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Post by dog on Apr 10, 2009 1:02:35 GMT -5
i have tried both of those techniques on the pc, and the one tht works the best in u stand, and as u are goin 2 pull the trigger you crouch and move in any direction OR do the same put prone and it makes the crosshairs smaller and centers the bullet off and works 9/10 and i did it in my pics and only 1 was slightly off line (the 1 tht is on the right and below the rest) tht 1 didn't work fully right and for me this is the best technique for pc Could you upload the demo for that? I wanna watch. =]
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Post by crazylad10 on Apr 10, 2009 3:21:15 GMT -5
soz m8 my pc don't let me, as soon as i recored my fps goes to like 5 and it crashes the game, but i will try and see if i can get my m8 so do one, when he gets back to england and gets his pc finished
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Post by mannon on Apr 10, 2009 3:37:56 GMT -5
There's some Youtube stuff, though I've not seen anything conclusive in it.
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Post by dndead on Apr 10, 2009 5:05:08 GMT -5
this is very good uncut g-shot tutorial. if you seriously think its pure luck, then i guess you hate the g-shot for some reason. also, people use the acog and steady aim because if they are pure noscoping a match they need the extra power from the acog to make sure if you get a hit your target will die. steady aim helps if you run into someone and you don't have the luxury of g-shotting, the crosshairs being smaller also helps determine where the center is for medium/long range shots.
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Post by mannon on Apr 10, 2009 15:56:05 GMT -5
I still can't get it to work, not against a wall anyway...
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Post by dndead on Apr 10, 2009 17:09:40 GMT -5
mannon, the timing leaves no room for error at all. keep practicing, try kill house and aim in the litte red circles (if you don't have buddy that wants to get shot a bunch).
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Post by mannon on Apr 11, 2009 5:03:39 GMT -5
I have WaW not CoD4... And on 360...
I think I might be seeing it now. If I'm right then yes the timing is REALLY tight. Trying to move one way and then the other wasn't working and was a problem for aiming consistently at one spot too so i tried the sit still then move method.
Crouching and then moving back not exactly when I fired but just barely a hair before I fired seemed to net me several center shots on a wall. It is of course possible to get center shots even random, but it did seem to happen more than when i didn't do it and a lot more than what you'd expect. I didn't count them but I'd say about half my shots seemed to hit near center.
I'm still not 100% sold, but I'm thinking it's for real and I'm just not very good at it.
Part of my problem is everybody has a slightly different technique and there's not much talk about how to get the very tricky timing exactly right.
I intend to get my bro to help me test this later, though I think shooting walls is the purest test, the only main difficulty with walls is that it's hard to find large flat ones that show bullet hits well that can be fired on from a good spot. At very long range it would also bee impossible to see the hit it-self so you'd have to run up and scope in on it to check the decals.
Checking the decals sucks though since overlapping bullet hits obscure each other, but I've found watching for the little light colored plumes on a dark wall works well for feedback as I'm practicing. I'll keep at it and see what happens, I guess. ;p
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Post by imrlybord7 on Apr 11, 2009 13:16:48 GMT -5
this is very good uncut g-shot tutorial. if you seriously think its pure luck, then i guess you hate the g-shot for some reason. also, people use the acog and steady aim because if they are pure noscoping a match they need the extra power from the acog to make sure if you get a hit your target will die. steady aim helps if you run into someone and you don't have the luxury of g-shotting, the crosshairs being smaller also helps determine where the center is for medium/long range shots. This pretty much confirms that there is a method to the madness.
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Post by crazylad10 on Apr 12, 2009 16:02:41 GMT -5
that technique used in the vid works alot better even better than the way i do it
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Post by mannon on Apr 12, 2009 16:45:34 GMT -5
Has anybody tried it with other weapons? I was playing around with my new machine gun that I unlocked and burst firing and it seemed like a couple of times I put not only the first shot in the center, but the second too. O,o
Of course using the sights on a MG isn't nearly so bad as pulling up the scope on a sniper rifle, but still it seems like that could be useful if you could put 2 or 3 shots on target per burst from the hip. Especially if you use one that doesn't reduce damage at long range.
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Post by qupie on Apr 13, 2009 2:31:16 GMT -5
Would be pretty nice if it is really easy to do with the MP or something too
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Post by ssog on Apr 17, 2009 19:57:30 GMT -5
I'm not asking for afew back to back no scopes with a weapon that can one hit kill anywhere to the body. It's NOT that hard to achieve with steady aim and it could all be coincidence. I am asking for undeniable proof that there is a technique to this that makes the bullet hit the center of the crosshair every single time like Grizz claims. Until i get that proof, I deem thee fake. I was a skeptic, too, until I saw a video where Grizz spent about 4 minutes explaining the technique, then no-scoped across the entire length of Crossfire on the second shot. It was all one single unedited sequence that showed multiple close-range no-scopes, followed by a no-scope at pretty much the maximum range possible in CoD4. The odds of landing that last shot (even in two attempts) if bullet placement were truly random would probably be SIGNIFICANTLY under 1%. I mean, you couldn't even see the guy at the far end of the map until Grizz scoped in for a second to show where he was. I suppose Grizz could have just spent 4 minutes making that video over and over HUNDREDS upon HUNDREDS of times until he finally recorded the outcome he desired... or I could just assume that there's something of substance to the trick. I personally believe it's more logical to assume that the G-shot substantially increases the odds of getting a no-scope than it is to assume that Grizz just spent 12 hours of mind-numbing monotony re-recording a video for no reason other than to fool the world into thinking that the G-shot substantially increases the odds of getting a no-scope.
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Post by mannon on Apr 17, 2009 20:39:09 GMT -5
I'm fairly certain that there is something to it from testing. I seem to have trouble with the timing and can't really get 10 of 10 rounds on target, but getting 2 3 or more shots nearly dead center in a row fairly often certainly does make me think it works. And I have compared just firing without it to firing with it.
Firing without trying it gives really wild shots. Firing with it tends to randomly result in either a similarly wild shot or a shot very close to center. I think the main factor in the frequency is my lousy technique.
For testing purposes I used Courtyard and went up the steps and stood behind the railing, aiming at the large flat wall directly across.
I used the railing just because I'm anal and wanted to fire consistently from the same spot. I also used pulled back instead of strafing so that I could just step back to the rail and I would be on target for my next shot.
The spread on the wall after firing all shots is not as impressive because I still have wild shots and the ones in the middle tend to overlap and cover each other up. It is much more impressive to watch the poofs as they hit and note how many land in the center.
Even so, the spread after firing off all the rounds I had was more impressive using the technique than the wild and random pattern without. In particular, without it the spray was thin and all over the place, but with the technique I had a pretty solid grouping in the middle.
So, I'm sold. I can't provide proof in the way of a video, but I encourage anyone to simply try it yourself. Yes it's kinda hard. Don't expect to watch the youtube video and become an instant no scope god on your first shot. But keep trying a little and compare your results.
(BTW firing on walls further away could better demonstrate the pattern of the g-shot hits, but I was comparing to the firing pattern of just shooting normally, which even at that range wound up with hits not even on the wall because they were so far off. I suggest starting close since you need to see where you're hitting to have an idea if it's working.)
Unfortunately, I've been out of FPS games a while and don't retail skill very well so I can't really benefit from this as of yet, being a rather lame sniper at the moment. ;p heh heh But that doesn't mean I don't want to know how, or that i won't consider applying the technique to other weapons as well. I can definitely see how g-shotting could be useful for firing a variety of weapons from the hip, possibly even shotgun since I almost never use aim on it.
That's still not very scientific, but I think there's definitely something too it. I just wish I understood how and why it works better. That might give me a better chance of doing it too.
I can sorta theorize on why the technique Grizz demonstrates could work, but what about the one where you stand still and then move as or just before you shoot? You're going from perfectly still to moving which should increase the randomness. I dunno. My only guess is that there's something in the transition from moving to not moving and back.
I wonder if we could actually mod a weapon to examine this more carefully. Perhaps a weapon with a high rate of fire and zero recoil. Of course none of the ADS stuff matters only from the hip. hmm I dunno. I can't do anything anyway since I don't have it on PC. ;-s
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