MW2 ROF, Reload<s>, ADS & Input Lag Testing

[toysrme]

Thanks go out to the gorgeous mISSStress off xbl for the testing.
Pre-emptively addressing this... I am NOT giving out the videos, nor putting them anywhere. Quite simply its not worth my time to re-encode & upload them to see....


Testing was done on on highrise inside looking at the nearest wall (0 polygon countminus gun/arms) on xbox 360, recording a VGA CRT monitor @ 120fps. Also, at the same time recorded the composite input @ 30fps to "double check" afew of them for relative accuracy. These will not be 100% correct per game files, but this IS effectively what we are playing with...

Input lag, like COD4 for the primary[/u] inputs (that ONLY means view-look/aiming & SHOOT) is no more than 3 frames / 25ms. The responce is equally fast as any PC game you care to test lawlz. (as in, absolutely bare minimum input lag). other controls lag more.

this was done editing / frame counting between bookmarking the frame before the event is displayed to the last frame displayed (MUCH easier this way, as no guessing after the last shot/reload/ads when an even stops, same result either way, just a different & easier order)

RPM = (capacity / (last shot time stamp - first shot time stamp))*60
Reload Time = time of first frame RELOAD dissipears after emptying a clip - time of first shot of the next clip shown
ADS Time = time of frame before movement starts - time of frame after movement stops (this is because the gun continues to settle once shouldered & is easier to determine the end / "finish" point when the gun has settled. snipers are time to from hip-fire to first FULL frame showing scope)


When looking for the start of an event, if the frame captured is changing, the proceeding frame will be considered the first frame. when looking at the end of an event, the first updated frame (in any way) is considered the end of the event.

I AM missing some things/catigories. Dont really care, it's 3:06am. (finished @ 3:42am) I also prestiged so I have no access to the majority of things in the game.

rds/HS = regular ADS time.
ACOG = increase to 0.44s ADS time.

Weapon -> RPM -> Reload Add Time -> Full Empty Reload -> ADS Time

AR:[/u]
M16* - 468.75 1.12 2.447 .28
Famas* - 428.67 2.2 2.6 .28
ACR - 737.7 1.12 2.365 .28
M4 - 725.8 1.12 2.4 .28
F2000 - 900 2.08 3.464 .28
SCAR - 566 1.8 2.72 .28
TAR - 725.8 1.72 3.094 .28
AK47 - 634.24 1.8 3.305 .28
FAIL - 508.47 1.84 3.381 .28

*I was right in my original impressions post
M16 delay between burst = .28, FAMAS = .32, M16 fires SLOWER, but the AVERAGE fire rate is higher because of the shortened burst delay!
(Never argue time drummer )

AR Shotgun (tested FAMAS & M16, same results)[/u]
96.77419355 2.8s (1 round relaod & fire) 4.76 full reload 0.8s to swap to/from regular AR & shotgun


SMG[/u]
MP5K - 818.181818 1.8 3.08 .24
P90 - 914.63 1.8 3.6 .25
UMP - 600 2.04 3.12 .24
UZI - 923.07 2.24 3.56 .24


LMG[/u]
L86 -
RPD - 627.62 7.2 9.744 .44
Styer - 617.65 2.44 4.047 .44
M240 - 898.34 5.04 7.823 .44


Sniper*[/u]
.50 cal - 625 2.6 4.086 .44
Intervention - 76.53 .092 1.966 .44
WA2K - 642.86 2.56 3.984 .44
M21 - 681.82 2.08 3.704 .44

*note
Hip-fire speed is shown, however I GREATLY feel that the scoped shot speed is limited lower than the hip-fire speed. There is a pause several frames long introduced after the first shot that isn't there on hip-fire. It makes getting an accurate ROF scoped difficult...

MP[/u]
G18 - 818.182 1.88 2.835 .2
Raffie* - 454.55 1.28 2.02 .2
TMP - 865.38 1.4 3.03 .2
PP2K - 833.333 1.2 2.539 .2

*Burst delay on the raffie is .32


Pistols*[/u]
USP - 486.487 1.36 2.319
M9 - 500 1.24 1.966
MAGNUM - 529.41 1.48 3.074
DE - 477.27 1.48 2.165

*note
Unable to determine ADS speed. Split halfzies .16/.2 so... fast...


Shottiepies*[/u]
M1014 - 300 1.4 9.096 .2
M1887 - 47.2973 N/A 7.88 .2
Ranger - 1500! 1.56 2.633 .2
Striker - 300 1.68 N/A .2
AA12 - 387.01 2.04 3.6 .2

*note
AA12 & Ranger's fast reload time is normal, all others are time to add & fire 1 round.
Im also really tired & forgot to get the videos of some...


Launchers[/u]
Thumper - 31.33 .4 2.28

*note
Thumper's fast reload is showing the "pre fire delay" it incures while zooming to fire.

[qupie]

lol nevermind

mayb somebody could make a table of it? I dont get the tables in this forum...

btw, in your numbers the ACR shoots faster then the ACR, are you sure of this? Doesn't seem right to me...

[jlesaistu]

ARC shooting faster than m4? kind of weird

sure, my time was only hand tested with a chronometers, but did the test 4 time for both gun with average and m4 had a RoF advantage.

Maybe you just switched out both gun when writing down your data by accident?

[jlesaistu]

but for sure, your method is more accurate than mine, going to correct my data!

[toysrme]

re-videoed them. im sure, numbers change slightly every time re-record them, but the same result. acr shoots slightly faster than the m4.

tested 3 clips on both. every clip on the acr shoots a hair faster. i think the audio track is what throws people off.





btw one thing is clear. the M16, famas & raffie are hillarious to watch frame by frame. the game doesn't draw the burst on the gun. it like... shoots one bullet normal, skips the second then plays what looks like the last half of the recoil animation on the gun.
little bit lazy their IW?

[hambone34]

Can you test the vector please? I want to complete my table. Thanks

[ice597]

Nov 22, 2009 13:29:05 GMT -5 toysrme said:

re-videoed them. im sure, numbers change slightly every time re-record them, but the same result. acr shoots slightly faster than the m4.

tested 3 clips on both. every clip on the acr shoots a hair faster. i think the audio track is what throws people off.



btw one thing is clear. the M16, famas & raffie are hillarious to watch frame by frame. the game doesn't draw the burst on the gun. it like... shoots one bullet normal, skips the second then plays what looks like the last half of the recoil animation on the gun.
little bit lazy their IW?

no wonder in the game winning killcam (when it gets close to the killshot it goes slow-mo) it always appeared to me the m16 famas and raffie only had a two shot burst instead of the said three.

[chyros]

Dec 1, 2009 18:20:14 GMT -5 ice597 said:

Nov 22, 2009 13:29:05 GMT -5 toysrme said:

re-videoed them. im sure, numbers change slightly every time re-record them, but the same result. acr shoots slightly faster than the m4.

tested 3 clips on both. every clip on the acr shoots a hair faster. i think the audio track is what throws people off.



btw one thing is clear. the M16, famas & raffie are hillarious to watch frame by frame. the game doesn't draw the burst on the gun. it like... shoots one bullet normal, skips the second then plays what looks like the last half of the recoil animation on the gun.
little bit lazy their IW?

no wonder in the game winning killcam (when it gets close to the killshot it goes slow-mo) it always appeared to me the m16 famas and raffie only had a two shot burst instead of the said three.

Correct. The killcam seems to have a rate of fire cap on it. All rapid-firing weapons seem like they actually fire at about 600 RPM.

[imrlybord7]

toys, I think you have some corrections to make.

[eLantern]

So with this testing method... could you also test the speed at which weapons swap between primary and secondary? That way you could find out if individual weapons have specific swap speeds or whether they're just based off of their classes (AR, SMG, LMG, Sniper, MP, Pistol, Shotty, Launcher).

[n1gh7]

at some point in the future I plan on getting the true ROFs, for all the guns whcih I will share. If people can get together using the stun method and test out all the true weapon damages we can at least make a crude chart of true damages and ROFs. Maybe I'll look into the reload and ADS times (however I think that toys got those right.)

[toysrme]

Ya couple things i questions.
Ive been so laggy for about 2 weeks now (Charter changed their major backbone routing out of my area yet again...) ive been mostly unplayable.
Plus I pretty well got sick of MW2 anyway. I only had like 288,000 people watch my livestream b4 the game came out like 6-10 hours straight every day LoL!


I asked before for help and noone helped out so... Yalls bad.
Im 45 now and not playing much, if I hit 70 again Ill go work on it again.

[rubbrband99]

does anyone have any info on the draw speeds of weapons? the raffica seems to draw faster than some of the other machine pistols. this would make sense considering it is more like pistol size. this is a pretty big deal in selecting a secondary weapon to back up a sniper rifle.

[toysrme]

added to the list of things ill look at when i have a chance.
(lvl 70 btw)

from me, itll all have to wait until after christmass. mothers bladder cancer required a radical cystectomy (remove entire bladder, pelvic lympth nodes & full hysterectomy & Urostomy (remove some small intestine to create new ileal conduits to collect urine ina pouch))
surgery went swimmingly(12/14), unfortunately care afterwards was appauling & she's got 3 viruses causing double pneumonia and about died 2 days ago from blood clotting.








unless someone else does it im still going to get to it. just might be 2 weeks+ before can play with it any.

[KingVaroon]

Very sorry to hear about your loss. May her soul rest in peace

[mannon]

She's not dead yet, she "about died". I hope she rebounds and recovers quickly.

[KingVaroon]

Oh sorry about that, i misread the post. I hope she recovers quickly as well.

[toysrme]

np