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Post by hard1ine on Nov 16, 2013 2:41:49 GMT -5
I have to this day not heard a valid argument disregarding you sucking at games Hard for him, or anyone on this board, to argue with you when all you do is sling grade school insults at people who disagree with you. Just add OpTic to your username and you'll fit right in with the quickscoping community.
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Post by wings on Nov 16, 2013 4:32:32 GMT -5
Huh? I thought OpTic were one of the more professional communities out there. I don't follow MLG closely but there were some bellends in Eurogamer giving a load of jip who probably couldn't fight themselves out of a paper bag. I have heard of one group, or individual members within that group, losing sponsorships for committing unprofessional conduct during competitive tournaments though.
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Post by wings on Nov 16, 2013 5:31:19 GMT -5
At least MW3 had a good mix of small, medium, and large maps. For sniping? I don't think it did. A lot of the long lines of sight were within the MK14's 2HK range. I only had 1 kill that required 3 shots from the MK14 (using a simple red dot without the use of a suppressor) and that was at the start of the match on Downturn as I went prone near my spawn by the bus and shot someone coming down the steps that approach the tanks on the other side. You even didn't need the x4 zoom level for the default scopes that a lot of the rifles offered as the x2.4 zoom for the AS50 was enough. Then you had tier 3 perks that weren't really viable all the time for snipers and heavy gunners alike. Let's see: Marksman? Only handy if people were not using Assassin, which was one of the most popular tier 2 perks in the game. Not sure if it was actually more popular than Quickdraw as many people thought it was Ghost during BO1 and it turned out to be Lightweight. Even then I never found the extra distance to identify targets further afield to be uniformly productive as it appeared best on the ACR rather than guns for longer ranges, such as sniper rifles and LMGs. Extra time to hold breath? Not needed as your enemies will be out of sight by then and you can use the Stability proficiency for sniper rifles instead. The LMGs have a reasonable amount of ammo so that a few rounds missing is no concern. Steady Aim? Why would you need to decrease your hipfire spread for? Quickscoping? You wouldn't want to hipfire with an LMG either. Dead Silence? You're tactical loitering for the time you are sniping so you won't be making much noise anyway. It can be handy for relocating but if you need to relocate frequently then perhaps the map isn't big enough then or the revenge spawns are screwing you over. SitRep? Somewhat handy before it was buffed so you can avoid explosives without alerting enemies, unlike Stalker that just delayed their trigger times. It was much more useful for snipers and heavy gunners when it got buffed so you would be caught off-guard less and, for LMGs, you can hear out enemies to know when it's safe to reload much easier without needing Sleight of Hand. This frees up a tier 1 perk for Blind Eye so you can instantly shoot down streaks with less ammo consumption and you could forego a launcher in place of a pistol. The only streak that might be an issue would be the AC-130 so just take that into considering on maps with some significant open areas. Stalker? As above. Plus, you're not going to be strafing unless you're deliberately going to use an ACOG on it and strafe walk with it. Might be a fun way to play but you'll be gimping yourself perhaps overly when doing so but I guess it's more viable with a semi-automatic as I will be trying this out in Ghosts with the Lynx (I used the 1887 Model in that game as I don't mind not using optimal setups 100% of the time but I have limits like not touching the Executioner in BO2 etc). Using Stalker was better for LMGs as you could evade the need to use Quickdraw if you wanted but it became more useful the more mobile you were with an LMG, in which case you may as well be using an AR. There will plenty of dropped guns from killed players (MP7s, ACRs and Type 95s aplenty) so ammo really isn't necessary if you try to be as mobile as possible with an LMG. As above, you'd be saving on ammo, and the need to reload as often, when using Blind Eye if you have used your gun to down streaks. You will also have a handy soft counter to the frequent Predator Missiles there are so running Assassin over Quickdraw might be a reasonable choice if your enemies require the red diamond over players to kill. Some of the best places for heavy gunners to go prone are out in the open (e.g. Mission). I think MW3 has some merits for heavy gunner usage, both in terms of map design and weapon handling (perks or attachments), over Ghosts but that's not really surprising as they suffer too much damage drop off and I don't think there are many places where heavy gunners can go prone, to take advantage of any accuracy related stance boosts and minimising their probable identification by enemy players. While crouching usually hides enough from some players, if there is an option to run a suppressor on an LMG, I would prefer to be able to go prone and run a red Gamertag removing perk to supplement the suppressor. This particular feature is quite undervalued by a quite a few players. I happily used Cold Blooded ahead of Scavenger in BO2, for example. And Scavenger was arguably the best perk in the game second only to Toughness. All of my 10+ gunstreaks using sniper rifles only came when I used Toughness and Cold Blooded and I doubt it's a coincidence completely.
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Post by aidsaidsaids on Nov 16, 2013 5:40:20 GMT -5
Hard for him, or anyone on this board, to argue with you when all you do is sling grade school insults at people who disagree with you. Grade school insults are the only appropriate response to grade school intellect. Post something worthy of a real response for a change and you might get one, fag.
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Post by pachiderm on Nov 16, 2013 10:13:17 GMT -5
Like the SAW it is FUN, that's why i play. I cannot believe someone thinks the 870 was not OP blops2. Bad troll. Go away.
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Post by tiesieman on Nov 16, 2013 10:58:30 GMT -5
hey pachiderm, were you the guy who was supposed to download Dota but couldn't because of some older mac os?
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Post by titan on Nov 16, 2013 12:09:55 GMT -5
Like the SAW it is FUN, that's why i play. I cannot believe someone thinks the 870 was not OP blops2. Bad troll. Go away. I am trying to go away. Stop posting so i get no more messages. I follows marvs charts, and signed on to message him about cranked perks. I was getting operation challenges for certain cranked perks but not agility, and wanted to know if they stack. He was kind enough to reply. I figured i would leave a feel good post about ghosts, oops. Sorry to you bros for posting on the technicals page. Im off to troll with my SAW, whatever that means.
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Post by -3055- on Nov 16, 2013 12:13:49 GMT -5
He was talking about the "R870 op" part, not the saw part.
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Post by ChloeB42 (Alexcalibur42) on Nov 16, 2013 12:16:35 GMT -5
I am trying to go away. Stop posting so i get no more messages. I follows marvs charts, and signed on to message him about cranked perks. I was getting operation challenges for certain cranked perks but not agility, and wanted to know if they stack. He was kind enough to reply. I figured i would leave a feel good post about ghosts, oops. Sorry to you bros for posting on the technicals page. Im off to troll with my SAW, whatever that means. I'm 99% positive he was referring to the God awful R870 as being OP. Seeing how it wasn't.
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Post by angrybeast96 on Nov 16, 2013 12:49:13 GMT -5
Pro tip - no shotgun is ever OP amongst the bros (save maybe the Pre-patch akimbo models from MW2). We have been complaining about the shotties since blops1, and it isn't ending any time soon. I swear, in Blops3 the shotguns will probably just be the knife with a firing animation,
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Post by LeGitBeeSting on Nov 16, 2013 12:50:45 GMT -5
have been complaining about the shotties since blops1 Try CoD4.
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Post by angrybeast96 on Nov 16, 2013 12:52:40 GMT -5
have been complaining about the shotties since blops1 Try CoD4. I haven't had the fortune of being around this forum since then, but TIL! Thanks for the infos. That W1200 sure was pretty garbage, and don't get me started on the W@W trench gun...
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Post by -3055- on Nov 16, 2013 15:21:58 GMT -5
Pro tip - no shotgun is ever OP amongst the bros (save maybe the Pre-patch akimbo models from MW2). I feel like post patch USAS-12 (when it shot 9 pellets standard but shot 14 (13?) With extended mags) with damage prof and steady aim was pretty op. No one just knew about it, but it was one of the greatest 2 weeks of my life.
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Post by comptonassallen on Nov 16, 2013 16:59:26 GMT -5
Wiretap! Its awesome in ffa.
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Post by hard1ine on Nov 17, 2013 11:17:25 GMT -5
Grade school insults are the only appropriate response to grade school intellect. Post something worthy of a real response for a change and you might get one, fag. Opinions on a video game have nothing to do with intellect. If you (or Mousey) had a life outside of pretending to be important on a message board, you'd know that.
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Post by arcanine2009 on Nov 17, 2013 11:36:55 GMT -5
Grade school insults are the only appropriate response to grade school intellect. Post something worthy of a real response for a change and you might get one, fag. Opinions on a video game have nothing to do with intellect. If you (or Mousey) had a life outside of pretending to be important on a message board, you'd know that. Amen. You guys take it too far sometimes.
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Post by -3055- on Nov 17, 2013 12:07:26 GMT -5
Opinions on a video game have nothing to do with intellect. If you (or Mousey) had a life outside of pretending to be important on a message board, you'd know that. That's the thing though, they're not dumb and they both not only understand the stats of cod but they understand the concepts, community opinions, and the metagame. Sure they can act a bit pretentious sometimes but I don't think it's undeserved. You just kinda get used to it over time.
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Post by -3055- on Nov 17, 2013 12:18:38 GMT -5
I personally never found quickscoping op. Just frustrating. Like shotgun deaths, simply because I feel like there wasnt anything I could've done just because the death is instant. Especially for shotguns. With snipers it's more like "fuck I fucked up". Since in terms of sprint to ads my ar is far better than his snilel rifle
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Post by -3055- on Nov 17, 2013 12:53:59 GMT -5
Very true. Aren't killcams also very unreliable? But knives will be the one thing that I forever unjustifiably despise.
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Post by LeGitBeeSting on Nov 17, 2013 12:56:44 GMT -5
As long as lag exists the knife will forever be BS as well as why shank munkies are xtremely annoying despite them almost never performing well.
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Post by ChloeB42 (Alexcalibur42) on Nov 17, 2013 13:33:38 GMT -5
Pro tip - no shotgun is ever OP amongst the bros (save maybe the Pre-patch akimbo models from MW2). I feel like post patch USAS-12 (when it shot 9 pellets standard but shot 14 (13?) With extended mags) with damage prof and steady aim was pretty op. No one just knew about it, but it was one of the greatest 2 weeks of my life. I thought they patched the ExMags before the shotgun buffs? Maybe I'm remembering wrong.
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Post by -3055- on Nov 17, 2013 13:50:42 GMT -5
OH one justification. It makes shotguns a bit more worse. If knifing didn't exist then shotguns would have a much better extreme cqc niche. Right now it has a very small area of short range to kinda more than knife range as its niche range.
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Post by -3055- on Nov 17, 2013 13:53:32 GMT -5
I feel like post patch USAS-12 (when it shot 9 pellets standard but shot 14 (13?) With extended mags) with damage prof and steady aim was pretty op. No one just knew about it, but it was one of the greatest 2 weeks of my life. I thought they patched the ExMags before the shotgun buffs? Maybe I'm remembering wrong. They forgot lol. There was like a 1~2 week grace period and it was AMAZING. Super reliable OSKs to amazing range.
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Post by -3055- on Nov 17, 2013 13:58:31 GMT -5
Oh wait just got it. And yeah I know but it's not like we could ever have shotguns beat smg in close range (ranges where even the worst recoil guns don't matter) since that sort of range renders shotguns crazy op. And iw/treyarch would never disappoint their community bank. Nonono. They need that investment. I'm just focusing on the other end of their small spectrum. It'll help out at the least, since no one but shotties will have a 1sk potential in extreme cqc.
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Post by LeGitBeeSting on Nov 17, 2013 14:00:46 GMT -5
The reasons why shotguns are bad are too numerous to be contained in a single thread.
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Post by -3055- on Nov 17, 2013 14:03:05 GMT -5
Right but I enjoy them and I'm just saying taking out the knife helps shotgun users the most. Something I'd always welcome.
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Post by ChloeB42 (Alexcalibur42) on Nov 17, 2013 14:05:48 GMT -5
The reasons why shotguns are bad are too numerous to be contained in a single thread. But R870 is OP... Naw couldn't type it with a straight face.
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Post by LeGitBeeSting on Nov 17, 2013 14:05:55 GMT -5
Man I'd wish they'd bring back bayonets but for shotguns only.
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Post by ChloeB42 (Alexcalibur42) on Nov 17, 2013 14:07:02 GMT -5
Man I'd wish they'd bring back bayonets but for shotguns only. So...bring back commando and get rid of shotguns? lel
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Post by -3055- on Nov 17, 2013 14:39:23 GMT -5
But R870 is OP... Naw couldn't type it with a straight face. R870 IS OP AS F UCK
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