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Post by iKONIG on Oct 3, 2009 20:55:18 GMT -5
Hey, hey, hey! I was looking around on the net the other day, just browsing at some exspensive headsets that il never own, and i relised that many of them only have 2 channels? Turtle Beaches X1, X3, X4, P1, P21. and of course... The Astro A40s (i think) I'v owned a 5.1 home theatre for about a year, and it works great! but what i dont understand is how a 2 channel headset can help? Does this mean i can plug my $20 plantronics PC headset into my PS3 and it'll do the same job? I can even remember someone on youtube, plugging there X3s into there TV? WTF??
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Post by n1gh7 on Oct 4, 2009 0:08:53 GMT -5
Most of those headsets have simulated 5.1 sound and the real good thing is that most of them have in game voice and a mic combined into it. The draw back to those headsets is that their sound quality isn't the best. But all of them are sufficient for gaming. Most people plug their headsets into: the Astro A40 mixamp, their TVs, or a receiver. you can also play the sound really loud and not bother anyone.
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Post by iKONIG on Oct 4, 2009 2:31:10 GMT -5
Hmmm, simulated...
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Post by qupie on Oct 4, 2009 16:27:30 GMT -5
I just use my receiver and speaker system (wich is quite good though) and I can hear everything, really sweet and really an advantage sometimes I get kills by not even seeing them. and just turning and hipfiring somebody behind me
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Post by robesh on Oct 6, 2009 21:55:25 GMT -5
I actually just use the speakers on my 50" HDTV.
When I turn the volume up, I can hear plenty of things.
I'm sure a gaming headset/speaker system is better, but I've never tried it.
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Post by ssog on Oct 7, 2009 0:20:43 GMT -5
I actually just use the speakers on my 50" HDTV. When I turn the volume up, I can hear plenty of things. I'm sure a gaming headset/speaker system is better, but I've never tried it. I use a Turtle Beach X1 headset, mostly because it was cheap ($30, iirc) and because I prefer the corded version to the cordless version because I'm always running out of batteries. It really does make a difference in terms of noticing subtle ambient noise and being able to determine direction. Mostly I just use them so my wife doesn't get pissed at me for playing games while she's trying to go to sleep.
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Post by robesh on Oct 7, 2009 22:57:21 GMT -5
I've tried out my buddy's Turtle Beach X1's, and they are amazing. I could tell not only where people were from very far away, but I could tell where they were going and how oblivious they were (based on how much sprinting was going on in a tight space, aka i was playing noobs).
I gots to get me a pair of those.
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Post by iKONIG on Oct 9, 2009 0:35:36 GMT -5
yip, they're pretty usefull *cough*
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Post by n1gh7 on Oct 9, 2009 0:48:27 GMT -5
nice.
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Post by robesh on Oct 9, 2009 14:38:09 GMT -5
yip, they're pretty usefull *cough* Amazing. With my TV's speaker system, I definitely wouldn't have heard those guys over all that noise.
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Post by ssog on Oct 10, 2009 4:18:56 GMT -5
I've tried out my buddy's Turtle Beach X1's, and they are amazing. I could tell not only where people were from very far away, but I could tell where they were going and how oblivious they were (based on how much sprinting was going on in a tight space, aka i was playing noobs). I gots to get me a pair of those. I have several friends who all insist that they have a GREAT sound system and that it's every bit as good as a gaming headset. I always make them try my X1s, and they all sing a different tune afterwards. Even a crappy headset (and the X1s are about the cheapest headset you're going to find) is a massive upgrade over even great surround sound. When I first got my X1s, I started getting really jumpy and trigger-happy. After an unfortunate incident or two, I kindly informed all of my teammates that I was shooting at the slightest noise, so if they came near me they better either crouch-walk or announce their presence first. It's really nice when you get a team full of headset users who are all either crouch-walking, ADS-walking, or rocking Dead Silence, because you know that each and every sound is an enemy, no exceptions.
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Post by robesh on Oct 11, 2009 11:18:38 GMT -5
I've heard that some advanced headsets can hear Dead Silence users when they walk/run/sprint.
Is this true?
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Post by n1gh7 on Oct 11, 2009 14:21:33 GMT -5
I've heard that some advanced headsets can hear Dead Silence users when they walk/run/sprint. Is this true? First you don't need an Advanced Headset, any type of headset or surround sound system will do. The answer is yes, but DS is so quiet that any type of shooting or ambient noise will make the walking/sprinting very hard, almost impossible to hear. I personally like my ear drums so I don't turn up the sound that loud.
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Post by toysrme on Oct 12, 2009 1:32:59 GMT -5
either have a $5 stereo headset or a high dollar REAL surround headset. not a set of "surround" headphones that are passing BS processed signals to 2 speakers.
TB ftl
either grab some A40's & a good mixamp to run them OR grab some AX's love my AX Pros to death. regular/hardcore FFA & S&D is the most retardidly easy thing to win on a quality set. (When Im not playing with my headsets+PC monitor Im either playing on 5 channel surroud via JBL studio monitors & an onkyo amp 36" reglar CRT TV / 105" projector, OR 7.1 via a $1200 set of JBL's and an Onkyo TX-SR606b)
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Post by toysrme on Oct 12, 2009 1:38:28 GMT -5
the reason a $5 2 channel stereo headset can trump multi position speakers offering a superior stound stage is simple your brain will process VERY CLEARLY AND QUICKLY if you are talking left, or right. and there is no changing on this sound stage. it's always the same - you can't move around in it. youll also be unquestionably playing much louder on a set of headphones than you will surround sound. I have noone living here the majority of the time and dont crank it up to quite the same level.
when i play on the 5/7.1 channel... you can sometimes question exactly where something is. (sure you know left right front back, but between speakers it can be alittle iffy) i put the AX pro's on. it just doesn't matter. 2 channel stereo headphones, once you figure out front / back (which you get better at very quickly) its obvious what's going on.
you put headphones on in a 1v1/ffa and take deadsilence (its a requirement) if you dont beat someone playing without DS. aint anything gunna help you. its crazy.
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Post by toysrme on Oct 12, 2009 1:41:50 GMT -5
afa hearing a DS player it depends on what they're doing to make noise. are they sprinting & jingling? walking over loud objects etc?
if we load up Dome in a 1v1 and you're DSless. I can hear you about 1/3 of the map away provided I have a LOS on you and no walls between us. if you have DS ive still got about 10 maybe 15 feet. if you're a hyper fast player it's JUST enough time to turn and pre-fire.
now if we do shipment in COD4... maybe 5-10 feet.
its just far enough so that youll hear the person about to kill you, but you may not be able to do anything about it much of the time. (less you're playing on 6-7-8-9-10 and are quick)
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Post by ssog on Oct 13, 2009 2:01:52 GMT -5
I've heard that some advanced headsets can hear Dead Silence users when they walk/run/sprint. Is this true? First you don't need an Advanced Headset, any type of headset or surround sound system will do. The answer is yes, but DS is so quiet that any type of shooting or ambient noise will make the walking/sprinting very hard, almost impossible to hear. I personally like my ear drums so I don't turn up the sound that loud. This. Dead Silence should really be known more as "Unconscious Silence" or "On Life Support Silence" or "In A Persistent Vegetative State Silence". You can still hear the sound of gear creaking and jingling and whatnot, everything is just significantly quieter. Someone without DS who is crouch-walking or ADS-walking is actually quieter than someone with DS who is regular walking, although the DS user can sprint with a high degree of silence and the other guy can't. Since I rarely find myself sprinting when enemies are around (i.e. sprinting for a purpose other than getting into position quickly in objective gametypes), I always just eschew DS and crouch-walk everywhere (or ADS-walk if I have an SMG). Crouch/ADS-walking is, as far as I can tell, truly silent.
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Post by imrlybord7 on Oct 13, 2009 10:51:51 GMT -5
Yes, ADS and crouching are totally silent. But in SnD I can't live without Dead Silence. I sprint everywhere.
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Post by n1gh7 on Oct 13, 2009 18:26:23 GMT -5
First you don't need an Advanced Headset, any type of headset or surround sound system will do. The answer is yes, but DS is so quiet that any type of shooting or ambient noise will make the walking/sprinting very hard, almost impossible to hear. I personally like my ear drums so I don't turn up the sound that loud. This. Dead Silence should really be known more as "Unconscious Silence" or "On Life Support Silence" or "In A Persistent Vegetative State Silence". You can still hear the sound of gear creaking and jingling and whatnot, everything is just significantly quieter. Someone without DS who is crouch-walking or ADS-walking is actually quieter than someone with DS who is regular walking, although the DS user can sprint with a high degree of silence and the other guy can't. Since I rarely find myself sprinting when enemies are around (i.e. sprinting for a purpose other than getting into position quickly in objective gametypes), I always just eschew DS and crouch-walk everywhere (or ADS-walk if I have an SMG). Crouch/ADS-walking is, as far as I can tell, truly silent. I think that the weapon switching and reloading are still just as loud as they are without DS as there are with it. Falling is also just as loud, but it seems quieter because you are not making much noise after you hit the ground. The only thing I never hear on myself is the little jingling idle sounds your character makes when he checks his equipment and stuff. Some background: I use Astro A40's and I've had them since I started playing CoD4 and once I unlocked DS I've used it almost exclusively. (except for the occasional m40 acog bout and what not) I find people just by their sound of their reloading quite often in HC and SND.
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Post by toysrme on Oct 14, 2009 3:21:27 GMT -5
only your footsteps are silenced. everything else down to your breathing is just as loud.
dead silence in 1v1 is more vital a perk against quality opposition than stopping power is in any game mode in any situ. you virtually MUST take dead silence in a 1v1. if not & the other player has headphones on.
expect to die...
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Post by imrlybord7 on Oct 14, 2009 21:20:53 GMT -5
Breathing sounds? You're joking, right? If there are actually breathing sounds, I'm going to go get my hearing checked, because I have never heard them (other than first person sniping and pain noises).
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Post by iKONIG on Oct 15, 2009 2:16:54 GMT -5
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even if dead silence isnt dead silence, its still very helpfull not getting your footsteps confused with others! especially when your got your home theatre pumped up to the max!!!
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Post by toysrme on Oct 15, 2009 3:31:28 GMT -5
exactly. gets rid of most of the "clutter" sounds you cause letting you concentrate on other sounds more (instead of trying to seperate them from others)
good for small games.
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Post by ssog on Oct 16, 2009 0:25:44 GMT -5
... even if dead silence isnt dead silence, its still very helpfull not getting your footsteps confused with others! especially when your got your home theatre pumped up to the max!!! True, but so does crouch-walking, and that doesn't take up a perk slot.
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Post by qupie on Oct 17, 2009 11:27:05 GMT -5
Or ADS, but I really love death silence, use it on nearly every class... main reason is that I can hear my enemies better
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Post by toysrme on Oct 17, 2009 20:47:39 GMT -5
ssog you would be at a severe disadvantage in W@W or cod4 in a 1v1 to a player with headphones even if u are crouching & quick sprinting before the loudest sounds play.
get away without it in TDM/HTDM. its a must take in 1v1 (either mode) or hffa. ppsh, bandoleer, SOH, DS bolt action + band, SP(C)/DT(HC), DS
hardcore winnage in 1v1/ffa/hffa
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Post by ssog on Oct 19, 2009 4:29:34 GMT -5
ssog you would be at a severe disadvantage in W@W or cod4 in a 1v1 to a player with headphones even if u are crouching & quick sprinting before the loudest sounds play. get away without it in TDM/HTDM. its a must take in 1v1 (either mode) or hffa. ppsh, bandoleer, SOH, DS bolt action + band, SP(C)/DT(HC), DS 30 Health Mode winnage in 1v1/ffa/hffa (1) I don't play Cage Match (b) crouch walking is quieter than dead silence, anyway (iii) the other guy's at a disadvantage, too, because I've got Steady Aim and he doesn't. (four) Bandoleer in cage match? Because you regularly hold the other guy without a kill, and it's so hard to make it to 10 kills on a single clip, and it's so hard to find replacement guns, and you can't just... you know... commit suicide when you run out of ammo? (7) crouch walking is quieter than dead silence, anyway.
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Post by toysrme on Oct 19, 2009 9:47:31 GMT -5
ill agree with you if you want to talk TDM, hq, dom. DS is a doo-dooty useless perk VS SA or EC. for every 1 kill that results from DS youll probably have 5 or 10 from SA, EC or DI. (im a SA/EC hoebag, not a big DI player beyond using an acog m40, m14 or rpd) SA is my favorite perk 3, just not in small VS games!
ya obvious u dont do small player count / VS game types lol. i say this because doing 1v1's/small private matches/speccing friends & high caliber players i play against all the time is the SECOND most common game type i play #1 tdm 2 private 3 dom). i typically start/end almost ALL of my gaming sessions in a private match with fairly high level players.
if you dont take dead silence against someone who either has a LOUD surround sound setup (IT MUST BE true surround sound. not "simulated" surround sound like Dolby ProLogic or PLII) OR a pair of headphones (again simulated surround sound sucks). you are going to die alot. SA isn't going to change that lol
crouch walking is sooooooo much slower youll do nothing but get incessantly spawn killed on shipment, or be at a tactical disadvantage when you spawn on Dome. youre not that much smaller of a target you dont pickup enough accuracy to justify it you've not only ensured you wont strafe out of gunfire, you must go through the standing animination before you can sprint! if you get caught down youre likely to go down!
the only positive is a reduction (not elimination) of movement sound!
you crouch walk someone with DS on shipment, or lay down in grass. that may get you a kill or two, but you cant win a match doing it, and its likely to cost you some kills in return!
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