EMP

[qupie]

ok, so what does it exactly do?
I know it takes away your crosshair and radar.
but does also make your red dot from the RDS disapear for example? would be awesome ;D, and does it take down enemy air support?
have only seen it a couple of times, only had it once myself
Im thinking setting my killstreaks to harier, AC and EMP, but not really sure the EMP is worth it...
What do you guys think?

[cptmacmillan]

Think of it like this: everything that is conceivably electric stops working for your enemy. One thing to note is it does knock out your own air support. And just fyi, kills gotten with an ac130 won't count towards an EMP so you'll be a sitting duck for 40 seconds basically.

[individual]

It knocks out RDS, holographic sights, thermal sights, and any active killstreak bonuses for the enemy, for a short period of time.

[qupie]

Nov 18, 2009 5:16:29 GMT -5 cptmacmillan said:

Think of it like this: everything that is conceivably electric stops working for your enemy. One thing to note is it does knock out your own air support. And just fyi, kills gotten with an ac130 won't count towards an EMP so you'll be a sitting duck for 40 seconds basically.

why do you think that? I really think it does...

[imrlybord7]

Yeah, macmillan is way wrong. The only time kills don't count toward your streak is if you get them from a care package.

[ssog]

The EMP is also the only way to stop a Tactical Nuke if the other team launches it. Although any situation where one person has a 25 kill streak and a player on the other team has a 15 kill streak would undoubtedly be hella rare.

[cptmacmillan]

No, they don't. While trying to get a nuke one game I tried tactical loitering up on the silly top floor of a building that gives you view of half the map with a SP LMG, using Pavelow/AC130/Nuke. I got 9 kills, called in Pavelow, and just lied low hoping it would get me my AC130 without exposing myself further... it got way more than 2 kills, and no AC130 at any point. I got 2 more the regular way, then the AC130 got me past 25-0. But I still couldn't call in a nuke.

tldr test it yourself before you say I'm wrong. Certain killstreaks do _not_ count, regardless of whether or not you got them yourself.

[nogert]

Nov 18, 2009 18:17:50 GMT -5 cptmacmillan said:

tldr test it yourself before you say I'm wrong. Certain killstreaks do _not_ count, regardless of whether or not you got them yourself.

Killstreaks do count towards your killstreaks. However, the normal attack copter and pave low are currently glitched and don't add to your killstreaks. Other, non-care package, killstreaks do add; I got a nuke this way.

[cptmacmillan]

You know, that makes sense. My AC130 simply didn't get me far enough past 25-0 to make up for the kills by the Pavelow then. Didn't think about that before.

[kcpwnsgman]

One thing I noticed with the F2000 red dot, is that it didn't go out when an EMP hit us.

[individual]

Nov 19, 2009 3:07:13 GMT -5 kcpwnsgman said:

One thing I noticed with the F2000 red dot, is that it didn't go out when an EMP hit us.

Are you sure it was an enemy EMP and not a friendly one?]

[eLantern]

Does the MARS sight get knocked out too? I imagine it would.

[imrlybord7]

Of course it does.

[kcpwnsgman]

Nov 19, 2009 12:12:11 GMT -5 individual said:

Nov 19, 2009 3:07:13 GMT -5 kcpwnsgman said:

One thing I noticed with the F2000 red dot, is that it didn't go out when an EMP hit us.

Are you sure it was an enemy EMP and not a friendly one?]

screen was fuzzy and no hud, my TMP with a holographic didn't work

one thing that shouldn't be effected but is is the ACOG, there are no electronics in ACOGs

I'm pretty sure it was a bug and may have been situational like the cod4 silenced G3 knife glitch

[qupie]

or that is the advantage of holo above red dot we have been searching for

[kcpwnsgman]

Nov 20, 2009 12:14:46 GMT -5 qupie said:

or that is the advantage of holo above red dot we have been searching for

holographics still use batteries and would be effected by EMP and most likely are

[toysrme]

anyone else not bothered by emp?

[imrlybord7]

I actually like the removal of the dot, makes it easier to see. The only reason I ever use RDS/Holo is because the sheet of glass gives you clear sight around the target. But I hate the blurry screen from EMP.

[eLantern]

The EMP doesn't allow you to call in kill streaks rewards, so yes it does bother me.

[a huge rooster]

Nov 20, 2009 7:49:34 GMT -5 kcpwnsgman said:

Nov 19, 2009 12:12:11 GMT -5 individual said:

Are you sure it was an enemy EMP and not a friendly one?]

screen was fuzzy and no hud, my TMP with a holographic didn't work

one thing that shouldn't be effected but is is the ACOG, there are no electronics in ACOGs

I'm pretty sure it was a bug and may have been situational like the cod4 silenced G3 knife glitch

I can confirm this. My F2000 with red dot sight was unaffected by an EMP. Maybe because it's classified as a MARS sight and so was overlooked when coding the EMP or something?

[dchoi41]

Red marker dot on your screen lets you run around like you don't care, with respect to optics. I never took mine off from CoD4 quick scoping days. Helps coping with bad irons, too.

[tural]

Nov 18, 2009 15:43:18 GMT -5 ssog said:

The EMP is also the only way to stop a Tactical Nuke if the other team launches it. Although any situation where one person has a 25 kill streak and a player on the other team has a 15 kill streak would undoubtedly be hella rare.

The EMP actually does not stop a nuke. Have a look at the mw2_gsc_rip_1.1/maps/mp/killstreaks/_emp.gsc file to view its effects. It only takes out the following:

heli in level.helis - Destroys Attack Helicopters, Pave Lows, and Harriers
littleBird in level.littleBird - Destroys Chopper Gunners
turret in level.turrets - Destroys Sentry Guns
rocket in level.rockets - Destroys airborne rockets
uav in level.uavModels - Destroys UAVs and Counter UAVs
level.ac130player - Destroys AC-130s

You can also check these videos:


Or test it yourself in a private match. EMP does not stop a nuke, it is not even programmed for that purpose, so unless the game becomes sentient, it won't be doing so.

[ecomni]

EMP also doesn't disable the use of lock-on for Stinger missiles.

[mannon]

I remember in SP losing the holographic reticle and I rather liked it better. That reticle just gets in the way and blocks vision right where you don't want it to. Anyway I noticed that despite the lack of any reticle the ADS snap was still dead on so it was actually better like that.

As for the dot on the tv, that does sound useful, although you should keep in mind that your sights are not always pointed right at the center of the screen. When your gun idles it will actually move around some and I think the kick from getting hit as well as the recoil will also throw off the alignment of your dot.

Personally that would also drive me crazy unless it was a sticker I could take off when not playing MW2. heh I think I'll just stick to the in game sights. Though I would love to have some sort of crosshairs when I have my riot shield up so I can confidently switch to a pistol or toss a knife without waiting for the crosshairs to come up. But meh, I'll get used to it. I've done okay so far.

[Aphoristic]

EMP disables... Killstreaks, ability to call in killstreaks, RDS, Holo, ACOG, Thermal, Javelin (but not Stingers).

Oh and Pave Lows and Sentries are glitched. The Sentry seems to count when it wants to? I'm not sure, but the Pave Low is backwards and only counts when it comes from a crate and not when you call it normally. Everythign else is normal.

[dchoi41]

Nov 30, 2009 14:38:58 GMT -5 mannon said:

As for the dot on the tv, that does sound useful, although you should keep in mind that your sights are not always pointed right at the center of the screen. When your gun idles it will actually move around some and I think the kick from getting hit as well as the recoil will also throw off the alignment of your dot.

Personally that would also drive me crazy unless it was a sticker I could take off when not playing MW2. heh I think I'll just stick to the in game sights. Though I would love to have some sort of crosshairs when I have my riot shield up so I can confidently switch to a pistol or toss a knife without waiting for the crosshairs to come up. But meh, I'll get used to it. I've done okay so far.

I use a dry erase marker dot, which I can just wipe off if I need to get rid of it. But idling in MW2 is way down from CoD4, except when using ACOGs, which you can't even quick scope with anymore, or the AK47, but overall it works very well for me.

That split second you get from knowing exactly where your ADS point is while you're raising it can make all the difference in face to face confrontations.

[qupie]

is it the same for every gun then? even with and without Red dot?

[dchoi41]

I've used the same dot for every gun in CoD4 and MW2, with irons or dot sights. It's basically the dead center of the screen, so it probably works for a lot of other FPS games. It's not reliable when guns idle away a la CoD4's M4, or sniper rifles and ACOGs and stuff, but you can just ignore the dot in those cases.

In CoD4, the ACOG always came up centered and then idled from there, so if you practiced the timing, you could always hit (i.e. with the M40 for a one hit kill). In MW2, though, it seems like the ACOG idling is always going, so it's well off point by the time you raise it. Combined with the reverse grip effect beating the dead horse that is precision, I only use ACOGs to get to thermal.

[mannon]

Yeah I've shot many a foo before my sights were scoped both with acog and thermal. I've noticed that the snap happens as soon as you start to sight, well before the animation finishes and you actually have your sights. Though the snap to target is cut way down in MP so it's not exactly reliable.

I'm curious about when exactly it switches from cone fire to precision fire. I know it snaps onto my target before the sights are up, but is it still using the hip fire cone or is it actually precise already, just without being able to see the sights yet?

At a guess from my own experience I'd say the latter, but I think for game balance it prolly really should be the former. Either way it's useful information.

BTW just because I don't see it mentioned heartbeat sensors are also deactivated by EMP. I got EMPed tonight.

Even lose most of the damn hud...