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Post by kylet357 on Aug 5, 2015 10:47:34 GMT -5
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Post by wittyscorpion on Aug 27, 2015 13:07:08 GMT -5
Need some help on ranking unlocks, so I can have something to look forward to when grinding through levels, knowing what to expect from higher leveled enemies, as well as plan ahead on my token usage . Does the following sound right? (unlock level in parentheses, 0 = available at start) SPECIALISTSWhat are the most annoying? 1) Rejack(28) 2) Annihilator(22) / Scythe(34) 3) Tempest(0) / Vision Pulse(0) 4) Sparrow(0) / War Machine(0) / Ripper(40) PERKSTop tier: Awareness (0), Fast Hands (0), Flak Jacket(20), Tactical Mask(32), Ghost(38), Scavenger(44) (Rest can be ignored?) PRIMARY WEAPONSTop tier (= try hard): Razorback(4), M8A7(28) Other weapons worth considering? All ARs? Vesper(26)? SECONDARY WEAPONSXM53(0) before Blackhat, pistols after? Pistols all pretty solid, RK5(22) is considered the best pony. LETHAL & TACTICALTop tier: Frag(0), Concussion(0), Blackhat (23) SCORESTREAKSTop tier: UAV(0), Hellstorm(0), Care Package(12), R.A.P.S.(15), CUAV (27), H.A.T.R.(30) WILDCARDSPrimary Gunfighter top priority, perk greed when there are needs for 2 from the same tier. How many Blackhat can you equip? Do you need Tactician if you want 2? Perk 1 Greed (Level 7) Perk 2 Greed (Level 10) Perk 3 Greed (Level 13) Overkill (Level 16) Primary Gunfighter (Level 19) Secondary Gunfighter (Level 22) Tactician (Level 26) Danger Close (Level 28)
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Post by beavenge on Aug 27, 2015 13:12:57 GMT -5
Raffica clone is best pony
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Post by wittyscorpion on Aug 27, 2015 13:15:48 GMT -5
Raffica clone is best pony RK5 unlocked at 22? Yeah, that one looks insane in the twitch streams I watched. OP updated.
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Post by ph0nics215 on Aug 27, 2015 13:53:31 GMT -5
Personally I think the L Car 9 puts the RK5 to shame. For me, I'd say the most annoying things r definitely rejack and the hive, scythe might be a tad too strong. As far as weapons go, M8A7 > every other AR. Smgs r a little tougher, personally I think the Kuda is best but a lot of ppl like the razorback bc zero recoil and long 4sk range. Sniper - Locust bc OSK. Shotguns - KRM-262 bc OSK(hopefully). LMGs - BRM hits pretty hard and has hardly any recoil. Pistols - L Car 9. Perks I'd say all I usually run was ghost/flak jacket(depending on gamemode) fast hands and tac mask. Gung-ho is AMAZING for shotguns(the KRM should have it's own thread w/ all the weird things going on there) and awareness is really strong too.
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Post by blackbarney on Aug 28, 2015 11:09:59 GMT -5
Wittyscorpion, thanks a ton for that post. It's the most useful one I've found on BlackOps3 so far and is a big help at navigating all the options. Just unlocked the Razorback and am loving it. Tried War Machine but much prefer Tempest in the end, I think you're rankings are bang-on.
thanks again, great list and ranking
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Post by wittyscorpion on Aug 28, 2015 11:47:30 GMT -5
Thanks. The list is basically compiled from various posts made here, with a little bit my in-game impression.
I think that my ranking of Specialist is off. Tempest is definitely one of the best with that 100% hip fire accuracy.
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Post by blackbarney on Aug 28, 2015 12:41:46 GMT -5
No, I think your list is good. The charging of the tempest is rough. My buddy and I have been testing the specialists and he's been abusing Rejack with great success.
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Post by RageHulkSmash on Aug 28, 2015 18:30:05 GMT -5
Active camo had to be one of the most BS specialist skills. I rarely saw it but I didn't notice any outlines or glimmers of enemies when they used it on me.
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Post by kylet357 on Aug 28, 2015 19:05:49 GMT -5
I didn't notice any outlines or glimmers of enemies when they used it on me. That would defeat the point of it, if you could.
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Post by Megaqwerty on Aug 29, 2015 15:30:23 GMT -5
But this other game I played recently used that to balance cloaking.
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Post by kylet357 on Aug 29, 2015 17:32:45 GMT -5
In my opinion, it just makes cloaking useless in Call of Duty. Exo Cloak is shit because it's so easy to see. Besides that, the cloak doesn't last long in the first place.
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Post by wittyscorpion on Aug 29, 2015 19:26:34 GMT -5
Weapon tuning just went live, patch notes: https://www.reddit.com/r/blackops3/comments/3iwavs/weapon_tuning_specialist_weapon_ability_tuning/
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Post by wittyscorpion on Aug 29, 2015 19:28:47 GMT -5
Disappointed that Shieva did not get any buff. I guess that they are too worried about hacks on semi-auto.
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Post by Usagi on Aug 29, 2015 19:36:48 GMT -5
Why did Shawn Michaels get buffed? Were the assault rifles not strong enough already?
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Post by LeGitBeeSting on Aug 29, 2015 19:46:05 GMT -5
Why did Shawn Michaels get buffed? Were the assault rifles not strong enough already? Yes. However the Haymaker might actually be a lot better now. Should shoot at ~518RPM with RF now.
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Post by banana on Aug 29, 2015 20:12:28 GMT -5
but in turn they messed up the drakon and krm edit: everyone with a reddit account please upvote + comment and agree with my post in that thread: Vondehaar, please give us a stat spreadsheet. It'd make the community way more knowledgable and easier to refute or propose buffs/nerfs
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Post by LeGitBeeSting on Aug 29, 2015 20:15:54 GMT -5
Hopefully the KRM range nerf is a BLOPS2 R870-tier range nerf. However that removal of the Dragunov's Drakgoon's chest multiplier is brutal.
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Post by blackbarney on Aug 29, 2015 20:19:42 GMT -5
I guess it's too early to see if scorpion should be tweaking his list yet
I bet razor falls off. Kuda must be best SMG now. Ripper should climb the charts too? Not sure about KRM
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Post by wittyscorpion on Aug 30, 2015 2:40:19 GMT -5
Just played an hour or so, paintjob (did not get a chance to do that until tonight) on Razorback / M8A7 (just unlocked) / BRM, then 1 KC game each what the paintjobs look like in game . Thoughts: 1) M8A7, even naked, feels great. Pre-nerf must have been godsend ; 2) I started putting silencer on Razorback, even with that + nerf, it still racked a lot of kills. This probably has more to do with the sheer number of newbies out there; 3) Can't believe that they didn't do anything to Blackhat. It's way too crazy to be able to convert UAV and CUAV by just pointing a device at the sky. Every time I did that I can't help but have a grin on my face . At the very least they should increase (like double) the amount of time it takes to hack, or maybe put a big waypoint on the hacker so he can be hunt down; Also, I did not know this until today so it might be news to some other bros as well: you can use multiple primary gunfighter wild card on! This means that at the most you can do this on your favorite primary weapon: 1 optics = 1pt 2 attachments = 2pts (1 primary gunfighter + 1 attachment) x 3 = 6 pts And you still have room for one perk or equipment. That's awesome! In reality you probably don't need to do 3 wild cards, 2 are often enough. I am planning to run the following tomorrow: Razorback with Suppressor + Grip + Stock + Long Barrel (6 pts) XM53 (1pt) Concussion (1pt) Six Sense / Awareness (2pts)
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Post by blackbarney on Aug 30, 2015 9:23:02 GMT -5
No sight, scorpion ?
Why don't you run the better antiair shooter ? That thing is amazing. Four quick shots, more damage. I'm taking out dropships before they drop a second hunter ball, it's sick.
Actually, since you're a blackhat fan, why aren't you running that ?
I would replace concussion with a perk or a sight.
Is sixth sense any good ? I'm liking fast hands, Flak Jacket and engineer.
Anyone have a tip on what should get rerolled? Right now I'm RE rolling anything under talon
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Post by wittyscorpion on Aug 30, 2015 9:37:55 GMT -5
what is the better anti air shooter? I must have missed it.
I like XM53 over Black Hat on this class because I only need 1pt to take down 2 UAVs, and it takes much less time. I run 2 Black Hats on my classes with RK5.
To me sight is not necessary on Razorback because I like its iron. Rather have that point on concussion which is OP, and Tac Mask wont be available until 30+ levels, so most players dont have counters.
I like 6th sense on my SMG rushing class, especially when my gun is weaker due to the suppressor. It's not must have, plan to experiment with other choices on that pt.
Tracker perk on the other hand I cant get it to work. Anybody has any tips on using it effectively?
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Post by wittyscorpion on Aug 30, 2015 10:15:43 GMT -5
I just leart that HATR can be hacked as well?! That's just screwed up...
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Post by LeGitBeeSting on Aug 30, 2015 10:20:14 GMT -5
It takes 12 seconds not including the time it takes to find the HATR. So it takes you out of the game for around ~20 seconds and by that time the HATR is almost over so it's not that OP.
The Black Cell is the anti-air launcher you're thinking of. 4 rockets for the price of one point.
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Post by blackbarney on Aug 30, 2015 10:29:17 GMT -5
I shoot down blackbirds like nobody's bigness.
Scorp, the other antiwar shooter is called blackcat or something. It is amazing. Uniquely anti vehicle tho. It combos with the special who gets double score. Wait until sky fills up, activate double score and shoot everything down. You get all your scorestreaks.
My experience with blackhats has been bad. The time I need it most is when sky is full and I'm spawn trapped. It takes so long that I get killed before finished. Hacking Cuavs is great tho cuz it basically cancels all the uavs in the air. Huge swing. But I think blackhat is only good if you have another teammate running it. Since big scorestreaks take two hacks. Whereas stinger only needs one dedicated teammate to do it. So when lonewolfing it, go stinger. When organized try blackhat.
Blackhat is terrible in obj games too. U don't have time to waste.
Tracker perk?
I hate concussion.
U sure suppressor is necessary?
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Post by wittyscorpion on Aug 30, 2015 12:34:09 GMT -5
Do you mean Black Cell, the RPG like launcher? What do you mean by double score? The specialist ability? EDIT: I see what you mean, Combat Focus. I am enjoying Overclock (earn specialist faster) + Combat Focus right now, alternating between aggressive rushing mode and scorestreak camp ing mode Suppressor is certainly not necessary, it's just more stealthy.
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Post by wittyscorpion on Aug 30, 2015 13:18:48 GMT -5
From Von's tweet stream on future balancing on Blackhat and Flinch:
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Post by Pegasus Actual on Aug 30, 2015 13:24:25 GMT -5
I had RAPS up, was about to get my GI unit. A RAPS ball blew up a guy right in front of me.. and killed me as collateral damage. Then my RAPS deploy ship got hacked. And RAPS balls tried to kill me, but they couldn't because of Astronaut perk, which doesn't work against your own explosions. The whole sequence was completely idiotic.
And yeah, launchers are crazy. I think you get like 150 points for shooting down a care package dropship. WTF?
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Post by wittyscorpion on Aug 30, 2015 13:29:27 GMT -5
What's Astronaut perk?
I don't know what they are thinking on Blackhat. It hacks high scorestreaks too? What's up with that?
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Post by blackbarney on Aug 30, 2015 14:03:01 GMT -5
It takes two Blackhats to hack major scorestreaks but if your teamates have them, it's really not that bad. Must be really frustrating to play against. Speaking of which, I finally got Rejack and have been mastering how to use it to maximum annoyance
I've never been tea bagged this much in my life. Well... maybe college
Scorpion, I don’t see why you'd want silencer without ghost. There are so many uavs going around that they know where you are all the time
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