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Post by slobbergoat on Apr 22, 2011 20:15:12 GMT -5
Having just started recently, on joining a game I noticed that two of my teammates had scores in the range of 100:1 ratios and one of the enemies had similar.
When I was killed by the enemy on that team the post-death follow cam showed him with an iron sighted abakan, but I had been killed from literally miles away - as in so far away he wasn't even visible - and died in one shot. In the cam he proceeded to also kill another player by simple firing at full auto the whole time, while this player was about as far away as I was.
It also seems that in at least half the games I play I will sometimes find myself dying to the same player several times from extreme distances, despite the player using a weapon without any sight and having a low rank - often 1.
I don't think I have been spotted or anything and typically the players in question should have no idea where I am, particularly to shoot as accurate as they do.
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Post by Den on Apr 22, 2011 20:32:28 GMT -5
But of course.
There were aimbots and ESP hacks within days of the PC beta/demo.
You're going to run into cheaters frequently on the PC.
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Post by slobbergoat on Apr 22, 2011 21:06:16 GMT -5
Welp, good work punkbuster~
Annoyingly they were never this common in Q3A or ET, or even CS for the most part.
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Post by dog on Apr 23, 2011 3:32:30 GMT -5
But of course. There were aimbots and ESP hacks within days of the PC beta/demo. You're going to run into cheaters frequently on the PC. Which explains why so many of our PC bros here have less than 1 K/D ratio in BC2.
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Post by rubionubio on Apr 23, 2011 12:36:43 GMT -5
I consider myself a pretty decent BC2 player, and I still have trouble sometimes getting a 1+ K/D. I don't know what it is, but my style of play just doesn't lend itself to running off long kill streaks, and when you factor in the random spawn deaths/heli-rape/etc. I always seem to hover around .8 or .9 I have some times when I'll go on extended kill streaks but since I don't use vehicles I never get the 20+ K/D rounds that some of my clan-mates get on our server to offset the rounds where I'm 12/20 or whatever. On the flipside, I have a good W/L rating at 1.5, and will never be accused of padding my K/D by hanging back and sniping or whatever. And I definitely can't blame cheaters for my KDR, since I only really play on one server and I have admin rights. I think that's the trick on PC to avoid cheaters; Just find a server you really like and get balls deep in it rather than sticking just the tip in a million different ones. That's just my take though!
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Post by 418Y on Apr 23, 2011 19:57:46 GMT -5
Cheaters don't last 2 minutes on a good server, I don't know how many hours I have (i guess something between 50 and 100) of playtime, but I met only 2 hackers that didn't immediately got kicked.
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Post by slobbergoat on Apr 24, 2011 4:49:00 GMT -5
I've managed to get my ratio up to an average of at least 1.25 or so per game so I don't think I'm particularly bad at playing, and have previously played various PC games in a competitive environment so it's not like I don't have any ability at actually aiming/responding to situations.
Regardless, there's often one or two players on the server who will be camped out with the recons but using an AR or LMG with iron sights and getting kills from practically beyond the draw distance - they will be literally so far away that they're a single pixel at best on my monitor, and this is typically when I'm behind heavy cover and even concealment as well. And they're almost always low levelled.
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Post by klokateer on Apr 27, 2011 10:19:00 GMT -5
You've got to understand how PunkBuster works. With respect, ignorantly bashing the game because of how computer software is updated is ridiculous.
PB is very good at catching and banning cheaters, once a cheat has been recognized.
However, once a cheat is detected, the developers find a way to circumvent the new detection. Sometimes this happens quickly, sometimes it happens slowly.
Afterward, PB has to hear about and detect the new cheat, which can sometimes happen quickly, sometimes slowly.
deal with it, man. That IS PC gaming. It doesn't have anything to do with BC2.
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Post by slobbergoat on Apr 28, 2011 18:10:27 GMT -5
Reactive response to cheating isn't really a response at all since it doesn't do anything to deal with the source problem. Furthermore, BC2 has a much smaller playerbase that larger-scale PC games like Counterstrike, yet the number of cheaters is seemingly exponentially higher, which suggests the problem isn't strictly the genre but rather the detection.
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Post by klokateer on Apr 29, 2011 11:24:31 GMT -5
Hackers are not a BC2 problem, they are a PC GAMING problem. Reactive responses to hacks are all PC GAMES have to defend against hacks.
Unless YOU are prepared to make and manage a proactive solution, I suggest you roll with the punches like everyone else.
And unless you've got some numbers to back up your claim of hackers being "exponentially higher", that statement is simply going to be viewed as your opinion.
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Post by rubionubio on Apr 29, 2011 15:27:25 GMT -5
Since this thread was created I have played 33 hours, and have been keeping track of the number of "cheaters" that I've run into:
Zero.
Literally none. Not even one questionable person.
And saying that a reactive response isn't really a response at all is just flat out wrong. If you get in a car accident and get rushed to the hospital by an ambulance is that not a valid reactive response? It does nothing to deal with the source problem, but it's appreciated nonetheless.
That's how most people view PB.
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Post by raxcoswell on May 8, 2011 12:43:14 GMT -5
There's definitely something in the water. I'm terrible at BC2 and have better K/D than all the PC players.
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Post by SheWolf on May 9, 2011 13:59:13 GMT -5
that's most likely because the average pc player values team and objcetive oriented goals over kills, especially in rush, where kills are useless half the time anyway. remember when devs would unlock the operation hastings map after so and so many million team actions performed in total on the platform? despite having significantly less players, pc unlocked it when xbox players were still about half way. having seen both xbox and pc rounds, i can say that most pc players will sacrifice themselves more often for a tactical advantage, like getting out a rocket against a high valua target or deactivating a planted mcom. xbox players do it to, sure, but a lot less frequent. more will just play for themselves and pile up a lot of kills. no platform bashing intended, just an observeration. another thing: the skill ceiling for pc is a lot higher due to the superior precision of the input devices.
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Post by field on May 22, 2011 17:50:05 GMT -5
Ive only seen a handful of people in hundreds of hours played who you saw were blatantly teleport-aiming.
Then with triangle spotting you are able to blast people through smoke, walls and foliage.
There is no spectating or first person kill cam which also makes it more difficult to spot supposed cheaters.
Does punkbuster actually do anything or is it just there to make people/vehicles teleport and rubberband everywhere?
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Post by rubionubio on May 25, 2011 12:02:09 GMT -5
It banned half the people in my clan once on accident and took an act of God to fix! So yea, you could say it does "something"!!!!
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Post by SheWolf on May 25, 2011 17:19:06 GMT -5
how did that happen rubio? some third party software active or what?
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Post by rubionubio on May 28, 2011 11:11:31 GMT -5
No, just one of those crazy ban sprees that PB goes on every once in a while. We were all playing and all of a sudden the server was empty. Pretty awesome
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Post by SheWolf on May 30, 2011 4:07:38 GMT -5
yeah that's what i meant though. sometimes after an upgrade pb recognizes certain mousedrivers as cheats, or memory optimization programs. in my case it was the keyboard driver, but an appeal and 2 hours later everything was fixed.
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