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Post by k4ever on Mar 13, 2014 1:21:34 GMT -5
All I read are mixed opinions about how pc master race using kb+m combo still dominate aim assisted controllers, or that it doesnt matter. I have never played a multiplayer fps game on pc, so this will be my first title. Ive never used a mouse obviously, so I know Im going to get my ass handed down to me in a silver platter ... at first. Which mice you guys use and which ones would you recommend to a total noob on pc online fps gaming, but above average fps player on console ( 3.0KD cod player )?
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Post by Aphoristic on Mar 13, 2014 1:24:38 GMT -5
Get a Razer DeathAdder. It's basically the best mouse you could get.
Personally, I use a Razer Naga, but that's only because I enjoy my mouse with a number pad on the side of it because I can.
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Post by k4ever on Mar 13, 2014 2:45:56 GMT -5
Well, the Deathadder looks like a normal mouse with regular number of buttons. Im not going to use the keyboard at all besides movement, and even that Im thinking to use joy2key in order to move with a controller analog stick. The naga is more like it because I can bind many other actions in the extra number pad. Thanks.
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Post by n1gh7 on Mar 13, 2014 3:48:20 GMT -5
I use the Razer Diamondback 3G. It's not sold anymore, but its successor, the Taipan is. Its got 2 buttons on both sides of the mouse which is what interested me when I thought I was just going to use the keyboard for movement and have everything else be off of the mouse when playing COD. The problem with this is that it all depends on how you hold the mouse. With most grips, you can realistically only get solid presses on one side of the mouse in addition to the top reliably. I think through that your preference should not be based off of how many buttons there are if you are playing such a twitchy shooter such as TF, but how the mouse feels in your hand. Being accurate and comfortable is much more advantageous that having more buttons accessible. In a high stress, fast situation I don't think you will want to be thumbing around on all 12 of those side buttons. I recommend looking at the Imperator as it has 7 buttons which can all be accessed discretely and quickly.
There are 15 action buttons in TF other than movement that you will probably use. Fire, ADS, Melee, Grenade, Ability, Use, Reload, Eject, Titanfall, Switch Weapons, Equip Anti-Titan, Pick Up Weapon, Sprint, Jump, and Crouch. If you assume that you have Fire and ADS on your right and left click, and have your pinky and thumb operate Jump, Sprint, and 2 other things on Caps Lock and Ctrl, the last 9 actions can all be run on the Imperator.
But then again, it's all up to you. Maybe you want to get into a game that would utilize all 12 of those side buttons with Macros or something. But I strongly recommend trying out a wide range of mice before you settle. Go try a buddy's, visit a store, or buy a bunch with good return policies. Try other brands too, Razer isn't the end all brand. You don't wanna settle with a mouse that you are half-happy with. Good luck.
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Post by SheWolf on Mar 13, 2014 4:28:17 GMT -5
i use a logitech g700s. it's not as flashy as many of the razers, but more accurate and it has buttons galore (13 freely programmable buttons and instantly switchable profiles should be enough for most any purpose). you can use it cordles via usb dongle, but i prefer to use it with cable to not have to worry about battery life and input lag and such.
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Post by sirknumskull on Mar 13, 2014 5:00:38 GMT -5
As noneghseven already said first rule of getting a good mouse is how well it fits your hand.
For shooters you don't need that many buttons. Depending on finger positioning usually it's three to four buttons maximum, only few players use more buttons. Hitting alot of smaller buttons mid-combat isn't easy and it may interfere with your aim. These mice with tons of buttons are usually used for RPGs and sometimes RTS games, but rarely for something that relies on reactions and precision.
Then there is the technical side. The big thing is mouse acceleration, which doesn't help with precision. Then there is yaw/pitch correction aka angle snapping, which is more a thing of preference than 'science'. Different opionions on this divide the mousers into two different camps, the oldschool opticals and the luscious lasers. I made the names up, but that's what it boils down to. The more modern sensors with laser illumination (e.g. Avago ADNS-9000 series) offer higher CPI (aka DPI) and reduced lift-off distances, but also incorporate a slight amount of acceleration and also feature angle snapping. Many people consider the latter to reduce their control, but that comes down to preference.
Most mouse guides will tell you to stay clear of laser mice because of their interference with tracking, but as I just mentioned it's preference. Beginners usually like the laser feel more, more experienced gamers prefer the raw input of optical mice. Then there are the mad mice monkeys over at overclockers.net that drool over the slightest bit of smoothing. And at the end of the day, it isn't a huge difference anyway, it's the hand on the mouse that makes all the difference. Just get decent model that fits your hand and gripping style well.
These are decent opticals: Logitech G400s, Zowie EC1 Evo or EC2 Evo, Razer Deathadder 2013, Razer Abyssus, Steelseries Kana V2
And for the lasers: Razer Taipan, Razer Imperator, Logitech G500s, Steelseries Sensei
There are tons more with the same sensors and comparable software, so they actually track and feel the same for the most part. Tese are the ones I had and have hands-on experience with (and was satisfied).
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Post by Pegasus Actual on Mar 13, 2014 6:26:57 GMT -5
I love the Mionix Naos series. I think the laser has some slight built in acceleration (which I don't really notice). And it doesn't have a crazy number of buttons. A good mouse pad is also important, I use Steelseries 2HD and 4HD personally. Maybe you should just start with a normal cheapo mouse and at least figure out what kind of grip you prefer. Because apparently weirdos out there who just hold the mouse with their fingers without resting their palm on it.
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Post by n1gh7 on Mar 13, 2014 8:36:12 GMT -5
I use the Razer Diamondback 3G. It's not sold anymore, but its successor, the Taipan is. I have taipan. It's alright and does its job. Two friends I know have the steelseries sensei and roccat kone and I'd reccomend those over this one. Yeah I wouldn't actually recommend that mouse unless the shape is 100% perfectly the best for you. I don't really even like my mouse, but it gets the job done and I'm cheap and I've modified it a bit so I'm sticking with it.
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Post by k4ever on Mar 13, 2014 11:36:27 GMT -5
Damn, I thought this was going to be easy. I have 2 mice, one being a regular logitech one with an extra button on both sides, and my favorite ... a trackball one. I love the trackball because I can just sit back on my desk chair and browse the web and play point and click games very relaxed. That g13 looks like a device made on cybertron or something ... really cool but I dont think I will buy it ( game plus mouse plus g13 = way over $200 .. lol no ). I will be using my left hand with the xbox controller for windows and with joytokey. I will be resting the controller on my leg so weight wont be a problem, and Ill be using the dpad, left trigger and left bumper as well. I just need a mouse with 6 buttons in order to use the rest of the controller buttons (x,y,a,b,lt,lb).
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Post by Aphoristic on Mar 13, 2014 14:52:19 GMT -5
Let's see... LT = Melee LB = Jump/Dash LS = Move/Sprint DU = Eject DR = DL = Equip Anti-Titan Weapon DD = Titanfall
M1 = Fire M2 = Aim M3 = Tactical Ability Wheel = Switch Weapons Extra button 1 = Grenade? Extra button 2 = Reload? Extra button 3 = Use/Disembark? Extra button 4 = Crouch?
It's just confusing to try and do this. If I were you, I'd look into getting a PlayStation Move Navigation controller instead of one hand holding an xbox controller... (or just get used to the keyboard. It's not that scary.)
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Post by Usagi on Mar 13, 2014 17:51:32 GMT -5
I use a Death Adder. It's a bit big for my average-sized hands and I can't reach one of the thumb buttons easily because I have to hold the mouse in a certain way and my thumb can't reach without readjusting my hand, and that screws up my aim if I try to do it in the heat of combat. It's very comfotable for me though. It's definitely made for a palm-grip, so if you're a claw-gripper I think you should avoid it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2014 19:09:24 GMT -5
As noneghseven already said first rule of getting a good mouse is how well it fits your hand. For shooters you don't need that many buttons. Depending on finger positioning usually it's three to four buttons maximum, only few players use more buttons. Hitting alot of smaller buttons mid-combat isn't easy and it may interfere with your aim. These mice with tons of buttons are usually used for RPGs and sometimes RTS games, but rarely for something that relies on reactions and precision. Then there is the technical side. The big thing is mouse acceleration, which doesn't help with precision. Then there is yaw/pitch correction aka angle snapping, which is more a thing of preference than 'science'. Different opionions on this divide the mousers into two different camps, the oldschool opticals and the luscious lasers. I made the names up, but that's what it boils down to. The more modern sensors with laser illumination (e.g. Avago ADNS-9000 series) offer higher CPI (aka DPI) and reduced lift-off distances, but also incorporate a slight amount of acceleration and also feature angle snapping. Many people consider the latter to reduce their control, but that comes down to preference. Most mouse guides will tell you to stay clear of laser mice because of their interference with tracking, but as I just mentioned it's preference. Beginners usually like the laser feel more, more experienced gamers prefer the raw input of optical mice. Then there are the mad mice monkeys over at overclockers.net that drool over the slightest bit of smoothing. And at the end of the day, it isn't a huge difference anyway, it's the hand on the mouse that makes all the difference. Just get decent model that fits your hand and gripping style well. These are decent opticals: Logitech G400s, Zowie EC1 Evo or EC2 Evo, Razer Deathadder 2013, Razer Abyssus, Steelseries Kana V2 And for the lasers: Razer Taipan, Razer Imperator, Logitech G500s, Steelseries Sensei There are tons more with the same sensors and comparable software, so they actually track and feel the same for the most part. Tese are the ones I had and have hands-on experience with (and was satisfied). Also worth pointing out is that most CPI ranges are bloated outside of their native ranges just to put big numbers on the back of the box. The native CPI range for the A9500 (I think the 9800 as well) is something like 5040 with 90 step increments and the Sensei as well as other mice that share the same sensor boast these ridiculous CPI's that no one will ever use. As said already, more than anything get what looks the most comfortable. For example if you palm grip your mouse get something like the DeathAdder/EC1/Rival. Sensor performance means jack shit if you feel like the mouse you're using is uncomfortable to use.
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Post by k4ever on Mar 13, 2014 19:45:57 GMT -5
Let's see... LT = Melee LB = Jump/Dash LS = Move/Sprint DU = Eject DR = DL = Equip Anti-Titan Weapon DD = Titanfall M1 = Fire M2 = Aim M3 = Tactical Ability Wheel = Switch Weapons Extra button 1 = Grenade? Extra button 2 = Reload? Extra button 3 = Use/Disembark? Extra button 4 = Crouch? It's just confusing to try and do this. If I were you, I'd look into getting a PlayStation Move Navigation controller instead of one hand holding an xbox controller... (or just get used to the keyboard. It's not that scary.) I like this idea about using the move controller. It had 8 inputs besides the analog stick, that when combined with a mouse like the deathadder will give me 13 buttons total. Pretty close to a ps3/xbox controller. Problem is that the move controller is wireless, so Im not sure how much input lag will affect my gameplay on a fast paced fps like this one.
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Post by Aphoristic on Mar 13, 2014 20:12:25 GMT -5
Aiming is what requires the least input lag. A small amount affecting movement or whatever shouldn't be a big deal.
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Post by mannon on Mar 23, 2014 1:06:53 GMT -5
Personally I'm a big fan of Razer mice. I've been using them since the original Boomslang, which was like a shovel with a big butt. heh But it was a pretty sweet mouse for it's day. I probably played more hours of more games with it than anything else. That was an old ball mouse before optical was really developed, though. It's hard to say, though. Because I also used a Diamondback for about 8 years. I wore the grippy coating down off the buttons and wound up just cleaning it all off with alcohol which left them shiny and black, still pretty cool. I also wore down the feet. But it still works just fine. Great mouse. Currently I'm using a Mamba. I wanted a newer one with more resolution and not quite so worn out and I liked the idea of the two little index finger buttons on the edge of the main button. By default they are used for on the fly sensitivity. It didn't work quite as well as I'd planned as the mouse is bigger than I thought it was. So the index finger buttons are actually a bit awkward. But the thumb buttons are better than the Diamondback so they are a bit more usable. The form isn't ideal for my grip style, but I've adapted and I still like it. Grip style is super important, though. I don't recommend the Mamba for a claw or finger gripper. It's a bit big for it. I manage, but only just and have big hands. If not sure of your preferred grip do some research and testing. Try this page: www.razerzone.com/gaming-miceAlso there are plenty of other decent gaming mice these days, and Razer is honestly a bit pricey by comparison. I don't mind it because it's rare that I buy a mouse so I might as well get what I really want if I'm going to use it for probably longer than I will keep this PC. heh Seriously I think I used my last mouse across two complete PC upgrades.
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Post by SheWolf on Mar 23, 2014 12:55:45 GMT -5
Personally I'm a big fan of Razer mice. I've been using them since the original Boomslang, which was like a shovel with a big butt. oh god i had that thing back then! it was fucking humungoid especially for my tiny hands, but the ball was super smooth (insert dirty joke of your choice here), the buttons soft as butter and the absurd cable lenght didn't hurt either. i since then have switched to logitech for their more precise sensors, but i still fondly remember this monstrosity
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Post by mannon on Mar 28, 2014 17:41:04 GMT -5
Yeah, it took ages to get used to. I think I developed something of a callus on my pinkie from holding the round butt while trying not to push any of the buttons that covered the entire front surface of the mouse and the two hollows on either side of the shovel as well. heh The big buttons were really sensitive too. Had me some good times in Q3 and TFC with that. The best (and last) ball mouse I ever used. In fact I probably still have it somewhere.
Weird bit was they came in a round cookie tin. ;3
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2014 18:27:06 GMT -5
Obligatory picture of biological mice in a thread for mechanical mice.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2014 18:30:07 GMT -5
In all seriousness I have an ANKER 2k DPI Optical Gaming Mouse. It glows and stuff.
Also, fun fact about wheat mice- their tails can latch onto stuff- they're monkey mice.
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