Thompson Vs Type 100 (detailed comparison)

[leki]

The thompson and type 100 are my favorite guns as they are very similar but which one is better in different situations?

From comparing them, these are the advantages and disadvantages of each gun with a round drum.

Thompson with a round drum:
+better wall penetration (medium)
+bullets go through enemy to kill enemy behind them
+gun is a default weapon to all players and so more ammo is more avilable to pick up from the ground
+maximum amount of ammo is more (200 bullets)
+better scope view
+better zoom (50 FOV)

-slower reload with round drum (3.1 to 3.9 seconds)
-less ammo in clip (40 bullets)


Type 100 with a round drum:
+faster reload with round drum (2.6 to 3 seconds)
+more ammo in clip (60 bullets)

-worse wall penetration (small)
-bullets stop after hitting an enemy
-gun needs to be unlocked and so ammo is not as easy to find on the ground
-maximum amount of ammo is less (180 bullets)
-worse scope view (arm covers left side of screen)
-worse zoom (55 FOV)

So overall i would say the thompson is slightly better on maps that have many walls to shoot though or long open spaces but the type 100 should be used on maps that dont and if other players are using the type 100 to get ammo from them.

However from looking at the config files for the 2 guns i notice a few more stats that are different. Maybe Den can tell us what these mean and the difference?

Thompson with a round drum stats:
playerDamage 100
dropTime 0.325
raiseTime 0.7
firstRaiseTime 0.7
emptyDropTime 0.3
sprintOfsF -1.5
sprintOfsR -5
sprintRotP 15
sprintRotY 45
sprintScale 0.9
proneMoveF -160
proneRotY 300
proneOfsF -2
swayLerpSpeed 5.5
adsSwayMaxAngle 4
adsSwayPitchScale 0.1
adsSwayYawScale 0.2
adsSwayHorizScale 0.08
adsSwayVertScale 0.175
maxDist 590
reticleCenterSize 4
adsOverlayWidth 150
adsOverlayHeight 150
adsDofStart 0
adsDofEnd 8


Type100 with a round drum stats:
playerDamage 30
dropTime 0.4
raiseTime 0.6
firstRaiseTime 0.6
emptyDropTime 0.35
sprintOfsF 3
sprintOfsR 2
sprintRotP 25
sprintRotY 15
sprintScale 0.85
proneMoveF -50
proneRotY 280
proneOfsF 0
swayLerpSpeed 5
adsSwayMaxAngle 7.5
adsSwayPitchScale 1
adsSwayYawScale 0.115
adsSwayHorizScale 0.06
adsSwayVertScale 0.095
maxDist 340
reticleCenterSize 8
adsOverlayWidth 220
adsOverlayHeight 220
adsDofStart 0
adsDofEnd 15

if anyone has anything decent to add please do.

P.S Den great stats site thanks

[Den]

playerDamage
This is an unused variable - it is only applied to AI and is the damage that the AI enemies would deliver to the player.

dropTime
The amount of time it takes to put the weapon away to bring out another. (Combine it with RaiseTime to see how long it would take to switch to and use another weapon)

raiseTime
The amount of time it takes to take out a weapon and ready it (you can tell when the weapon is ready by the appearance of the crosshair).

firstRaiseTime
Happens when the player picks up a weapon and readies it. (most, if not all FirstRaiseTimes are identical to regular RaiseTime)

emptyDropTime
If the weapon has no ammunition in the magazine, it will be put away in this amount of time.

sprintOfsF sprintOfsR sprintRotP sprintRotY sprintScale proneMoveF proneRotY proneOfsF
All cosmetic variables that adjust the position of the weapon and player's arms for the sprint animation and postures.

swayLerpSpeed adsSwayMaxAngle adsSwayPitchScale adsSwayYawScale adsSwayHorizScale adsSwayVertScale
All cosmetic variables that cause the rear of the weapon to trail behind as the player turns (accuracy is unaffected since the front sight stays in place).

maxDist
Another AI variable, unused for multiplayer.

reticleCenterSize
Unused variable, there is no "ReticleCenter" for guns.
The crosshairs use ReticleSide, all guns have "8".

adsOverlayWidth adsOverlayHeight
Only used by sniper rifles - the 2D textures that make up the scope. (even though weapons do no use many variables, they are necessary to just exist in order for the weapon to work)

adsDofStart adsDofEnd
Depth of Field settings when sighting the weapon, the blur on the edge of the screen.

[leki]

thanks for the reply den

so really the only ones of value are the dropTime and raiseTime. so i take it throwing a nade you would add the times together to get the total time since you have to drop and then after raise your gun when throwing a nade. so the type100 would be slightly better. however if you had to quickly just switch to pistol to finish off an enemy the thompson would be slightly better.

which gun would you rather play with out of these 2 den?

P.S i forgot to add "You are my bro, bro." to my first post even though i read the rules....does this still count?

[Den]

Nope, you are just a regular bro. Can't go making exceptions.
There is another brocess to brove your Broness - make 100 contributing posts.

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The variables used for switching to and from grenades are the quickDropTime and quickRaiseTime, often half the amount of time it takes to switch between guns.

Take note that the six grenades themselves do not have a RaiseTime or DropTime, the variable that creates time before being able to throw is holdFireTime.

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I would choose the Thompson for US/Japan levels like Makin and Hangar, where opportunities to shoot through stuff is common.
I would choose the Type100 for the tougher structures and long ranges in the Russian/German maps like Seelow and Downfall.

I'd go with an MP40, machinegun or a semi-automatic rifle over both of them, though.

[leki]

why would you go with the MP40 over these two?...maybe your play style is different to mine as i like stock servers where im constantly running around, jumping, proning and shooting people in the face at close range.

[Qupie]

Dec 30, 2008 6:17:04 GMT -5 leki said:

The thompson and type 100 are my favorite guns as they are very similar but which one is better in different situations?

+gun is a default weapon to all players and so more ammo is more avilable to pick up from the ground

Well, this let me think about something. Are there like in COD4 some weapons that share ammo? Like the 2 shotguns or the M4 and M16... Would be really nice to know wich share the same ammo, because I run out of ammo quite often and would love to know wich guns share...

[Den]

I rarely use Stopping Power, the default choice of most players. Without Stopping Power, the MP40 is the most versatile of the SMGs with just that extra 9 damage at long range (even without the 50 damage on consoles).
Regardless, I'd much prefer a rifle or machinegun.

Unfortunately nothing shares ammunition in WaW. Only the weapon you carry is the weapon you can get ammo for.

[Clay]

What do you use instead of Stopping Power?

[Den]

I use Sleight of Hand for everything, except bolt action and scoped rifles.

[Clay]

Do you use a silencer on your MP40? If you use that extra 9 damage as an advantage, it seems like you would shorten your range a little to stay off the radar. Also, what machine gun do you think is best?

[Den]

If it doesn't have BigAmmo, I always use the stock weapon.

Type 99 LMG.

[Clay]

Thanks.