probaddie
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Post by probaddie on May 13, 2014 13:08:13 GMT -5
The following are the changes to the SMGs that went live on May 9, 2014 (including the already-posted Bizon changes): Bizon: - Head shot multiplier reduced from 1.5x to 1.3x
- Range reduced to 400 - 828 (down from 528 - 956)
- ADS ViewKick (YawMin, PitchMax and MinMagnitude) increased to 32, 62 and 30 (up from 30, 60 and 28) (Recoil Plots)
Vepr: - ADS in time reduced to 200ms (down from 250ms)
CBJ-MS: - Range reduced to 414 - 856 (down from 478 - 956)
Edit: Missed a recoil number
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Post by TheHawkNY on May 13, 2014 13:14:22 GMT -5
Thanks, probaddie!
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Post by I Am Hollywood5 on May 13, 2014 13:22:44 GMT -5
Lol. IW is so confused and clueless when it comes to balance. I'm pretty sure that makes the Bizon overall a little worse than it was before they first buffed it. And nerfing the CBJ-MS? I spit out my drink when I read that. That gun was probably still the worst SMG even after that round of buffs. And yet they still refuse to nerf the MTAR, which is once again obvious best in the class.
Don't get me wrong, I'm glad IW is actually willing to nerf guns this time around (unlike MW3 where they believed in only buffing) but they have no idea what balance looks like. If they are going to nerf the Bizon, they need to also nerf the MTAR (like reducing mag to 30 and increasing recoil, i'd suggest)
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Post by -3055- on May 13, 2014 13:36:17 GMT -5
Vepr: - ADS in time reduced to 200ms (down from 250ms)
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Post by UrbaneVirtuoso on May 13, 2014 13:52:44 GMT -5
The CBJ-MS nerf is fucking jarring, but the Vepr buff is appreciated so there's that at least.
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Post by -3055- on May 13, 2014 13:56:53 GMT -5
I was already all over the vepr but now...
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Post by UrbaneVirtuoso on May 13, 2014 13:59:55 GMT -5
Indeed. The epitome of unf right here.
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Post by TheHawkNY on May 13, 2014 14:05:37 GMT -5
The CBJ-MS nerf is fucking jarring, but the Vepr buff is appreciated so there's that at least. It is somewhat surprising - I never see anyone using the CBJ-MS, even after the buff.
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Post by kylet357 on May 13, 2014 14:10:22 GMT -5
I used it and thought it was great because I used the suppressor on it. I honestly hope those tards over at MLG didn't complain about it.
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Post by argentetoile on May 13, 2014 17:39:24 GMT -5
I used it and thought it was great because I used the suppressor on it. I honestly hope those tards over at MLG didn't complain about it. They didn't, they were complaining about the Bizon exclusively. Nobody used the CBJ. Curious, what do you all think the best combination of SMG/attachments is after all these changes? The MLG guys pretty much exlusively use the MTAR w/ Grip and Muzzle Brake or the Vector with RDS and Muzzle Brake, but they always seem to have a group-think mentality, i.e. one pro says a gun is good, everyone else uses it. It seems to me the VEPR could compete on smaller maps with having the fastest sprint out time in its class and now an equal ADS time, with a fast fire rate, as well as having a slightly better accuracy rating than the Vector.
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Post by kylet357 on May 13, 2014 19:35:28 GMT -5
Vepr is either mid range with Grip and Muzzle Break, or Rapid Fire and Muzzle Break for a close range class. CBJ-MS is pretty much Extended Mags with whatever you want. Bizon is Muzzle Break and Extended Mags. Vector is Grip and whatever you want. Ripper is Muzzle Break and Extended Mags. Last, but certainly not least, the MTAR-X is Grip and Rapid Fire for me. I know you guys all have your different setups for it though.
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Post by -3055- on May 13, 2014 19:48:14 GMT -5
Grip and muzzle brake for everything. Except the mtar which is grip and rds
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Post by kylet357 on May 13, 2014 21:27:36 GMT -5
I've new found Iron Sights to be a problem except on the G36C (though I did use it on the MK14 just because I thought that besides Ext. Mags, there wasn't a lot more else to put on). Hell, I can even use the M60 sights from CoD4. I guess more power to me for being able to use most of the sights.
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Post by banana on May 14, 2014 10:12:07 GMT -5
The Vepr buff is cool.
The Cbj nerf is the dumbest thing ever. What it needed was a buff.
They should have left the Bizon recoil how it used to be and I don't remember if its new range is better than its range at launch.
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