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Post by klokateer on Oct 22, 2010 10:56:14 GMT -5
Hi all,
I used search to no avail, sorry if redundant.
Perhaps I am confused, but I believe I was told the Magnum Ammo spec increases the distance at which a weapon deals its maximum damage.
I would like learn how to calculate the distance increase.
How do I calculate the distance at which a weapon maintains its original max damage when using the Magnum Ammo spec?
ex. M24 max damage at 10m is 100. Max damage at 10m with Mag. Ammo is 125. How do I find the range that an M24 will deal 100 damage when using Mag. Ammo spec?
Thanks for any help.
also, You are my bro, bro.
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Post by raraavis on Oct 22, 2010 13:24:44 GMT -5
Take a look at the original chart if you haven't already to see how both min and max damage are enhanced. The question isn't figuring out ranges as much as understanding your minimum and max damage. The XM8 is one of the most powerful weapons as it deals 16.7 damage and losing damage over range until it reaches its minimum damage of 14.3 at 60 meters. (For reference the roof with the UAV terminal on Panama Canal to the opposite side of the trench is about 80m.) With magnum you're multiplying those damage numbers by .25 so your new damage range is 20.8 to 17.8 over the same range. You're shooting the same gun but you're dealing proportionately more damage. Found the chart if you don't want to do the mundane math.
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Post by klokateer on Oct 22, 2010 13:31:19 GMT -5
ah ha, I see the error in my question when using your response as a reference point.
I should have asked:
(using your example of the XM8) How do I calculate the range at which the XM8 will deal 16.7 damage when using the Magnum Ammo spec?
*edited OP to reflect the better question.
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Post by raraavis on Oct 22, 2010 14:09:44 GMT -5
Without magnum the M24 deals 100 damage to the body between 0-10 meters. Since players have 100 hitpoints, this is your sweet spot, beyond this range you'll need two shots to kill.
At 20m you're dealing 75 damage and finally you do the least amount of damage at 35m: fifty damage.
Apply .25 to these values to see the benefit of magnum.
With magnum, you deal 125 damage between 0-10m.
At 20m instead of dealing 75 damage, you now deal 100 and your new 35 meter minimum damage is 62.5.
So magnum effectively extends your one shot body kill from the original ten meters to twenty meters but fundamentally that is a very small gain, you can reliably use the M9 or a pistol at these ranges too. Since you want your damage to sum to 100, the total player health, whether you're dealing 50 damage at your furthest range or 62.5 damage, you will still need to land a second shot to land a kill. In other words, at long range ranges and on the body the M24 will more often than not require two shots to be fatal even with magnum.
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Post by klokateer on Oct 22, 2010 15:04:51 GMT -5
I really do appreciate the help, man. But you're not really answering my question. It is probably due to my bad communication, so I apologize for that. Here is a third attempt to ask, hopefully this will make sense.
I want to know how to calculate at which distance a weapon's damage is maximum using the Mag. Ammo spec. The examples I used above were only for ease of use (100x1.25=125, easy). I'm not interested in OHK range.
So… example, M24 deals 100 damage up to 10m. At 9m the damage is less than 100. How do I find this value?
If I understand correctly, most weapons differ in their distance:damage figures. How/where can I find this information? Den's chart is awesome but it doesn't show the damage decline in number form, how to calculate it, or where he got it.
Lastly, when I have this information, how do I calculate the results using the modifier for Mag. Ammo? (this I believe you answered, multiply the desired distance:damage x1.25)
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Post by Den on Oct 22, 2010 15:37:50 GMT -5
It's simple, though you need to take a bunch of steps to get to the answer for each weapon. The damage is increased, the range at which damage linearly drops does not change.
The M24 as your choice example: 125 and 62.5 damage with Magnum. 10 and 36 range.
1. Subtract the smaller numbers of from the larger numbers.
62.5 damage lost over the course of 26 meters.
2. Divide the lost damage by the loss range.
62.5/26 = 2.404 damage lost with every meter.
3. Subtract the original Max damage from the Magnum Max Damage
125-100=25
4. Divide the damage difference by the Damage Lost Per Meter.
25/2.404 = 10.4~ meters
5. Add that distance to the Max Damage Range
20.4 meters is the near exact distance at which the damage will have dropped to its original damage.
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Other example, the M249 SAW. 17.875 - 14 Damage = 3.875 Damage 64 - 18 Range = 46 Range
3.875 / 46 = 0.084239 Damage Lost Per Meter 17.875 - 14.3 = 3.575 Magnum Ammo Damage Difference
3.575 / 0.084239 = 42.4 Meters to Reach Original Damage 42.4 + 18 = 60.4 New Original Damage Range
Since the SAW's new minimum damage is just under the Maximum's original 14.3 and the damage loss is very small, it would obviously be very close to the end of the Range Falloff.
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Post by klokateer on Oct 22, 2010 15:46:49 GMT -5
killer.
Thanks for the information, Den, and the help before that, raraavis.
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