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Post by field on May 19, 2011 17:04:07 GMT -5
All stats show the G3 being a highly inferior version of the VSS.
They have identical damage characteristics and same capacity while the vss has lower amp, kick, reload time and is fitted with a scope AND a supressor.
One thing i didnt get is assault type rifles have the 'base, move and Zmove' while sniper type rifles only have 'base' and 'move' stats. Is the vss less accurate than the g3 when sighted and moving? I havent found either to be very reliable when zoomed and moving compared to other ARs and smgs.
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Post by 418Y on May 19, 2011 19:11:13 GMT -5
WARNING: this will be written by a G3 fanboy.
The scope is not always a pro. I love the G3 iron, I think it's the best of the game.
If I want to use a full-auto Recon, I like the G3 better because it's most likely that you'll run around and find yourself in a lot of CQC situations where the G3 is more reliable, and I don't feel like using an optical attachment since both Lightweight or 3 more C4s are better options.
Also, if I'm not wrong, the G3 starts with 80 ammunitions where the VSS only has 60.
Obviously, the G3 can be used on any kit and it's a good choice for a Demolition Assault class. If you use the G3 often on other kits too, you'll become better in using it, while you can't do the same with the VSS.
Also, the VSS is a bad guy and has no sex appeal. The G3 sounds foxy angry and badass.
I'll soon get my first platinum start (I don't play that often) and it will be on the G3! Yay!
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Post by raxcoswell on May 19, 2011 20:07:06 GMT -5
Yeah the VSS starts with 60 bullets. And I'm assuming you'll take a 4x or red dot (I always do) so no extra ammo perk. It burns through bullets SO fast. You don't need an assault in your squad; you need an assault stuck to your hip at all times. I run out of ammo with this gun much more than all other guns combined, and I don't even use it that much. But, I completely love it anyway. G3 I wish I loved. I don't hate it, but if I'm going all-kit I tend to go shotgun. If I was gonna G3 or M14 I'll just VSS or SVU.
Would make sense for the all-kit weapon to be worse though, right? iirc the thompson's a little feeby compared to the other travel-size guns
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Post by field on May 19, 2011 21:35:52 GMT -5
I tend to use either extra ammo or lightweight with the vss. I've tried putting a red dot on it but it makes the weapon less useful in my opinion.
If you have bush wookie skills and are obscured to enemies when using this weapon it can cause alot of havoc. I will see enemies running around not knowing where they are being shot from.
Is there any difference in the hipfire accuracy of these 2 weapons? The vss seems to shoot right to the center of the screen if you know where its at.
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Post by dog on May 20, 2011 0:14:09 GMT -5
spray added per shot:
G3 = 0.4 G3 + Marksman = 0.15
VSS= 0.7
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Post by TheLegendaryJ on May 20, 2011 12:44:06 GMT -5
I'd prefer the G3 over the VSS. However I hardly use the two. When paying Engineer I always use an SMG because I'm more used to a silent weapon with irons than a silent weapon with scopes or an Assault Rifle that is very inaccurate. I don't really see the use for either because the VSS seems more infiltrator style for Recon (not my style of choice) and the G3 is more useful for when you need a different type of explosive for your class.
My advice: Don't take my advice, just keep trying different weapons.*
*Not my advice.
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Post by klokateer on May 20, 2011 14:21:31 GMT -5
VSS has higher ROF and is silenced.
G3 has better accuracy and more ammo.
both are great guns. they require different styles to play effectively. VSS is for sneaking, G3 is for mowing.
take your pick based on your playstyle. Neither is better than the other, they're simply different.
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Post by field on May 20, 2011 21:35:00 GMT -5
I wouldnt go that far as to say the G3 is for 'mowing.'
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Post by rubionubio on May 21, 2011 10:39:32 GMT -5
VSS was my first plat, so I'm definitely a VSS fanboy, so take my opinion with a grain of salt.
For me, I would take the VSS over the G3 in almost any situation. Basically the only time I would take the G3 over it is if I NEEDED C4, and in that case I'd probably just take a shotgun. The VSS with extra ammo is AWESOME if get the rhythm of your shots down and get used to the scope. Basically it's the best shotgun in the game, in that if your target is within 15m or so just center him (you do have to be able to eyeball the center of your screen w/o crosshairs) and start spraying and you'll win most firefights this way at ranges where the scope is just too much zoom. Anything further than that and you can just tap-tap-tap-tap your way to mass-murder. Get to the point where you can consistently get headshots and you'll be the other team's worst nightmare, since you can 2HK people before they even know what's going on at any range, AND be able to win CQB. That's a pretty powerful combo if you ask me. Throw in the fact that it's got one of the quietest reports in the game and a very quick reload (if you reload-cancel like I do) and you've got a weapon that's so good that it's almost cheese-status a la Carl.
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Post by field on May 21, 2011 17:22:58 GMT -5
I agree with pretty much everything in your post.
Alot of the time i feel there is a dramatic difference in the awareness of your enemies when firing a supressed vs unsurpressed weapon.
The vss much of the time you see a group of enemies you can pretty much go to town on them and you dont get immediately shot at like when firing assault rifles or LMGs.
Ive been using Nelson Bay rush and shooting out into the air to see how some of the weapons act and how quickly you can shoot them. It seems like the G3 you can get a higher accurrate shot rate from tapping than the Vss but i feel the other advantages gained outweigh this small drawback.
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Post by klokateer on May 23, 2011 10:10:27 GMT -5
I wouldnt go that far as to say the G3 is for 'mowing.' flank a squad that's holed up in a room. open up hipfire style. drag mouse left to right (or right to left if you prefer) enjoy the points. G3 is for mowing, lol, though it is quite adapt at distance shots... it's real strength is CQC. learn to use the G3 for more than picking off long range targets and you'll see what I mean.
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Post by 418Y on May 23, 2011 12:37:43 GMT -5
The G3 is really inaccurate when firing sighted on the move. Still, it's a beast of a gun when hipfired with MMN.
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Post by Danthemanpr on May 23, 2011 13:16:12 GMT -5
Depends on the map. The bigger the map, the more heavily I favor the VSS.
The G3's great advantage is its fabulous iron sights. The VSS is a more flexible gun overall, but in a straight-up firefight the G3 is somewhat more effective. And that extra magazine you get with the G3 is important!
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Post by slobbergoat on May 23, 2011 18:27:27 GMT -5
I find that I'm always throwing motion mines so often as a recon that I run out of those before running out of ammo for the VSS.
I don't think you really need a custom scope on the VSS though as the game's default scope feels like it's barely 2x zoom anyway.
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Post by field on May 23, 2011 20:06:31 GMT -5
The G3 is really inaccurate when firing sighted on the move. . This is one thing that bugs me about the gun.
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Post by TheLegendaryJ on May 24, 2011 14:11:43 GMT -5
Quick tip, don't use Magnum for either because they don't need it. They're just that good.
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Post by grimnebulin on May 24, 2011 22:20:39 GMT -5
Quick tip, don't use Magnum for either because they don't need it. They're just that good. Disagree there but more 'cause of my play style... when I pick up the VSS, it is to "snipe" (vs. "stab wookie"). I then RELY on the MGNM+VSS' 2 STK to the head feature (3 otherwise... to the HEAD). Ditto for the G3. *plunk plunk* POINTS! WOOT WOOT! or something like that.
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Post by ][nquisitor Mateo on May 24, 2011 22:39:39 GMT -5
I always use magnum for the G3, you never know when your target has only 80% health and you can get the kill faster with extra damage, important, because you might get back behind cover in time to dodge the 120mm tank shell you were too distracted to see coming.
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Post by rubionubio on May 25, 2011 11:44:20 GMT -5
100% agree. Magnum on the VSS (again, I can't really speak to the G3 because I'm not that good with it) is definitely worth taking.
Since I don't really "snipe" in the classical sense when using the VSS, it's common that I'm firing on someone who's already taken some damage since I'm at or near the flanks of the "front line". Also, if I DO have the "drop" on someone who I know is at full health, I just pop off two headshots. Since you have to tap....tap... with the fire rate to be accurate, being able to drop in two headshots feels like a mountain of a difference compared to tap.... tap.... tap... And in my experience once you've PING'd a dude in the noggin and taken away ~half their life they ALWAYS look for immediate cover as opposed to trying to stand and fight (which obviously would play into your hands if they did) so you may not even have the TIME to line up a 3rd shot to the dome, let alone the skill to do it two more times on a moving target.
I do wish that I could take Body Armor with it though. I just don't don't do nearly as well with the way I use the gun.
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Post by field on May 31, 2011 23:13:38 GMT -5
Yeah honestly i havent been using the g3 too much with its picky handling characteristics how you cANT be moving and CaNT burst fire only tap shot it . I mean its good and i could probably do fairly well with it if i used it ALL the time but for me i just dont see the point.
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Post by klokateer on Jun 1, 2011 8:31:53 GMT -5
Yeah honestly i havent been using the g3 too much with its picky handling characteristics how you cANT be moving and CaNT burst fire only tap shot it . I mean its good and i could probably do fairly well with it if i used it ALL the time but for me i just dont see the point. a lot of guns are this way. I've found that the harder the gun is to use, the more rewarding it is to master it. once I got going with the G3, I had a blast.
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Post by TheLegendaryJ on Jun 1, 2011 12:35:39 GMT -5
Yeah honestly i havent been using the g3 too much with its picky handling characteristics how you cANT be moving and CaNT burst fire only tap shot it . I mean its good and i could probably do fairly well with it if i used it ALL the time but for me i just dont see the point. a lot of guns are this way. I've found that the harder the gun is to use, the more rewarding it is to master it. once I got going with the G3, I had a blast. I think VSS is better for the Touching Footballing since you don't get cross-hairs when you hipfire and it doesn't matter anyway. Also for the VSS, it makes for a more versatile weapon since the scope allows you to snipe if your good enough. I can't tell you how many time I won Defender with this gun on White Pass.
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Post by kirbyderby on Jun 1, 2011 16:28:47 GMT -5
Yeah honestly i havent been using the g3 too much with its picky handling characteristics how you cANT be moving and CaNT burst fire only tap shot it . I mean its good and i could probably do fairly well with it if i used it ALL the time but for me i just dont see the point. a lot of guns are this way. I've found that the harder the gun is to use, the more rewarding it is to master it. once I got going with the G3, I had a blast. *cough* GOL *cough* Seriously, I think you're right. I haven't put much use into the G3, but It's definitely good in the right hands.
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Post by ][nquisitor Mateo on Jun 1, 2011 17:38:29 GMT -5
Yeah honestly i havent been using the g3 too much with its picky handling characteristics how you cANT be moving and CaNT burst fire only tap shot it . I mean its good and i could probably do fairly well with it if i used it ALL the time but for me i just dont see the point. 5 bullets per second is hardly slow. Especially since it only takes 4 hits to kill... And in close range you can just unload.
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Post by TheLegendaryJ on Jun 2, 2011 13:09:14 GMT -5
May I recommend a MMN for G3? Hipfire all the way 'till the cows come home.
But I think the VSS is better compared to the SVU when it comes to sniping, or should we just be comparing the SVU to M14?
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Post by klokateer on Jun 2, 2011 14:02:32 GMT -5
May I recommend a MMN for G3? Hipfire all the way 'till the cows come home. But I think the VSS is better compared to the SVU when it comes to sniping, or should we just be comparing the SVU to M14? The spread and spray numbers the G3 holds are easily dealt with by tap firing. I see no reason to use a perk that you can make use of by schooling your trigger finger. VSS vs. SVU are entirely different weapon types. One being better than the other for a particular role is purely a subjective matter based on any given player's playstyle. SVU and M14 are the same gun and so do not need to be compared
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Post by field on Jun 2, 2011 21:09:55 GMT -5
May I recommend a MMN for G3? Hipfire all the way 'till the cows come home. But I think the VSS is better compared to the SVU when it comes to sniping, or should we just be comparing the SVU to M14? The spread and spray numbers the G3 holds are easily dealt with by tap firing. I see no reason to use a perk that you can make use of by schooling your trigger finger. SVU and M14 are the same gun and so do not need to be compared Hes talking about using MMN for hosing people in close quarters. Eh idk SVU and M14 would be the equivalent of vss vs. G3. In both cases the surpressed, scoped weapon is better in practically every way save for the fact you need to be recon to use them...the all class weapons are noisier, flashier and harder to shoot but any class can equip them. Personally ive used the m14 very little, the only time i would use it might be as engineer out in boonyville on heavy metal or something, but really if im playing engineer im not going to be sniping people.
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Post by TheLegendaryJ on Jun 6, 2011 13:01:59 GMT -5
May I recommend a MMN for G3? Hipfire all the way 'till the cows come home. But I think the VSS is better compared to the SVU when it comes to sniping, or should we just be comparing the SVU to M14? Okay, f**k it, I lied, MMN is better for long range, what you gonna do? Anyway, this is how I roll, MMN for G3, Magnum for VSS, Ketchup on my Hotdog and a Muzzle Break on my Kross. And yes, keep the SVU and M14 in the "other" thread.
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Post by phale on Jun 6, 2011 14:27:34 GMT -5
Here's my take on it. Magnum improves long range performance, but does not improve close range performance. The VSS, with its scope, is better suited to long range interdiction fire. Thus, Magnum with VSS. The G3 is more suited to close-range assault, where hipfire and mobility are more of a factor and long range power is less of a factor. Thus, Marksman with G3. Sometimes I pull out Body Armor with the G3 just for the heck of it.
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