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Post by mannon on Apr 8, 2009 12:51:03 GMT -5
I've always assumed that every gun in W@W at least has it's own niche and use, but I was looking at mebbe unlocking some of the stuff I haven't used so far and I wanted a good idea what would be best to actually bother unlocking.
Okay so we have five different bolt action rifles, yay! Or um... do we? Maybe I'm missing something but the Arisak, Mosin-Nagant, and Kar 98 seem to be picture perfect clones of the Springfield in every way except for having a slower bolt time and different iron sights... Which by the way, the iron sights are pretty much moot since what I'm looking at is which scopes to unlock... But apparently since the Springfield comes with a free scope and the others are just crummier versions of it with no other redeeming value I shouldn't bother? WTF?
Are you telling me that we functionally really only have 3 sniper rifles? (Springfield, PTRS-41, and Scoped M1 Garand)?
It seems silly to me that we have to level up to unlock guns that are worse. O,o
Surely there is some redeeming value in them? I'm just curious.
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Post by imrlybord7 on Apr 8, 2009 15:40:21 GMT -5
Actually, there are only 2 funcional snipers, the PTRS and M1 Garand. The PTRS fires faster than and sways less than the Springfield. The only cons are that it is longer, louder, reloads slower, and starts with one less clip. And FYI the Arisaka sways less than the other bolt actions while crouched (and I think prone too). The sway values for each sniper are... Springfield, Kar, Mosin: 6 degrees Arisaka: 6 degrees standing, 4.5 degrees crouching (and maybe prone) PTRS: 4 degrees M1 Garand: 4 degrees standing, 3 degrees crouching (and maybe prone)
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Post by shadz on Apr 9, 2009 6:29:25 GMT -5
Still 3 usables.
Surely it's quicker to reload one bolt as opposed to a whole clip. (Arisaka > PTRS and M1 here)
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Post by imrlybord7 on Apr 9, 2009 11:44:01 GMT -5
I would say that the PTRS firing a whole 25% faster with less sway makes it beat the crap out of the Arisaka. I honestly don't see how people can even take reload times into account unless it's Browning slow.
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Post by kilo on Apr 9, 2009 20:37:04 GMT -5
unscoped bolts are amazing for 1s1k and no steady time. It's all they use at the competitive pc level but unfortunately it requires a lot of a skill. It's pretty much all I use unless i'm off in which case i'll use an mp40
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Post by shadz on Apr 9, 2009 20:40:34 GMT -5
Erm, because reload is important?
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Post by imrlybord7 on Apr 9, 2009 21:51:14 GMT -5
The thing is that I pretty much never die while reloading. The only time I find reloading to be an issue is with guns with really low ammo capacity (FG42) or guns that have a really long reload (Browning). Otherwise it is just a non-issue for me. I never die because I was reloading and I very rarely lose kills because I was reloading.
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Post by mannon on Apr 10, 2009 1:57:38 GMT -5
Hmm The sway isn't listed in the table then, just the idle amounts which are all identical.
I was really looking more into what scopes to bother unlocking so the unscoped versions aren't really part of the equation.
I would still say the Springfield shouldn't be counted out because it's the first one you'll have and even after you unlock the M1 Garan you have to use it a lot to get the scope. And you don't even get the PTRS until you've leveled up quite high.
I suppose it may seem a small thing to worry about, but considering it takes a while to unlock them and even then you gotta start over every time if you prestige
In fact that's really why I consider the other's pretty useless. If you started with them instead of the Springfield then that would give them a purpose... to be used before you unlock the Springfield. But if you already have a better gun and it comes with a scope then whatever... heh
As for unscoped the bolt time of the Springfield still seems like a bonus, even more so since you'll get fewer 1 shot kills unless you're going hardcore, but if you're doing that might as well use a rifle instead so you'll have semi auto. I guess unless you're just awesome at headshots. I dunno... heh The sights misalignment does rather suck though, which is a real shame since otherwise the Springfield's sights look pretty good.
Is there some reason Treyarch is incapable of fixing the misaligned sights? I can sorta understand on the Nambu given the problems the Japanese weapons had in real life, but the Springfield? Then again I guess it could have really been aligned that way... though I doubt it...
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Post by imrlybord7 on Apr 10, 2009 2:02:20 GMT -5
Sway = idle, but it doesn't take into account stance improvements. Sorry. I just call it sway. Also, the Springfield's sights aren't misaligned, just stupid. There is a point in the sight post where it becomes noticeably lighter. That point is where the shot lands.
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Post by mannon on Apr 10, 2009 5:21:05 GMT -5
Oh I see. Yeah that is stupid... much rather have it hit the tip of the post. ;p
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Post by mannon on Apr 10, 2009 5:23:32 GMT -5
Does the sway/idle improvement work scoped? That would be a compelling reason to unlock the Ariska scope, though I might prefer to unlock the M1 Garand scope. It does have a smaller 1 shot kill area though, due to different multipliers than bolt action scoped rifles.
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Post by imrlybord7 on Apr 10, 2009 12:18:00 GMT -5
The sway improvement ONLY works scoped. Haven't you noticed that none of the unscoped bolt actions sway?
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Post by mannon on Apr 10, 2009 15:23:18 GMT -5
heh heh Yeah I did notice that after I wrote that... >,> You can tell how often I use them. heh heh I R teh suk with rifles.
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Post by Vis on Apr 18, 2009 14:43:25 GMT -5
Erm, because reload is important? Almost as important as you learning to use your brain, apparently.
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Post by robesh on May 22, 2009 13:07:10 GMT -5
The other bolt actions shine when they don't have a scope.
I think that is why they made the springfield's sights misaligned, so that the other BA's had some significance.
I don't know why they didn't make it so the higher level BA's shot faster and had less sway, because you unlock them later.
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Post by Tapap on May 24, 2009 16:32:38 GMT -5
best - ptrs41 second best - arisaka great for hardcore - m1grand crap - springfield, mosin nagant, kar98k, there all the same
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Post by qupie on May 25, 2009 5:45:09 GMT -5
prefer springfield WAY over ariska(if I don't have the PTRS yet)... ariska bolts downwards when zoomed (you'll lose your target if you missed). Springfield fires faster. I almost never crouch and steady anyway when I zoom
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Post by shadz on May 25, 2009 7:59:23 GMT -5
When using scoped rifles I have a tendency to rush forward and railgun, the Arisakas animation obscures my view most so I'd take the Springfield, Kar or PTRS anyday.
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