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Post by battleaxerx on Dec 24, 2011 2:58:58 GMT -5
It's funny but I just now noticed that the PDWs have .5 spread for standing and moving ADS. That's very good... But, what are the reasons for not using the PDW-R?
Let me try to get this straight real quick...
VS the UMP45, The PP 2K is still beefy up close, but sacrifices ranged power, reload time, and mag size for RPM? and velocity? and slightly better accuracy? Hmm... It kinda seems balanced if I dare say.
VS the PP 2k, the MP7 trades up close damage for even more RPM, velocity, quicker reload, more compressed wider but shorter accuracy/recoil. I'm seeing a trend... Power for handling, handling for power.
ump and PDW... the PDW has higher RPM and velocity for a smaller mag that takes much more time to reload... Plus the PDWR handles more like an engy gun in the spread category. It can have ex mags too. hmm... The PDW R is also more accurate... =\ UNLESS you're moving! I think that's my answer.
the AS VAL is like a recon SMG... on par perhaps with the PDWR but excelling in a different situation. Good weapon with a hilarious pregame glitch (WTF is that? My knee or something? lulz, I wanna put a happy face on it! It kinda looks like I have an abnormal growth coming out of my shoulder)
P90 vs MP7 - the MP7 is higher RPM but lower velocity... and has more sideways recoil, but less vertical... for a very small mag that runs out in a snap. Also, the MP7 is likely the smallest primary in the game...
pp-19 vs all... I guess the tube is CO2 and there's some BBs that rumble around in the handle. JK, but really, Joke gun?
One question is, can speed/velocity really help in CQC? Feels more responsive maybe? Or is it a stat that more showcases bullet drop as a strength or weakness?
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Post by fuzzybunny on Dec 24, 2011 10:18:35 GMT -5
The PDW-R is a good PDW without question, one of the best, and I used it for a while. However, I like the P-90 because it is unique, it feels like its own gun and preforms well.Mag size is sometimes overlooked in CQC, what if there are two guys? Not a concern with my P-90, it gives you a lot to fall back on. The PDW-R just felt like I was trying to make up for not having my F-2000 on every class with a miniature replacement
In short, PDW-R is good, but I'm diggin' that P-90 vibe.
EDIT- Bullet velocity is not a factor in anything but calculating bullet drop for me, which only comes up sniping, so that isn't really an issue for the PDW's.
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Post by didjeridu on Dec 24, 2011 13:02:49 GMT -5
I prefer the P90 as well. You can't say no to a 50 round magazine while simultaneously using a silencer and a laser sight. It might not do as well at range, but at least it's accurate enough. And for whatever reason they decided to let the P90 have a fast reload, even though it has a ton of rounds. PDW-R is okay, but the empty reload is a killer. Overall, I just think it tries too hard to be a carbine, but falls short.
I'd love to like the UMP, but I just can't. It doesn't do anything worthwhile. The PP2000 is pathetic without extended, and mediocre with. Although the MP7 kills fast, there's no point in using it when the P90 does the same thing with more versatile attachments. PP-19...I just don't know. If the damage really is 16.7-9.1, I don't see why it exists. It's worse than the P90 in every way, except it has a few more rounds. I like the VAL for Engi as a superior carbine option, but until it gets extended, I wouldn't use it seriously. The reloads make it less of a problem, but sometimes you just want to spray down a clump of enemies, but you just don't have the capacity to do so.
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Post by rudybojangles on Dec 24, 2011 13:29:50 GMT -5
Don't be too fast to discount just how awesome the MP7+extended mags is. I have been using it instead of the P90 because of its recoil. For some asinine reason, the MP7 for me just plain works people even at a good range,and having 40 bullets to do it with helps more. I have used hipfire on it + laser sight at ungodly ranges (like, there is no way I should be getting these kills ranges). If you burst fast enough, you can effectively ignore the heavy horizontal recoil. I prefer it over the heavy recoil of the P90 and PDW-R. Don't discount the fact that the ammo type that the P90 and MP7 uses has a longer short range than the PDW-R and similar PDWs have.
My setup: laser sight, holo (US or RU) -OR- 3.4 RU sight, extended mags. 40 rounds of hot lead.
Also, the AS VAL is the best PDW by far - stats wise.
I'll have to give the PDW-R and P90 another shot, but something about the recoil on the MP7 makes me hard as Foxtrot
Between 8-12 meters, the MP7 is faster killing than the PDW-R.
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Post by battleaxerx on Dec 24, 2011 15:25:51 GMT -5
I guess the MP7 counts as a headshot tool, so it's probably a great weapon when mastered.
If you can ADS walk while getting headshots at a bit of distance, you're probably golden.
I'm making a new account for a free month of live, and I think I'm gonna use a lot of PDWs lol...
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Post by sushicake on Dec 24, 2011 20:16:39 GMT -5
The PDW-R/P90 are more or less the best PDWs on the consoles ATM. But when the consoles finally get the latest patch that the PC got (which buffed the damage/recoil of the P90 and MP7), the P90 will definitely become the sole top choice. And the AS VAL is not a PDW so it shouldn't be mentioned here  . But it is the best all-around all-kit weapon for sure. |
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Post by irlou on Dec 24, 2011 21:39:10 GMT -5
The PDW-R has little to offer over the P90. Its TTK is almost the same while its accuracy might not be better (higher v-recoil, non-symetric h-recoil, higher spread increase).
It can be better at some distance but PDW weapons suck at long range anyway. At very close range, when you hip fire, it has a higher base spread than the others.
And the low-size mag, also...
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Post by rudybojangles on Dec 25, 2011 0:29:44 GMT -5
The biggest thing I missed from the MP7 after moving to the PDW-R was the hipfire. It was not nearly as tight (think laser tight) as the MP7. Anyway...
Alright, I've definitely gotten some experience with the PDW-R. I played it with silencer/RDS, Ext-mags/RDS, and nothing really impressed me. The MP7 has a lot more killing power/clip, does it nice and fast, and has low low vertical recoil. TTK is similar.
Damage in clip of PDW's: close (ext mags), far (ext mags f)
PP-2000: 500 (1000), 200 (400)
UMP-45: 625, 312.5
MP7: 400 (800), 200 (400)
AS VAL: 440, 334
PDW-R: 500 (750), 250 (375)
P90: 1000, 500
PP-19: 918.5, 500.5
PDW-R has a low damage in it's maximum clip size.
ED: I will have to give the P90 one more go. Maybe I can overcome recoil to make it shine.
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Post by rudybojangles on Dec 25, 2011 2:20:35 GMT -5
First bout with the P90 is very positive. Doesn't quite do the things I can get the MP7 to do, but it does it silenced, which is great for getting behind the enemy. Lots of sideways recoil is very similar to the MP7, and tight as a virgin hipfire is nice except for in the extreme closeness. So far, I prefer the P90 over most other PDW's. We'll see how I like it tomorrow.
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Post by fazzmania on Dec 25, 2011 8:31:37 GMT -5
First bout with the P90 is very positive. Doesn't quite do the things I can get the MP7 to do, but it does it silenced, which is great for getting behind the enemy. Lots of sideways recoil is very similar to the MP7, and tight as a virgin hipfire is nice except for in the extreme closeness. So far, I prefer the P90 over most other PDW's. We'll see how I like it tomorrow. Funny way to describe it but after playing it for a while (RDS/Laser/Silencer) and it really is toight. toight like a toiger |
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Post by tiesieman on Dec 26, 2011 6:32:29 GMT -5
P90 for stealth with suppressor
UMP45 FOR suppressor, and it seems like the best ranged PDW aside from the VAL
MP7 for going all out extended mags (suppressor does look better on it, IMO)
PP-2K I can't think of a niche for this. A high capaticity UMP45 with less damage at range seems pretty bad.
VAL for best range (and therefore best all-round). Thing's gonna get extended mags too, so it's literally gonna be an AEK with more accuracy but less damage
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Post by sushicake on Dec 26, 2011 8:03:17 GMT -5
 No love for the PDW-R?
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Post by tiesieman on Dec 26, 2011 8:49:32 GMT -5
Thing is kinda ugly, so I haven't used it alot lol
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Post by rudybojangles on Dec 27, 2011 12:31:17 GMT -5
No love for the PDW-R? Not from me, especially competing with the fast firing P90 and MP7. |
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Post by raxcoswell on Dec 27, 2011 22:35:39 GMT -5
PDW-R never really clicked for me until tonight, now I am totally behind it. Used the MP7 maybe once, P90 never, the point-blank damage is really frustrating for me. I'll give them a whirl once console gets the PC patch. Been using the VAL and the UMP mostly, but then their power in cqc would frustrate me at times, only times when I felt like I was losing fights just because of my gun. But once I had the rds for the PDW-R, its handling seemed to click for me, got the laser and expanded mags and now it's a total dreamboat. Actually had fun playing recon. Also it looks pretty steez.
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Post by rudybojangles on Dec 27, 2011 22:50:15 GMT -5
point blank is only good until you see someone at 15 m
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Post by raxcoswell on Dec 27, 2011 23:22:01 GMT -5
I run away from all engagements >5m
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Post by didjeridu on Dec 28, 2011 14:40:08 GMT -5
Funny, I had the exact opposite experience. I used and enjoyed the PDW-R a bunch during Beta and around release, but after I got the later weapons I never went back until the other day to finish off its service star. It was pretty painful after using post-patch P90. Seriously, you don't know what you're missing. Slap a laser sight on that thing, and you can just hipfire everything. But anyways, it's just too average for me. It's too slow to compete with other close range weapons, and too weak to compete beyond close range. I think I'd like it a lot better if it had 30 rounds by default. I just feel gimped when I'm "forced" into sacrificing an attachment for extended. But I suppose then the UMP would be completely worthless. And now I'm reminded of how ridiculous a UMP looks with a drum magazine; thanks Brink. |
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Post by rubionubio on Dec 29, 2011 0:32:52 GMT -5
[quote author=didjeridu board=general2 thread=3655 post=60436 time=1325101208 I think I'd like it a lot better if it had 30 rounds by default.[/quote]
Precisely. Guns w/ 20 round mags are insta-buzzkill for me. It's just plain stupid, period. In a perfect and sane world the guns w/ 20 round mags (in a class w/ 30 round mags as standard obv.) would do 30% more damage to account for the fact that they have 30% less killing power per magazine than other guns, or at least 1.5 less bullets to kill or something along those lines. As it stands right now you're literally giving up something (mag size) for something (a tiny difference in damage/range/etc.) that's not even remotely close to a fair trade.
I'm just basically saying that with almost every other decision you're forced to make in the game in regards to loadout - whether it's which gun to use, attachments to choose, or equipment to bring - Has mostly balanced choices, where going with one loadout is going to make you better in some areas and worse in others, in nearly equal measure; Example being you can take the M27 IAR and be better as mobile support or go with a belt-fed for the extra ammo per belt and longer suppression potential.
With the 20 round mag guns the decision is basically: Take a gun with 20 rounds per mag or take a gun with 30+ rounds per mag, but haha on you, the 20 round mag gun doesn't really kill any faster, so you're always going to be left needing a reload after every kill!
Dumb. In my opinion of course.
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Post by sushicake on Dec 29, 2011 0:54:24 GMT -5
Well, the PDW-R used to be (quite significantly) the fastest killing PDW, until DICE buffed the P90 and MP7 without realizing they would overshadow the PDW-R.
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Post by rudybojangles on Dec 30, 2011 19:13:39 GMT -5
Alright, just got some playtime with the AS VAL.
It's definitely a playstyle adjustment switching from the 40 rd. MP7. The gun kills frighteningly fast when all of the bullets connect, but for me, it's inconsistent. Pair that with poor hipfire on account of the silencer and AR-like attributes, and it starts looking like it needs more ammo. You basically want to use Ammo+ if you plan on getting more than 3-4 kills in a life. I think that the gun would be brilliant with the ext. mags attachment that Demize says is coming, but for now, you really do not want to engage enemies in bunches, or you want to be absolutely prepared to pull out a handy pistol. I put on the first unlock: the 4x scope, and it was okay. Gave it good range but actually hurt the close range power of the weapon.
MP7 still is a winner for me, for the time being. I was doing some calculations: 0.67 spread with laser sight on MP7 from hip, .5 spread sighted. Basically, I hardly ever sight the gun, most of my kills are from the hip. And I still rock 15% accuracy with it.
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Post by rudybojangles on Dec 31, 2011 3:43:07 GMT -5
Alright.
From what I can tell, the AS VAL does things at range which no other PDW can, provided you are sighted and bursting. I got a few gameplays with Fraps, but I have a really slow upload. I may show those gameplays just to show you how I used the MP7
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Post by raxcoswell on Dec 31, 2011 5:11:33 GMT -5
I wanna see gameplay vids by my messageboard buddies!
Not much to add except I still really, really like the PDW-R. It's creeped in to my top 5 guns. I'm shying away from MP7/P90 because I'm on xbox so they don't have the PC boost yet, but are they still decent guns anyway? Not like I really fight head 50/50s whenever I can help it anyway, and I used that much-maligned PP-19 last night and did just fine with it.
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Post by sushicake on Dec 31, 2011 13:42:55 GMT -5
I wanna see gameplay vids by my messageboard buddies! Not much to add except I still really, really like the PDW-R. It's creeped in to my top 5 guns. I'm shying away from MP7/P90 because I'm on xbox so they don't have the PC boost yet, but are they still decent guns anyway? Not like I really fight head 50/50s whenever I can help it anyway, and I used that much-maligned PP-19 last night and did just fine with it. Hmm well if you didn't mind the PP-19 then I guess you should give those two a spin. IIRC their original stats were the same as the PP-19's. |
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Post by rudybojangles on Dec 31, 2011 19:13:06 GMT -5
Trying to figure out the whole fraps-> youtube without losing a ton of quality. Any suggestions from the bros?
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Post by didjeridu on Dec 31, 2011 22:01:47 GMT -5
Trying to figure out the whole fraps-> youtube without losing a ton of quality. Any suggestions from the bros? I usually compress videos to .mp4 since it's a decent balance of quality and size, but don't take my word for it. I'm pretty green when it comes to the whole video editing thing. Only thing I'd personally recommend is to not bother with 1080p videos. It's nice to have super high quality for other things, but it's not worth it for Youtube. |
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Post by raxcoswell on Jan 1, 2012 6:00:46 GMT -5
^agree w/that, when I'm watching youtube vids with the option, I click 720 over 1080 because they look the same and I don't have to buy as many internet tokens from the post office. Don't you need to be watching on >30" screens for it to even make a difference
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Post by tiesieman on Jan 1, 2012 6:36:07 GMT -5
I wanna see gameplay vids by my messageboard buddies! Not much to add except I still really, really like the PDW-R. It's creeped in to my top 5 guns. I'm shying away from MP7/P90 because I'm on xbox so they don't have the PC boost yet, but are they still decent guns anyway? Not like I really fight head 50/50s whenever I can help it anyway, and I used that much-maligned PP-19 last night and did just fine with it. Don't quote me on this, but I think you got the same taclight and irnv nerf now, right? Because if you do, you've also got the MP7/P90 buffs Can't imagine you didn't, seeing as they had to update anyway for the karkand weapons |
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Post by sushicake on Jan 2, 2012 1:30:19 GMT -5
Nope I don't think consoles got the patch that buffed the MP7/P90. That patch removed burst fire mode on the M416 but it's still here on PS3. The IRNV did get nerfed though. I think the consoles and PC get different patches.
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Post by rudybojangles on Jan 2, 2012 15:37:13 GMT -5
It's still processing and pretty bad quality, but it should have 480p eventually and hopefully not look like dogdoo.
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. But it is the best all-around all-kit weapon for sure.
No love for the PDW-R?
