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Post by qupie on Nov 21, 2009 6:59:16 GMT -5
Title says it all I guess....
I prefer the AC, but only had a chopper gunner like 3 times. Allot of peaple are font of the chopper, but I really dont know why.... so what do you like more and why?
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Post by individual on Nov 21, 2009 10:42:36 GMT -5
Both: -Have roughly the same amount of basic defense (2 sets of flares, one direct hit with a stinger\javelin will take it out, but it'll probably take at least 2 AT4s\RPGs)
AC130: -Harder to shoot down basic it's higher up and can't take bullet damage -Only lasts 30 seconds -3 guns, including a big one that can be devastating -Top down view
Chopper Gunner -Seems to last a bit longer than the AC130, but maybe I'm wrong -Hovers around the map, allowing you to shoot people in buildings where an AC130 couldn't -In my experience, has the potential to do more damage than the AC130 because of the previous two factors, but not always... It really depends on how much cover the enemy has an how close together they are.
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Post by individual on Nov 21, 2009 10:43:48 GMT -5
Oh, and I prefer the Chopper Gunner, but the AC130 is more fun to use because of that big gun.
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Post by imrlybord7 on Nov 21, 2009 12:43:39 GMT -5
Chopper gunner is way better unless you are up against a good team that actually uses launchers.
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Post by kilo on Nov 21, 2009 13:22:35 GMT -5
Chopper gunner is riskier but more devestating. Ac-130 has less potential but is more consistent
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Post by toysrme on Nov 21, 2009 13:56:09 GMT -5
chopper gunner kills faster & lasts longer. there is no reload on chopper gunner... Even hot-swapping the ac130u, aiming via my mouse & shooting at slightly slowed down dumb console players, you can't roll kills unendingly. you need to be adept with the 20mm.
the potential is double the kills with chopper gunner and it only increases on more open maps. a ground war chopper gunner will lead to a nuke probably 50% of the calls on console *if* you can get there and stay safe.
the risk is that chopper gunner will not stack when someone else calls a heli VS ac130 will roll in with air support called (but not 2, limit of 2.)
AC130u is better on maps like terminal or fav where you can use the 105/40mm splash inside windows, alleyways & doorways.
now... VS a team full of pros, you can argue the ac130u is harder to shoot down. being totally honest here... some of the maps are so wide open spawns to CG that you can still outrun an ac130u's killstreak before they swap classes/OMAP & shoot you down.
its hard to shoot down something you have to expose yourself to human controled fire!
unless its a cramped map CG > ac130u. (the exception here is if they're spawning at a spawn the CG will hover. if you get a spawn hover game on!)
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Post by toysrme on Nov 21, 2009 13:57:25 GMT -5
105mm is awesome, but its the 40mm bofors that racks up your kills! hot swap while reloading, always!
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Post by noscreenname on Nov 21, 2009 14:24:31 GMT -5
I have been switching back and forth and I almost always get more with chopper gunner but the Ac-130 is much more fun.
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Post by cptmacmillan on Nov 21, 2009 19:37:51 GMT -5
When you aren't playing against noobs, the AC130 is a superior choice. Why? It has 2 sets of flares and is completely immune to bullets, whereas the Apache/Cobra are the same as a Pavelow in terms of survivability - one flare, 1500 hp. The end result here is that while an Apache theoretically lasts longer, in reality it does not last anywhere near it's full time. By the time an AC130 is shot down, it's typically near the end of it's time anyways.
Even as far as firepower goes, the AC130 isn't really behind the Apache. It does take more skill however, because you have to lead your targets, especially with the 25mm. But whereas the Apache gets infinite shots, it takes around 2 seconds or so for it to actually kill because it takes 2-3 hits. All of the AC130s weapons are instant kill and with 2 of them have good splash. You could argue the delay between the rounds being fired and when they hit the ground makes it not an instant kill, however the difference here is that after you fire at a target you can fire at other targets unlike the Apache who must stick on the same target.
All in all, I'd put the AC130 just ahead of the chopper, but they are still pretty equal.
Oh, another thing. Game mode is probably the deciding factor between which to use. In FFA, the ac130 can't get double/triple/etc kills like it can in team games, and it's much harder for people to shoot at you without being killed by others. In SnD, the chopper would again be better because significantly less people pack anti-vehicle weapons. Everywhere else I'd say the AC130 has the advantage.
And another totally random thing. You can hit Apaches with predator missiles and ac130s which is entertaining.
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Post by toysrme on Nov 22, 2009 16:13:44 GMT -5
5 min ago i just nuked our first gamebattles game via chopper gunner. the team was above average. they had no trouble killing our 4 weakest players (i was #2 strongest, strongest is quicker than i am, but i got a streak so he let me roll with it)
CG FTMFW
not claiming im the expert but i play on console with a mouse (which means i aim hyper fast, still ahve auto-aim turned on & am shooting at slower moving targets than PC. so relative to the competition, im fast & accurate)
hotswapping an AC130 over a spawn still wont kill faster than CG can. CG you wind up popping the same 4-6 players on a team as they spawn ad infinum. people make a big deal about being shot down, but ive yet to be shot down. its easy, you kill the spawning players. they cant swap weapons fast enough to get off the killing rocket shot.
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Post by killeraslox on Nov 23, 2009 13:02:13 GMT -5
Chopper Gunner: + 1 Minute, 20 seconds + Rapid fire! + More Accurate
- Only one Counter-Flare. - Close to the ground
AC-130: + Kaboom! + Two Counter-Flares + Flies high
- 40 Seconds - Reloading time - Longer time for bullets to reach the ground
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Post by cptmacmillan on Nov 28, 2009 15:17:59 GMT -5
One shot can wipe out 4+ spawning players from the Howitzer. Then for the next 5 seconds you can fire off a shot a second from the Bofors where each one can and probably will kill a player, and then switch back to the howitzer and nuke a spawn again. If you can get a bunch of people spawning in one area I'd say the ac130 definitely has the advantage because it kills groups far quicker via explosions.
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Post by qupie on Nov 29, 2009 10:33:55 GMT -5
and more and more ppl are shooting down chopper gunners nowadays... (im one of them, it is just cold blood + 2x stinger )
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Post by mw0swedeking on Nov 29, 2009 15:42:42 GMT -5
AC130 is better vs. cold blooded due to splash damage, you can kill someone you didn't even know was there. And then they spawn next to their mentally disadvantaged teammates who havent switched to coldblooded, and then they get splash killed again and again!!! I hate my teammates. They don't use cold blooded, they don't shoot anything down, they don't use UAV (way better than predator missile IMO)...
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Post by bradqqqqq on Nov 29, 2009 23:17:33 GMT -5
AC130 is better vs. cold blooded due to splash damage, you can kill someone you didn't even know was there. And then they spawn next to their mentally disadvantaged teammates who havent switched to coldblooded, and then they get splash killed again and again!!! I hate my teammates. They don't use cold blooded, they don't shoot anything down, they don't use UAV (way better than predator missile IMO)... With the chopper gunner you just spray their spawn and you kill most of the cold blooded people. "Team of pros" has been brought up a few times and I really dont think it would matter if they are indeed "pros".
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Post by chyros on Dec 2, 2009 20:07:44 GMT -5
The AC-130 is so well-protected and has such a short time in the game that most of the time it'll live out its life, but the chopper gunner can get in waaaay more kills. CG can get you across the 25 streak mark easily if it's not shot down ASAP.
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Post by dumdumpop on Dec 3, 2009 0:47:36 GMT -5
I chose AC130 against people actually smart enough to take air support down. I chose CG for idiots.
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