013 11:58:28 GMT -5
Yes, and the "true surround" is terrible. Having multiple speakers in each ear only makes sound quality worse. It's a trap for consumers. Never buy a headset that advertises it. Simulated surround is what you always want in any situation. I never found it "terrible" in the slightest. Maybe it's not as good as simulated surround, but really?
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Post by Aphoristic on May 22, 2013 14:03:30 GMT -5
You are sacrificing the power of 1 large speaker for 5 small ones. Yes, the sound is worse.
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Post by palladium on May 22, 2013 21:52:12 GMT -5
And Tritton is owned by MadCatz now. Not a pillar of build quality.
Is there an easy way to set up a good set of headphones (not a headset) and a mic on 360?
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Post by Slick on May 23, 2013 2:18:09 GMT -5
Yes, very subpar. Uncomfortable, hollow sound, everything feels extremely fragile, I used my first and last Tritton for maybe a few hours.
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Post by xFEARtheSHIELDx on May 23, 2013 3:20:37 GMT -5
And Tritton is owned by MadCatz now. Not a pillar of build quality. Is there an easy way to set up a good set of headphones (not a headset) and a mic on 360? Buy the stand-alone mixamp. easiest way. Unless you already have it hooked to a stereo....
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Post by ElysMustache on May 23, 2013 10:28:47 GMT -5
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Post by xFEARtheSHIELDx on May 23, 2013 16:25:57 GMT -5
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Post by iamthehater on May 23, 2013 16:41:48 GMT -5
It's a cable... They will sell a new cable for Astros or an adaptor. Don't know about the junk turtle beaches, great reason to upgrade.
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Post by wings on May 23, 2013 19:20:31 GMT -5
I preferred the TB X41s to the Tritton AX Pro tbh. Only thing with the TB for me is that the mic can be a bit loud for some people on the other end. Shame the X41s were wireless ebcause I got fed up with changing batteries.
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