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Post by fpsdredd on May 26, 2013 21:44:51 GMT -5
The fpsDREDD Playstyle:
I am here to show you a play style that I have been working on that I call the DREDDnought. I’ve theorycrafted for countless months to bring you a class that adds another dimension to your gun battle skills while still being a viable setup against good players. What I am always preaching is that the gun battle needs new mechanics in game that allows for a new tier of professional play. I want even the highest echelons of play to go even further and this post is just to show where I have taken my game personally.
This post is aimed towards those who really work on improving their game. In terms of difficulty, I’d suggest the playstyle only for those who are willing to practice for countless hours (it’s about 10x harder to learn than aggressive sniping from my experience).
Table of contents:
1. The DREDDnought Revealed
2. Class Breakdown
3. Manipulating the Player Model
1. THE DREDDNOUGHT REVEALED
First I want to start off with a detailed breakdown of a chosen gameplay. It’s a mediocre gameplay (by my standards - I rarely stay in lobbies without clans on the opposing team) but it shows a well rounded view of the playstyle in action.
Warning: 30 minute video.
You saw how to use the riot shield in such a way that it provides a permanent improvement to your player (by having a new defensive ability at your disposal at any given time). With the riot shield on your back, you now have a new tool in the toolkit that can be applied to various situations in game.
Now the problem with having the riot shield on your back is that it comes with an inherent cost – you give up the assassin/quickdraw perks. In the next section I’ll tell you how I built the class for the strongest statistical build that mitigates weaknesses inherent with the overkill perk.
2. CLASS BREAKDOWN
This class has been created so that it is viable against as many other builds as possible. It is so effective against any other build that class switching is not required (assuming you have mastered the class and the overall playstyle of course). I’m not going to write down the class build here because each and every selection in the build is selected for a reason (I don't want the genius of the class overlooked).
Now you have seen the class necessary to make the DREDDnought playstyle work and even a few examples of it in action. The most important part to learning this playstyle is to understand how to manipulate your player model so that your shield is facing the direction you want it to.
3. MANIPULATING THE PLAYER MODEL
This is the most crucial part of this build. Knowing where your riot shield is pointing whenever you are looking in various directions.
Combining this knowledge and really practicing this playstyle will be very hard to master.
In fact I so easily decided to share this setup because I know how hard it is to master (therefore I don't need to worry about everyone using it by sharing it).
If you have any questions please comment and I’ll respond / update the OP if necessary. Thanks for reading/watching forums!
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Post by APOCALYPSE on May 26, 2013 22:26:13 GMT -5
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Post by Dumien on May 26, 2013 23:12:51 GMT -5
hmm seems alot like a few of my classes from the MW3 assault shield guide mixed with my recommended style for BO2 in the BO2 guide.
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Post by fpsdredd on May 26, 2013 23:26:08 GMT -5
hmm seems alot like a few of my classes from the MW3 assault shield guide mixed with my recommended style for BO2 in the BO2 guide. Do you mean the class itself or the playstyle? I've never seen anyone use the riot shield in this fashion.
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Post by banana on May 26, 2013 23:40:54 GMT -5
he probably means the class
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Post by banana on May 27, 2013 0:11:41 GMT -5
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Post by kirbyderby on May 27, 2013 0:17:17 GMT -5
Real men use the riot shield in FFA
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Post by Dumien on May 27, 2013 2:09:26 GMT -5
hmm seems alot like a few of my classes from the MW3 assault shield guide mixed with my recommended style for BO2 in the BO2 guide. Do you mean the class itself or the playstyle? I've never seen anyone use the riot shield in this fashion. The playstyle of having a shield on your back for most of the game (and only using it as an equipment in crucial defensive moments) was something I suggested in the BO2 assault shield guide. The difference there is that the assault shield isn't as malleable when you look in different directions. It also doesn't cover as much in certain situations when it is on your back. ...but let us talk MW3. In MW3 the main trick your playstyle centers on is something SnD Riot Shield players have to learn in order to be defensively effective while defusing or planting a bomb. Let me give you a solid application that works for both MW2/3 You see an enemy planting a bomb behind the chair in the plane. Run up to the guy planing. Get the Shield out. Face the aisle. Look in such a way that the shield is in the enemy's face. Hold the defuse button. The enemy shouldn't be able to prone or shoot anything but the shield while they helplessly watch you defuse. A semtex should be the only thing that would kill you in time. Offensively it is used to plant in precarious situations. such as the alleyway at B on resistance. or in scenarios where you need to reload while making up ground....while surviving... exemplified here. but yeah...the playstyle you mention hasn't be explored as deeply as you did in your videos. However, facets of that trick are beneficial to other sorts of riot shield play. I would even make the concession that in non-tdm gamemodes it would actually be more beneficial to have the assault shield out (equipped) at certain key moments. I watched all your stuff. Good self analysis. P.S. are you positive that you run at 8.8 movement speed with that class? I was sure that proficiency didn't work while the weapon is on your back.... in addition... don't you run at the base speed of your heaviest weapon? I might not know what I am talking about.
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Post by fpsdredd on May 27, 2013 8:06:50 GMT -5
Do you mean the class itself or the playstyle? I've never seen anyone use the riot shield in this fashion. The playstyle of having a shield on your back for most of the game (and only using it as an equipment in crucial defensive moments) was something I suggested in the BO2 assault shield guide. The difference there is that the assault shield isn't as malleable when you look in different directions. It also doesn't cover as much in certain situations when it is on your back. ...but let us talk MW3. In MW3 the main trick your playstyle centers on is something SnD Riot Shield players have to learn in order to be defensively effective while defusing or planting a bomb. Let me give you a solid application that works for both MW2/3 You see an enemy planting a bomb behind the chair in the plane. Run up to the guy planing. Get the Shield out. Face the aisle. Look in such a way that the shield is in the enemy's face. Hold the defuse button. The enemy shouldn't be able to prone or shoot anything but the shield while they helplessly watch you defuse. A semtex should be the only thing that would kill you in time. Offensively it is used to plant in precarious situations. such as the alleyway at B on resistance. or in scenarios where you need to reload while making up ground....while surviving... exemplified here. but yeah...the playstyle you mention hasn't be explored as deeply as you did in your videos. However, facets of that trick are beneficial to other sorts of riot shield play. I would even make the concession that in non-tdm gamemodes it would actually be more beneficial to have the assault shield out (equipped) at certain key moments. I watched all your stuff. Good self analysis. P.S. are you positive that you run at 8.8 movement speed with that class? I was sure that proficiency didn't work while the weapon is on your back.... in addition... don't you run at the base speed of your heaviest weapon? I might not know what I am talking about. To generalize that you suggested using the riot shield only as equipment as a comparison to what I am showing here is completely absurd. Your post was good don't get me wrong. But our posts are completely different. Please don't suggest I rehashed anything that you did. I have shown a totally unique way to use the shield. I watched your video and I didn't see a reload using the shield (let alone making up ground while surviving). I saw the very end of a reload and then you switched to the shield to defend against the guy's bullets that started firing after you were done reloading. From there you did a quickswap jumpshot. Cool clip but definitely not as described. "are you positive that you run at 8.8 movement speed with that class? I was sure that proficiency didn't work while the weapon is on your back.... in addition... don't you run at the base speed of your heaviest weapon?" Speeds don't stack but for that brief moment where I switch to the shields I want the speed to remain unchanged before and after the swap. Yes you run at the speed of your heaviest weapon.
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Post by Dumien on May 27, 2013 8:26:08 GMT -5
To generalize that you suggested using the riot shield only as equipment as a comparison to what I am showing here is completely absurd. Your post was good don't get me wrong. But our posts are completely different. Please don't suggest I rehashed anything that you did. I have shown a totally unique way to use the shield. I watched your video and I didn't see a reload using the shield (let alone making up ground while surviving). I saw the very end of a reload and then you switched to the shield to defend against the guy's bullets that started firing after you were done reloading. From there you did a quickswap jumpshot. Cool clip but definitely not as described. "are you positive that you run at 8.8 movement speed with that class? I was sure that proficiency didn't work while the weapon is on your back.... in addition... don't you run at the base speed of your heaviest weapon?" Speeds don't stack but for that brief moment where I switch to the shields I want the speed to remain unchanged before and after the swap. Yes you run at the speed of your heaviest weapon. Oh it is the same concept. Mitigate the Riot Shield's weaknesses by never actually using it (if all goes according to plan). The means of actually going about it are different...of course...because BO2 is not MW3. I'm just saying that you are making a playstyle around one trick. One trick that many shielders had already known about...regardless of "my post." It is a technique that has been in practice by people since MW2. The Lagx clan made some videos (the Nerds Gone Wild series) that utilized this sort of thing for purely comedic effect. Nothing is unique. Everything is rehashed ideas built upon older ideas built upon older ideas. You are just the first person I've known about to actually dedicate a thread to this one. And you didn't watch the full clip of the video because I showed the same thing in slow-mo from a third person view immediately after the first person view (I also add the bit where I kill the first enemy...the first clip is merely the killcam people saw). Combined with SoH the reload is so fast that it is very difficult to see the player do it (nevermind have the enemy get shots in fast enough). It is no surprise you thought it wasn't as described. buuuut... I'm not tryin' to poop yer party. Have fun at yer party.
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Post by fpsdredd on May 27, 2013 9:03:45 GMT -5
To generalize that you suggested using the riot shield only as equipment as a comparison to what I am showing here is completely absurd. Your post was good don't get me wrong. But our posts are completely different. Please don't suggest I rehashed anything that you did. I have shown a totally unique way to use the shield. I watched your video and I didn't see a reload using the shield (let alone making up ground while surviving). I saw the very end of a reload and then you switched to the shield to defend against the guy's bullets that started firing after you were done reloading. From there you did a quickswap jumpshot. Cool clip but definitely not as described. "are you positive that you run at 8.8 movement speed with that class? I was sure that proficiency didn't work while the weapon is on your back.... in addition... don't you run at the base speed of your heaviest weapon?" Speeds don't stack but for that brief moment where I switch to the shields I want the speed to remain unchanged before and after the swap. Yes you run at the speed of your heaviest weapon. Oh it is the same concept. Mitigate the Riot Shield's weaknesses by never actually using it (if all goes according to plan). The means of actually going about it are different...of course...because BO2 is not MW3. I'm just saying that you are making a playstyle around one trick. One trick that many shielders had already known about...regardless of "my post." It is a technique that has been in practice by people since MW2. The Lagx clan made some videos (the Nerds Gone Wild series) that utilized this sort of thing for purely comedic effect. Nothing is unique. Everything is rehashed ideas built upon older ideas built upon older ideas. You are just the first person I've known about to actually dedicate a thread to this one. And you didn't watch the full clip of the video because I showed the same thing in slow-mo from a third person view immediately after the first person view (I also add the bit where I kill the first enemy...the first clip is merely the killcam people saw). Combined with SoH the reload is so fast that it is very difficult to see the player do it (nevermind have the enemy get shots in fast enough). It is no surprise you thought it wasn't as described. It is totally disheartening to showcase new strategy like this for these forums and get met with responses like this. To say what I have posted is copied from anything is such an insult. Shield planting and defusing is the closest thing you'll find that in any way resembles what I have shown here and even then I have taken the shield on back technique to a new level - nobody has thought of manipulating the player model the way I do. Now as far as mitigating the shield's weaknesses... you say it yourself - the means of actually doing are completely different. Not the same. Not derivative. I'd appreciate if you said "I thought of the same weakness but my approach was different" instead of "you copied me." Such an insult. I watched the full clip you posted (including the replay). I didn't see any conscientious decision that led to bullets being blocked by the shield on your back. You switched to the shield to block those bullets. That's a good clip mind you and I'm not bashing the clip. But it is not what I have showcased here. You had a linear decision making process there: Reload, then defend with the shield. The DIFFERENCE is that I do both AT THE SAME TIME. Dumien I don't want to start an argument on here. All I'm saying is that I find it insulting when it is implied that my work is derivative. This a new style that hasn't been used and at the very least I'd appreciate if you wouldn't say otherwise.
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Post by Dumien on May 27, 2013 9:28:18 GMT -5
To say what I have posted is copied from anything is such an insult. I'm just letting the rest of the people here know that to call something "new," "unique." and non- "derivative" is absurd. Of course you derived your playstyle from something.Sure it is your right to be insulted. But you don't have to be. Where did I say that? Oh wait. I didn't! The closest thing that you could have based your misinterpretation on was my original post that said it was "like" my stuff. This was never about you copying me. This was about you saying that you had something groundbreaking, new, and unique. The reason I posted my original comment was because part of the research I did for my most recent guide inculded hours and hours of pouring over riot clan forums. There I found out that many of the ideas I thought were new were not new at all. People discovered them all on their own, learned them as a group, and developed them as a whole. Nothing is unique in any given metagame. It's usually just the winners and the loudest mouths that are given the credit for "innovation." I watched the full clip you posted (including the replay). I didn't see any conscientious decision that led to bullets being blocked by the shield on your back. You switched to the shield to block those bullets. That's a good clip mind you and I'm not bashing the clip. But it is not what I have showcased here. You had a linear decision making process there: Reload, then defend with the shield. The DIFFERENCE is that I do both AT THE SAME TIME. Yup. So did I. I spun while reloading. then switched to the shield. Then pushed forward But...this was never about me. This was about you! Dumien I don't want to start an argument on here. cool. All I'm saying is that I find it insulting when it is implied that my work is derivative. This a new style that hasn't been used and at the very least I'd appreciate if you wouldn't say otherwise. Your style is derivative. Don't be insulted. Everyone's style is derivative.
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Post by fpsdredd on May 27, 2013 9:31:03 GMT -5
Done arguing with you.
I'll let the video speak for itself.
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Post by Dumien on May 27, 2013 9:32:59 GMT -5
Done arguing with you. I'll let the video speak for itself. Indeed. Note that it is week 2 of release. Quick searches on youtube are easy.
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Post by UrbaneVirtuoso on May 27, 2013 9:41:49 GMT -5
That was some good popcorn.
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Post by Dumien on May 27, 2013 9:51:36 GMT -5
Yeah... I get to argue so rarely on these forums... Hey Guy is mostly dominated by IW5K. :/
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Post by fpsdredd on May 27, 2013 9:51:52 GMT -5
Done arguing with you. I'll let the video speak for itself. Indeed. Note that it is week 2 of release. Quick searches on youtube are easy. ya and where exactly does it mention manipulation of the player model? it don't. edit: it doesn't mention anything about how my playstyle works, how it operates, how to use it defensively or anything like that. he says... hmm riot shield might be useful with overkill - that's it. that video has no substance and nobody has done anything since. i've had it trying to be polite... Foxtrot off troll
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Post by Dumien on May 27, 2013 10:04:15 GMT -5
I thought you were done arguing? Now you are just mad Are you going to ask to 1v1 me? It doesn't have to do with the player model. It doesn't need to. It simply proves that this random YTer's concept, at its very core, is the same as yours. Playermodel Schmlayermodel. It comes down to. "If an enemy is shooting you from behind (and if hes terrible), and really doesn't see your legs are exposed, but you could simply crouch down and all he's got is the shield to shoot at, especially if he's at a distance. If you're quick enough with your reaction time you may actually be able to turn around and take the enemy out." That is an unrefined version of your trick and resulting style that gets into the nitty gritty of the playermodel. Hey. It's a good trick. It's just been thought about way longer than you have been thinking about it. Your style is derivative of this trick. It is an evolution of it.
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Post by fpsdredd on May 27, 2013 10:16:51 GMT -5
You are right I am mad. It's why I generally only lurk on forums because I can't help but let guys like you irritate me.
If you have nothing to add to the original post... plz stop shittin on my thread plz.
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Post by Dumien on May 27, 2013 10:24:27 GMT -5
Hey man. Your the one who threw it out of control and started taking offense to every little thing. But that is what you have to deal with. You can't take things personally, but you also have to be able to adequately defend your positions if you post a massive (and very nice) piece of work. My recommendations? Come on over to Hey Guy. Go a few rounds with IW5K, brutal, etc. Then start posting more regularly. You'll have some experience under your belt. I'm actually almost never antagonistic. Most people that pick fights with me end up on my friends list.
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Post by fpsdredd on May 27, 2013 10:27:22 GMT -5
Hey man. Your the one who threw it out of control and started taking offense to every little thing. But that is what you have to deal with. You can't take things personally, but you also have to be able to adequately defend your positions if you post a massive (and very nice) piece of work. My recommendations? Come on over to Hey Guy. Go a few rounds with IW5K, brutal, etc. Then start posting more regularly. You'll have some experience under your belt. I'm actually almost never antagonistic. Most people that pick fights with me end up on my friends list. it's settled then, bff's
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Post by Dumien on May 27, 2013 10:29:35 GMT -5
Bff's. If I still played MW3 frequently I might have tried out a version with the M60 RDS/RF. I loved rushing with that class (overkilled with LSW) so I bet that would translate well to a class using your playstyle. From there I would nix Blind Eye and run SoH because of the painful reload. I don't mind UAVs as much (only one of my classes had assassin) and it would also let me run a hybrid style with the fast swapping (my most familiar MW3 style). In fact it was very similar. Check it. LSW Thermal+Silencer M60 RDS+RF C4/Trophy SoH Overkill Sitrep vvvvvvv M60 RDS+RF Riot Shield Speed C4/Trophy SoH Overkill Sitrep
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Post by beavernator on May 27, 2013 17:46:09 GMT -5
Just to be clear,Mousey and I were talking about Left 4 Dead in this thread.
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Post by fpsdredd on May 27, 2013 20:48:44 GMT -5
it doesnt matter what game we could be talking about, youre dead wrong EDIT: This was my 10k post? f uck my life. means you have a healthy social life imo
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Post by kirbyderby on May 27, 2013 22:09:16 GMT -5
Shouldn't you at least take your life out to dinner first?
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Post by iw5000 on May 28, 2013 10:08:51 GMT -5
Yeah... I get to argue so rarely on these forums... Hey Guy is mostly dominated by IW5K. :/
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Post by jaedrik on May 28, 2013 16:26:47 GMT -5
Yeah... I get to argue so rarely on these forums... Hey Guy is mostly dominated by IW5K. :/ More like IW5GAY OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO amiritelololololololololol Good thread, champ (no, not you, champ).
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Post by fpsdredd on May 30, 2013 15:34:22 GMT -5
Curious if any of you guys have attempted this playstyle yet? Or will be attempting it?
Should I upload a flashier video that shows it owning people?
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Post by Dumien on May 30, 2013 21:07:03 GMT -5
As long as it has dubstep.
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Post by Aphoristic on May 30, 2013 22:18:03 GMT -5
As long as it has dubstep. this
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