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Post by hulk2k10 on Jun 3, 2011 2:44:31 GMT -5
I generally run 416+40 MM shotgun on my assault class. Historically, I used Magnum ammo, but have considered switching over to marksman training.
Does the spread reduction help when ADS only or hip fire only or both?
Does it affect the 40 mm shotgun?
What about the pistol?
Thanks.
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Post by klokateer on Jun 3, 2011 8:29:59 GMT -5
I do not know if it affects the 40mm shotty spread.
It affects all rounds being fired from your primary weapon and pistol.
Benefit is placebo, however.
When you ADS your spread and spray are at 0. tap firing gives your gun the opportunity to settle back to 0.0 easily. When you hip fire, your spread and spray are determined by the gun, but if you're in the appropriate range to hip fire you won't miss.
The pistols benefit from MMN ...but they have the lowest spread and spray out of any guns in the game and have no movement penalty.
Magnum on the other hand definitely affects the 40mm shotty and extends it's OHK range. It also reduces the number of shots you need to make a kill with all ARs and most pistols by 1-2 bullets.
So, while your AR and pistol are less accurate, this can be overcome by disciplining your trigger finger. Discipline your trigger finger and use Magnum and you have the best of both.
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Post by phale on Jun 3, 2011 22:57:17 GMT -5
If you really want to try out Marksmanship, use it with the F2000. It is the only assault rifle that gains an ADS accuracy advantage with the Marksman. I would still recommend it with the F2000, because it already has a fast fire rate so you won't miss Magnum as much. Also, it has the lowest hipfire and ADS move spread, so adding MMN makes it extremely accurate while maintaining maximum mobility.
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Post by dog on Jun 4, 2011 0:56:03 GMT -5
If you really want to try out Marksmanship, use it with the F2000. It is the only assault rifle that gains an ADS accuracy advantage with the Marksman. ? Don't all weapons gain accuracy while ADS with Marksman?
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Post by phale on Jun 4, 2011 11:31:42 GMT -5
EDIT: Never mind. Ignore all of the below. I have been misinformed.
From Xanga:
Marksman will improve the F2000's initial spread, thus reducing one of its primary disadvantages while enhancing one of its primary advantages - accuracy on the move.
With the other assault rifles, only hipfire and ADS while moving are improved - and the improvement is nowhere near enough to counter Magnum or Body Armor.
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Post by raxcoswell on Jun 4, 2011 13:00:00 GMT -5
I thought that F2000 zoom spread was patched out?
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Post by phale on Jun 4, 2011 13:53:53 GMT -5
EDIT: Apparently, it was patched out.
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Post by IL TJ on Jun 4, 2011 14:58:29 GMT -5
i like MMN on M16 red dot. seems like i dont have to wait as long between bursts
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Post by Den on Jun 4, 2011 18:28:07 GMT -5
Really? I've never heard so... Den's site still says that F2000 has initial zoom spread. No it doesn't.
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Post by phale on Jun 4, 2011 21:51:04 GMT -5
You ninja...
Posts fixed. I would still recommend the F2000 though. Marksman enhances the F2000's primary advantages - accuracy on the move and hipfire. The F2000 also loses less from not having Magnum than the other Assault Rifles. Just stay mobile, ALWAYS, and your accuracy advantage can be put to full effect.
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Post by klokateer on Jun 6, 2011 10:21:13 GMT -5
You ninja... Posts fixed. I would still recommend the F2000 though. Marksman enhances the F2000's primary advantages - accuracy on the move and hipfire. The F2000 also loses less from not having Magnum than the other Assault Rifles. Just stay mobile, ALWAYS, and your accuracy advantage can be put to full effect. In what way does the F2000 have less to gain from Magnum than other ARs? Without Magnum the F2000 must land 8 bullets to kill. With Magnum the F2000 must land 7 bullets to kill.
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Post by TheLegendaryJ on Jun 6, 2011 13:14:04 GMT -5
You ninja... Posts fixed. I would still recommend the F2000 though. Marksman enhances the F2000's primary advantages - accuracy on the move and hipfire. The F2000 also loses less from not having Magnum than the other Assault Rifles. Just stay mobile, ALWAYS, and your accuracy advantage can be put to full effect. In what way does the F2000 have less to gain from Magnum than other ARs? Without Magnum the F2000 must land 8 bullets to kill. With Magnum the F2000 must land 7 bullets to kill. Honestly, it doesn't matter with a faster rate of fire, you almost don't notice it. Magnum on the PP2000 still doesn't matter since I still need to use 1/4 my clip to kill someone, with or without magnum. Also, some guns don't benefit from the Magnum boost. But almost all the AR's benefit, they also have some terrible accuracy if not used right, but let's face it, when has anything in the history of everything been used right? Now personally I'm MMN all the way because I hate missing my target all the time.
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Post by raxcoswell on Jun 7, 2011 5:47:30 GMT -5
To be fair I guess going from 8 to 7 is less of a boost than going 7 to 6.
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Post by TheLegendaryJ on Jun 8, 2011 16:13:26 GMT -5
To be fair I guess going from 8 to 7 is less of a boost than going 7 to 6. Trust me, as a PP2k lover, it is. And for something like the AN-94, "HOLY CRAP THIS WEAPON IS A-MAY-ZAAAAAAH!"
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Post by hulk2k10 on Jun 13, 2011 11:53:28 GMT -5
So if I've read the comments correctly, MMN only affects hip-fire and not ADS. Also, the 40mm shotgun is not affected by MMN.
Is this correct?
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Post by TheLegendaryJ on Jun 13, 2011 12:26:08 GMT -5
So if I've read the comments correctly, MMN only affects hip-fire and not ADS. Also, the 40mm shotgun is not affected by MMN. Is this correct? No.
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Post by hulk2k10 on Jun 13, 2011 12:40:05 GMT -5
So MMN affects ADS and 40 mm shotgun?
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Post by TheLegendaryJ on Jun 13, 2011 13:02:58 GMT -5
So MMN affects ADS and 40 mm shotgun? It affects ADS but not 40MM Shotty, I play on 360 though, so it could be different.
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Post by klokateer on Jun 14, 2011 16:28:56 GMT -5
So if I've read the comments correctly, MMN only affects hip-fire and not ADS. Also, the 40mm shotgun is not affected by MMN. Is this correct? ADS is still affected by spread. MMN reduces that spread. however, tap firing while ADS results in 0.0 spread for every shot when you train yourself for it. I feel like I can't stress that enough.
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Post by saddaminsane on Jun 14, 2011 18:29:26 GMT -5
g3 works better with mmn most guns work better with magnum some guns work very well with mmn try both and see which you like
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