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Post by slobbergoat on Nov 28, 2010 22:58:00 GMT -5
Having heard some good things from various friends regarding BC2 and having heard of a new large-scale DLC coming out for the game I figured I might pick BC2 up soon, but would like to know what the take on it you guys mostly have.
I'm usually a CoD player on consoles, but played BC1942 through 2142 extensively on the PC, and Flashpoint/ARMA on the more simmish side of 'open field' type games.
I have also heard (typically via hearsay) that BC2 requires more skill to play than CoD; is this really the case? Based off my experiences with previous BC games it seems that vehicle spam determined who ultimately won games, but having not played BC2 I don't know if they've been toned down or not.
Come to think of it, is personal AT vaguely useful in BC2? It was typically a major issue of mine with the previous games that tanks were basically invulnerable in regards to being dealt with by infantry (last time I played BF1942, I seem to remember it taking about six bazooka shots to the back of a tank in some cases to kill one). Vehicles having a fragility to them ala Flashpoint would be a fairly decisive factor on whether I could enjoy the game or not.
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Post by pankrazius on Nov 29, 2010 4:29:58 GMT -5
Personaly I think BC2 is like a crossover between COD and Flashpoint. More Tactical and less "arcady" than COD, but more accessible and faster paced than Flashpoint. If skill is tactical knowledge for you, then yes, it requires more skill than COD. You still need to hit your enemys with your weapons though . A Heavy Tank can be taken out by: 2 C4s, 1-2 mines, 3-4 RPGs to the front, 2-3 RPGs to the back (depending on angle), 1 full mortar salvo, so every class except the medic has a way to deal with tanks. Choppers can be a pain in the butt if they know how to fly and shoot, but that doesn't happen too often. Not all maps/modes do have vehicles, so you can get around them if you don't like them, because you can choose the map (and of course the mode) to start with. In my opinion it's balanced pretty good. One of the best shooters out atm. Also don't forget to take Destruction 2.0 into account, after playing BC2 any game without it just feels strangely old-fashioned. I'd like to finish with something to get you in the mood:
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Post by raraavis on Nov 29, 2010 6:19:20 GMT -5
BC2 represents a newer smaller subgenre in the BF franchise much in the same way that Cod4 and MW2 represented a different direction and flavor from WWII Cod games. It is BF in name alone in that respect. The new "large scale expansion" is two multiplayer maps and no single player content that I've heard of. I too loved 2142, I wish Battlefield became the future perfect FPS instead of imitating the ModWar subgenre. Lastly, consider that Black Ops will enjoy at least three DLC maps adding another ~10 maps for around 2.5x the cost of BC2.
While Cod is playable out of the box, BC will necessitate finding a moderated server (unless you like spawn killing and the like) and at least one or two other people to play with, otherwise you're going to spend most of your time running to objectives rather than fulfilling a direct combat role. Does it require skill? No more than any other game, there is no secret cabal of high caliber players found in BC2 and not elsewhere. The issue of friends weighs heavily as if most of my peers are playing Black Ops then by definition I'm going to play an average game with regulars than play an exceptional game individually. You may want to reconsider if you can't think of at least three people who are as excited as you are.
I don't believe on release BC2 retailed for $60 and with good reason--there's relatively little content compared with CoD much less Arma II and the rest. There are fewer single player distractions and no special modes silly as they may be. Worse yet there are far far fewer attachments, maps and equipment and, most importantly, weapons. It seems like Dice tried to compromise the tight guns with enormous maps and the results are floaty gunplay that feels a little out of your control even when bursting. You have fifty levels but most of them are vanity levels, you only earn gear in the first 20 or so. Hitboxes are much simpler and hit-markers abundant, weapon selection is effectively like Black Ops but the illusion of choice is even further reduced. The sound design is excellent yet ironically you can't hear someone approach you or pinpoint indoor movement. There are no claymores but also no counters to explosives.
Ultimately the whole game is average, like it is on the verge of something spectacular but it doesn't quite reach greatness and it is the worse for it especially given the FPS alternatives.
Skip it and see if Dice have learned anything from BC2 when BF3 releases next year.
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Post by raxcoswell on Nov 29, 2010 9:22:42 GMT -5
Hiya boys
Some good points here, and a lot of opinion dressed as fact too. Thought I'd add my own thoughts for no real reason, add to what others have said etc.
For the record, I play on xbox and bc2 is probably my second favourite shooter after cod4
"More skill": depends what you mean I guess. I'd say there's more thinking but less physical skill/quick reaction prowess. If you're smart enough to get in a certain place with a certain set-up, you can be a terrible shot and beat people better than you. I'd say basically it just requires a different approach/slightly different skillset rather than one being more 'deep' than the other.
Friends: yes. I can't play this game solo. One friend is fine, 2 or 3 is great. But you'll never get the full experience/enjoyment/benefit without friends. You in a tank is nothing. You and a friend in a tank is potentially game changing. It's a huge difference.
New dlc/game size: is afaik 4 maps for the current version of the game and 4 (6?) For the new vietnam thing. So that's a lot of maps. But yeah, paucity of different maps has been a/the genuine bane of this game so far. As for weapons and such, I found the variation fine. I've wanted new maps and gameplay tweaks, but never felt the game lacked for guns.
Vehicle spam etc: yes and no. Vehicles are decisive, but you can't just get in one and expect to win. A tank with just a driver in can be taken out solo by any competent engineer. A bradley with an entire squad in set up properly can completely destroy a woefully unprepared opposing force. It takes effort and often quite a bit of patience to really dominate with a vehicle. Any gung ho business will get you killed extremely fast, and a well balanced/organised enemy won't be unduly concerned by a vehicle manned by people of a similar quality. As was mentioned before, though maybe it's just me, helicopters are very good. If you don't really know how to fly them or what to look out for, they will crash and burn at a tremendous rate, especially the blackhawk, which even I can shoot down overhead with fair consistency. But if the crew knows what they're doing they can be a bit of a pain on a couple of maps.
I never played previous battlefields so I don't feel all outraged that they shrunk the maps. They're still very big to my eyes, although admittedly mostly pretty narrow. And yes, the destruction thing is really fantastic. Can't overstate that. Every game without it feels poorer for it
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Post by xeros612 on Dec 12, 2010 22:54:32 GMT -5
If you do get it, make sure you have at least 3 friends willing to play it at any time. Playing solo is one of the most rage inducing things you can do, because randoms will be content to do absolutely nothing as opposed to doing any sort of objective work, or even getting kills as the case seems to be.
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Post by drfluffy on Dec 13, 2010 13:34:55 GMT -5
COD BO is very heavily reaction based, not even as much as aim based because of extremely overpowered weapons. BFBC2 at its current stage have extremely balanced infantry combat and its graphics are better.
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Post by turdferguson on Dec 13, 2010 20:22:55 GMT -5
...its graphics are better. Beyond that, the artwork is much better.
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Post by fazzmania on Dec 14, 2010 9:08:07 GMT -5
I play a lot solo mostly and it's still a hell of a lot of fun, having those little moments of sporatic teamwork where someone saves your ass or your saves theirs. There's so many fun little moments of awesome in this which just don't happen in COD. Like yesterday I was defending on a game of rush and 2 blackhawks were raining hot minigun death on us while doing opposite loops. One of the pilots did an evasive manouver to avoid a rocket and ended up smashing into the tail end of the other chopper, causing them to both spin out of control and explode. The entire server erupted with LOLs and ROFLs in chat, just one of those great moments.
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Post by drfluffy on Dec 14, 2010 11:56:44 GMT -5
yeah, definitely great battlefield moments, especially when played with friends.
Moment 1: heavy metal server, I am flying havoc, friend got scope perk, we repeatly pop in and out of view so he can snipe snipers with mini guns.
Moment 2: friend as tanker on ground, being engaged by enemy heli. I swooped in, took out heli, then looped around flying low over him
Moment 3: Drove a buggy through the field with helis fighting over head, we stopped outside of enemy base, I asked him to halt, I surveyed the enemy base, shot down a hovering hind with AT4, took out an AA, and then high jacked their helicopter. - It was almost like a single player mission.
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Post by pankrazius on Dec 15, 2010 3:02:20 GMT -5
@op: So, did you pick it up? Let us know what you think about it if so.
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Post by rubionubio on Dec 21, 2010 14:17:54 GMT -5
I am thinking of picking this up as well. Growing tired of BLops and it's cramped maps and constant knifing. Love the destructible environments, and the montage linked up above with the Demo Man just reminded me how awesome they are, blowing holes in houses and walls and stuff.
Is it still an active game? How steep is the learning curve for someone who's used to FPS but not BF-style games?
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Post by aranshada on Dec 21, 2010 14:50:29 GMT -5
I am thinking of picking this up as well. Growing tired of BLops and it's cramped maps and constant knifing. Love the destructible environments, and the montage linked up above with the Demo Man just reminded me how awesome they are, blowing holes in houses and walls and stuff. Is it still an active game? How steep is the learning curve for someone who's used to FPS but not BF-style games? The only thing I found strange was the mouse input on the PC, there's so much random acceleration or negative acceleration that they arbitrarily put on it that a DPI-switching mouse is a must - something to boost up the speeds for that tank turret. Aside from that, it's a game that provides me with much frustration, which means I'm adequately getting my ass handed to me, yet I still usually come out with a decent K:D (no rambo medic crap for me).
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Post by turdferguson on Dec 21, 2010 16:16:51 GMT -5
Is it still an active game? How steep is the learning curve for someone who's used to FPS but not BF-style games? I was new to the series when I bought BFBC2. I like it a lot, definitely better than MW2 and better than BO at the moment. It does take getting used to, though. It has its pro's and con's like any game, but overall I would highly recommend it.
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Post by rubionubio on Jan 3, 2011 3:49:11 GMT -5
Just wanted to follow-up on this in case anyone else is thinking about picking this up.
I got BC2 after the holidays for like $6 on Steam, and I'm absolutely loving it. I wish to God that I had purchased this as my FPS game of choice instead of waiting for BLops. HUGE mistake. Haven't played BLops in weeks and I'm thinking about just giving it up entirely until the next one comes out, and having experienced a different "shooter", I don't even know if I'll pick it up at all.
Obviously this is just my opinion on the matter, and I'm not trying to say that BC2 is perfect, but it was and still is everything I wanted and more.
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Post by slobbergoat on Jan 4, 2011 21:10:27 GMT -5
@op: So, did you pick it up? Let us know what you think about it if so. Still in limbo at the moment - I have a friend who has all the addons that I will hopefully be meeting soon to try it out with before buying it, but they live two hours away so I'm not sure when.
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Post by iKONIG on Jan 5, 2011 7:02:26 GMT -5
In Bad Company 2, Skill is Teamwork - Not Twitch Reflex, Spawn Trapping, or knifing in a 5 meter radius of an enemy.
A way to look at it, is that Call of Duty is like Pac Man. Play it heaps and skill is put down to the finger, and be honest; Pac Man is piss easy to play. Bad Company 2 is like playing a game of Football, or Rugby as we call it here. Where no matter how skillfull you are with your fingers, it's not going do shit for your team or the game. That's the way I look at it, and once you relise how easy Call of Duty really is, the game becomes no more fun then playing Norts and Crosses over and over again...
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Post by dog on Jan 5, 2011 14:41:25 GMT -5
Just bought it a few hours ago. Who wants to buy it from me?
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Post by aranshada on Jan 5, 2011 14:45:03 GMT -5
Just bought it a few hours ago. Who wants to buy it from me? I lolled. Sorry, bro. I have the PC version, so I'm even more screwed. Frickin' activation keys and whatnot...
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Post by dog on Jan 5, 2011 14:48:14 GMT -5
Mine IS the PC version.
I feel like I've wasted my money.
Slow-paced game.
Can go on for minutes without seeing any action whatsoever.
I rather play chess. Even with the timer set to 30 mins there's more action there than BC2.
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Post by phale on Jan 5, 2011 15:18:50 GMT -5
Try Battlefield Heroes. Fast-paced, easy to play, very accessible, and very simple like CoD, but still has the teamwork and tactics like Battlefield. Plus, it's free
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Post by drfluffy on Jan 5, 2011 15:37:41 GMT -5
if you arent seeing action you arent playing the right map, also player base is very active.
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Post by xeros612 on Jan 6, 2011 1:31:52 GMT -5
Battlefield has always been "slow paced", compared to CoD or games that are actually fast paced. It's a game of teamwork and tactics(by design, not always in practice), not instant gratification and speed.
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Post by rubionubio on Jan 6, 2011 10:46:58 GMT -5
I guess it depends on your definition of "action". If action can only be defined as "actively shooting or being shot at" then yes, they are slower paced than CoD games. I often feel this way when playing a Recon class, as I'm doing more spotting and stuff than shooting. But there's also calling in mortar strikes, throwing motion mines, destroying enemy cover with C4, booby-trapping vehicles, harassing behind enemy lines w/ a silenced sniper rifle, etc. etc. etc.
I guess the only thing that lacks action is the fact that you do occasionally have to hoof it from place to place, but even then you have to be smart about it otherwise you're risking getting picked off or letting the enemy see where you're going, which is bad times when they can just mortar strike the building your in and make it collapse, killing you just as well as a bullet to the brain does.
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Post by dog on Jan 6, 2011 13:19:56 GMT -5
Dice is smart.
They know how to put in a musical tank to cheer dissatisfied customers like me.
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Post by niteshadex on Jan 12, 2011 21:50:38 GMT -5
Dice is smart. They know how to put in a musical tank to cheer dissatisfied customers like me. You must be doing it wrong. I never get a slow match, even if the enemy team is all bush wookies... snipers..."recons".
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Post by xeros612 on Jan 13, 2011 23:57:59 GMT -5
You must never have a match where >50% of the enemy ragequits and 99% of those left are content to sit in their spawn, then.
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Post by 418Y on Jan 14, 2011 7:01:03 GMT -5
Try playing some Squad Deathmatch with 3 mates with which you can talk. A healing medic, a supply assault, a shotgun-motionsensor recon, and an engineer who gets rid of the vehicle if needed. It will suddenly become far more enjoyable than any COD game. All you need is communication and trusted squadmates.
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Post by rubionubio on Jan 14, 2011 12:09:19 GMT -5
I so wish that everyone who plays FPS games could experience the "four friends on Teamspeak in a squad" just once. It would raise the bar so much higher for all "regular" FPS games out there. So amazing.
Plus, I can almost guarantee that if you're rolling in a squad with your mates on TS (or any other speech-based communication, like in the same room together hehe) chances are you will dominate the other team, no matter what. It's just such a powerful thing when four people work and communicate together like 418y is talking about.
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Post by rudybojangles on Jan 20, 2011 13:23:55 GMT -5
The xbox servers are saved! I played in full games last night! Joy!
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