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Post by saucejockey on Jan 2, 2012 20:01:47 GMT -5
Just wondering if there's any reason to use the vanilla pistols after unlocking the modified versions, ie using the M9 after unlocking the M9 tactical light.
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Post by rudybojangles on Jan 2, 2012 20:12:28 GMT -5
Better q is why use anything else when you have unlocked .44, 93R, or G18S?
To answer... I guess if you don't like turning off your flashlight if you don't want to be seen, then you should use the vanilla. Silenced pistols I think aren't affected. So yeah.
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Post by raxcoswell on Jan 2, 2012 20:23:19 GMT -5
the tacts don't get those lovely dogtags when you get stars ;((((((
also I would use m9/mp443 over .44/93r/g18 with shotguns/pdw anytime
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Post by tiesieman on Jan 3, 2012 8:00:26 GMT -5
Better q is why use anything else when you have unlocked .44, 93R, or G18S? 1. Style factor  2. They are much better alternatives at range fire, especially when the whole input issue is gonna be resolved |
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Post by rudybojangles on Jan 3, 2012 8:19:07 GMT -5
Better q is why use anything else when you have unlocked .44, 93R, or G18S? 1. Style factor 2. They are much better alternatives at range fire, especially when the whole input issue is gonna be resolved The long range damage of the M93R and G18 are the same as the high capacity semi auto pistols. All you have to do is change their fire mode, and ouala, same (or better due to higher capacity) as the semi-auto only pistols. They don't get the attachments though. |
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Post by tiesieman on Jan 3, 2012 9:52:52 GMT -5
That's a good point. But still, I prefer the vanilla ones.
I know I'll waste shots with an RPM of 900; the delay between firing the last lethal shot and the actual kill popping seems to be so long that I often think I could've used less rounds
So for me, G18 (M93R is virtually useless right now thanks to the weird burst fire delay but that'll be fixed) is only usefull in 1vs1s... I'd rather have more control
+ style points are important (which arguably the .44/REX are best at)
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Post by fazzmania on Jan 3, 2012 12:43:28 GMT -5
1. Style factor 2. They are much better alternatives at range fire, especially when the whole input issue is gonna be resolved The long range damage of the M93R and G18 are the same as the high capacity semi auto pistols. All you have to do is change their fire mode, and ouala, same (or better due to higher capacity) as the semi-auto only pistols. They don't get the attachments though. It's perhaps worth noting that the semi auto pistols do 25 at point blank whereas the G18 does 20. Still, it is quite viable with single fire. |
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Post by rudybojangles on Jan 3, 2012 14:55:25 GMT -5
It's perhaps worth noting that the semi auto pistols do 25 at point blank whereas the G18 does 20. Still, it is quite viable with single fire. Of course. But at close range, you need to be spraying from the hip full auto anyway. At range, like near the max damage range, you have time to click to single fire, line up shots, and wait on it. AND the Rafica gives you that extra bullet over the G18, but NO SUPPRESSOR FOR YOU! Most of the time, I try to spray someone down, fail miserably, then burst (forgetting that I have a single-fire mode), inevitably puting one bullet in per burst. Then I usually die. |
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Post by didjeridu on Jan 3, 2012 15:49:14 GMT -5
I like the M9/Grach/G17 better than the 93r/G18 most of the time. The only exception would be Recon when not using a PDW/shotgun. I feel a lot more comfortable with using the semis as a primary (on the rare occasion I run out of ammo) than I do with the autos. Although I will say that nothing makes a better "oh s***" button than a G18.
But I guess aside from dogtags, there's no reason not to use Tacts. Even if you hate flashlights, you can always turn it off. But even so, the pocket sun is invaluable and will save your life at times when you run out of ammo in a close range situation. Plus, it's nice to always have a flashlight handy to blind all those useless Supports, or possibly wookies, on your team.
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Post by tiesieman on Jan 3, 2012 16:24:28 GMT -5
I would like to see pistols damage buffed to 30, so they stay a 4 hit kill to the limbs. Would make them stand out more.
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Post by I Am Hollywood5 on Feb 3, 2012 0:28:03 GMT -5
well I know one particular case I would take the vanilla version over the upgraded version is the .44, I mean come on, a magnum with a scope? lol
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Post by rubionubio on Feb 3, 2012 1:49:45 GMT -5
I just started using the REX based on some suggestions from friends, and wow am I loving it.
I was using the 1911 for the nostalgia factor (I absolutely loved this gun in BC2) and the G17c for bullet-spam, but I just realized that, in the situations that I frequently find myself needing to pull my sidearm in, I am MUCH better off with that monster 50 damage than what I was getting from the other sidearms. Almost every time that I've had to pull it has been an emergency where I ran out of ammo or needed to just finish off a guy that I had already wounded pretty badly, and knowing that I'm going to do a whopping 50 points of damage with that first shot has been huge.
I just pull it, line up the shot, and bam, dude is dead with one round fired. The TTK of the REX and the .44 in these types of situations is just insane, and that's what I need it for, to finish off the guy that's limping away after I've put a couple bullets in him already, but I don't have time for a reload. Or you can just take a second longer to line up a headshot and KNOW that you're going to drop him regardless of his health.
Oh, and there's the badass factor, and I also love the tinkle-tinkle of the empty shells coming out of the gun. Just such a sweet pistol!
Anyway, just adding my 2cp.
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Post by baron on Feb 3, 2012 10:14:56 GMT -5
I've gotta way in on the side of the M9/MP443 Tactical versions. I cannot count the number of times my bacon has been saved by blinding someone when I freak out and whip out the pistol (those two events almost always occur simultaneously). Plus the huge magazine is helpful, as I have an awful habit of firing wildly as I chase someone through a doors and hallways. Less than 18 rounds and I would be left looking like a jackass staring at someone with an empty gun. Furthermore, the virtually unrestricted fire rate lets me chew people up when I get into a good trigger groove.
I go through a lot of bullets. This is why I play support.
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Post by didjeridu on Feb 3, 2012 13:22:19 GMT -5
Eh, if I was Support, I'd use G18/M93R every time. Ammo is the only real downside, which Support obviously covers. They also reload at the same speed as the semis, which I think they shouldn't.
Like yesterday, I killed some guy and his buddy came around the corner. I didn't have the ammo, so I whipped out my G18 and sprayed the whole thing at him, while not managing to kill him (embarrassing, I know). He did the same with his primary, and we ran out at the same time. For whatever reason he never used his pistol and just strafed me while reloading. I did the same, but I completed my reload and finished him off before he could even fire a shot. The G18 is oh so easy to use and forgiving at close range, as long as you have the ammo for it.
I still prefer the M93R, if only for aesthetics and the overly-manly 2H grip on such a tiny weapon. But silly me got my service star for the silenced G18 first, so now I have to use the regular one for the dogtag. And I bet as soon as I get it, DICE will release a patch that lets any version of a pistol earn the dogtag.
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Post by turdferguson on Feb 3, 2012 18:38:07 GMT -5
I think the flashlight looks silly on most of the pistols, and the suppressor has a lot more utility for me. I've been going through lots of pistols lately.
After using the Raffica for so long, I started trying out other pistols because I wanted something with a suppressor. The G18 (S) is really good most of the time, but it can be really inconsistant for me, too. It seems like when I face two enemies at once I either get both of them or neither of them. Also, I could get three enemies in a row at ~20 m easily, and then fail to get anyone at that range again for three consecutive games.
I tried out the M9/Grach (again, suppressed) for a few games, but the lowish ROF and jamming made them pretty useless in my hands. And they annoyingly switch between each other when you switch teams. I liked the 1911 initially, but I kept losing fire fights (sometimes embarrassingly) with it that I would have easily won with the Raffica/G18. So I think I will try the Rex next before going back full circle to the Raffica which I still wish had a suppressor.
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Post by rubionubio on Feb 4, 2012 12:48:30 GMT -5
The REX just seems like so much more of a skilled sidearm. With the Raffica and the G18 you're basically just hosing people to death - which is fun - but the REX requires you to line up that one good shot and rewards you for taking just one extra tick and ending the fight with one well placed shot. I realize that there are situations where the arbitrarily low fire-cap will get me killed, but again, the way the gun is it forces you to play to it's strengths, which is good practice in my opinion.
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Post by saddaminsane on Feb 4, 2012 20:55:07 GMT -5
Why did they decide to give the .44 only 16 damage at long range? AND then throw an acog on it too, just teasing you to try to snipe with it...
But i love the idea of giving handguns 30 damage, makes a lot more sense to have them be a little more "reliable" at close range, plus that slight buff gives them the boost they need for people to use them over the g18 and .44
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