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Post by mannon on Dec 14, 2009 8:13:19 GMT -5
Could someone mebbe do some testing to see how OMA and Hardline interact?
For example just take:
3 kills - UAV
4 kills - Care Package
5 kills - Predator Missile
Try getting 3 kills without Hardline then switch to a class with Hardline. Do you get Care Package right away?
Get one more kill. If you didn't get Care Package before did you get it now? If you did not get Care Package yet do you get it if you switch Hardline off and back on again? Did you get your Predator Missile?
If you still did not get one of your KS rewards what happens when you get yet another kill? Again if you still don't get the missing KS does anything happen if you switch Hardline off and on?
I'm a little concerned that depending upon how it's coded you could potentially lose a KS reward if you switch Hardline on at the wrong time. Hopefully it will not do that, however.
Also test if you start with Hardline but switch to another class. Considering that starting with OMA and then switching off of it still counts your kills towards getting OMA:Pro I would be interested to see whether or not starting with Hardline will continue to give you the 1 less kill per KS if you switch to a class without it. Obviously if you could have the effects of Hardline and SP or CP, well that would be very powerful.
It should be easy to test, and the effects may be well know to those that have OMA, but I don't have it yet.
Thanks
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Post by Den on Dec 14, 2009 8:30:16 GMT -5
Killed three dudes.
Got a UAV.
Switched to Hardline.
Used UAV.
Killed one dude.
Got a Predator Missile.
Used Predator Missile.
See that I also have Counter-UAV.
Got both the 4 and 5 killstreak with one kill.
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Post by mannon on Dec 14, 2009 8:58:39 GMT -5
Ahhhh good.
So it only awards KS rewards when you get a kill, but as long as you have greater than or equal to the right number of kills you get it. Hence 4th kill got you both the Counter-UAV and the Predator Missile... though from the sounds of it the game didn't announce that you got the Counter-UAV.
At a guess I'd say that if you can switch Hardline on like this then starting with it and switching will indeed turn it off.
Sounds like it would be pretty useful, though. You could start off with it just to get a quick UAV then turn it off to use CB or SP or something, then when you're 2 kills away from a harrier or something switch it back on. hmm... Mebbe pop your UAV, switch it on, get one kill, hide and use your harrier, getting some kills from the strike due to UAV, plus the harrier guns down some people to get you to 10 kills for an Apache or AC130, then swap to Danger Close Pro (or even use it on Harrier) and lay waste. When your done it's back to SP or CB...
feh... I want OMA! ;p Of course that also would require getting to 6 kills on my own, but lots of people do that. Me, not so much. ;p
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Post by spifnar on Dec 14, 2009 15:09:05 GMT -5
But is it really worth trying to get a run with OMA (and no secondary weapon) for a bunch of kills? I rely on my secondary for so much
Sure it can work for anyone already using OMA for claymores/C4/ammo/etc:
Get 3 kills and switch to hardline, to get predator next kill
Or switch to hardline at 5 kills, after you get a pred...to get an almost guaranteed 1-kill harrier
Off topic: does switching kits with OMA change your look, or can you start OMA sniper then switch to something else and keep the ghillie?
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Post by ecomni on Dec 14, 2009 15:23:43 GMT -5
But is it really worth trying to get a run with OMA (and no secondary weapon) for a bunch of kills? Yes. Yes. |
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Post by mannon on Dec 14, 2009 15:47:56 GMT -5
I practically never use secondaries other than launchers, but then I'm a crap sniper. I have literally not unlocked a single thing on any secondary weapons. ;p
I'm trying to work on my Magnum, but even when I stick it on a class I just don't use it and wind up switching back to launchers. I'm starting to get a little use, but only when I go shield. ;p
I guess shotguns have their place for that 0 TTK at close range, but you're practically in knife range then and unless I'm up against a shotgun my TTK is usually as good as the other guy's. But then I'm just not a big shotgunner aside from a short spree in Halo1 where I could pwn small maps with it.
Terminators don't count, though. They aren't shotguns, they are the hand of God in the form of a boom stick. Even a riot shield doesn't help much since they are so likely to hit some barely exposed part of you, unlike AR's and such that you have to actually aim at exposed parts. Plus once the guy with the terminators kills you he'll just drop his SMG or Sniper rifle for your shield and keep it on his back with no speed penalty and thanks for the free defense upgrade for your trouble.
OMA sounds pretty tight to me. I'll probably become an avid user once I get it.
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Post by mannon on Dec 14, 2009 15:50:16 GMT -5
It also gives me some motivation to actually prestige more than once... some... Though without double exp I'm loath to do the whole grind over again. I guess after I get to level 70 the second time I'll know for sure whether or not the grind is worthwhile. The first grind to 70 is not going so fast, though, heh.
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Post by nyhteshade on Dec 14, 2009 16:45:38 GMT -5
Can we get a Den pic of an angry stun grenade beating some guy dangling off a fence?
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Post by spifnar on Dec 14, 2009 16:45:42 GMT -5
I practically never use secondaries other than launchers, but then I'm a crap sniper. I have literally not unlocked a single thing on any secondary weapons. ;p After prestige, oddly enough, my kill ratio got significantly better. Might be coincidence or funky matching code...but it might be the fact that I conciously worked on weapon switching to my MPs any time there was a chance of close quarters combat. And keeping in mind whether to ADS with that MP or just hipfire. I basically went to 25 (the annoying pre CB levels) with 3 loadouts: Barrett, MP silenced and marathon, SP, steady M4+silencer, MP silenced and marathon, lightweight, steady Scar+toob, MP silenced and marathon, SP, steady MPs really are *far* better at quick ADS or hip shooting kills within their max damage range. It's unfair to all the AR-only fools. |
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Post by ilikev8 on Dec 14, 2009 18:28:59 GMT -5
But is it really worth trying to get a run with OMA (and no secondary weapon) for a bunch of kills? I rely on my secondary for so much Sure it can work for anyone already using OMA for claymores/C4/ammo/etc: Get 3 kills and switch to hardline, to get predator next kill Or switch to hardline at 5 kills, after you get a pred...to get an almost guaranteed 1-kill harrier Off topic: does switching kits with OMA change your look, or can you start OMA sniper then switch to something else and keep the ghillie? Secondary isn't needed if you have an automatic weapon, and an Assault Rifle with a grenade launcher attached with UNLIMITED ammunition AND grenades is far better than any secondary I can think of. |
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Post by mannon on Dec 14, 2009 19:14:54 GMT -5
I have found as I was using the skill tubes to unlock shotgun challenges that I actually rather enjoy using them for CQC. There's nothing quite like running around a corner headlong into some guy that thinks he's about to knife you and then *phong!* 0TTK. ;p Of course you won't get any double kills with a direct impact, but it's still fun. I suppose a shotgun would be as effective and a little easier to aim, but would lack the longer range explosive versatility and takes up secondary, which a skill tube does not. Masterkey might do for HC, but I think it wouldn't be a 1HK enough in core, if it's even capable of that at anything outside point blank. Still might do in a pinch, but then if you're OMAing ammo skill tube FTW. Hell just toss flashbangs/stuns in random windows and if you get a hit marker skill tube it and toss semtex, then reload, I mean OMA. ;p
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Post by mannon on Dec 14, 2009 19:19:23 GMT -5
OMA almost feels like an exploit due to it's versatility. It's no wonder it takes your secondary slot away as well to balance it, though, I'm not too sure that's enough. Still though I don't think it's OP, just versatile as hell.
Plus it means you can't use Terminators unless you pickup somebody else's. OMA plus Terminators and a shield on the back, with SMG speed... now that would be OP! ;p
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Post by ssog on Dec 14, 2009 20:22:47 GMT -5
OMA almost feels like an exploit due to it's versatility. It's no wonder it takes your secondary slot away as well to balance it, though, I'm not too sure that's enough. Still though I don't think it's OP, just versatile as hell. Plus it means you can't use Terminators unless you pickup somebody else's. OMA plus Terminators and a shield on the back, with SMG speed... now that would be OP! ;p How to use OMA to get Terminators and a shield on the back with SMG speed in 5 easy steps: Class #1- Riot Shield, OMA Class #2- SMG, Terminators Step 1- find corpse. Step 2- drop your shield and pick up the corpse's weapon. Step 3- OMA to class #2 Step 4- drop your SMG to pick up the Riot Shield Step 5- switch to your Terminators |
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Post by imrlybord7 on Dec 14, 2009 22:30:35 GMT -5
ssog, that's genius. Seriously.
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Post by ssog on Dec 15, 2009 2:39:47 GMT -5
ssog, that's genius. Seriously. It's even cooler if you replace the SMG in class #2 with a Sniper Rifle. There is literally nothing cooler in the entire universe than a guy with a Riot Shield and a Ghillie Suit. It's like he's screaming "Nanny nanny you can't see me (but just in case you can I have this giant bulky obvious shield right hyah to protect me!). I'm at once invisible and invincible. I'm invisincible!" |
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Post by mannon on Dec 15, 2009 4:22:08 GMT -5
lol
I figured somebody would mention that as I wrote it, but thought I'd leave it to you guys. The only thing is you can't still have OMA on your Terminators class as they are secondary weapons, and you can't swap them in like the shield because you need both slots to have a shield on your back. But still, yeah... That's completely nuts. heh
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Post by ecomni on Dec 15, 2009 13:04:18 GMT -5
OMA almost feels like an exploit due to it's versatility. Indeed. I'm trying to move to objective games other than Domination, and OMA is just great for choosing your role. Played Demolition on offense with my "offensive tube" class (M203 w/ C4). Clear out the bomb site, switch to my Riot Shield class w/ smokes and claymores, plant the bomb, and camp. It was so simple and so effective. So many possibilities to try out. Also, regarding the original topic, I'm currently using Predator/Precision/Harrier. When I get 5 kills on my Danger Close Pro OMA class, I switch to the Hardline OMA class and call the missile to get one kill. I now have a precision strike and a harrier strike. Switch back to Danger Close Pro class and call the strikes whenever. Works out pretty well. |
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Post by Lexapro on Dec 15, 2009 18:53:54 GMT -5
OMA: All the benefits of dying, without actually doing so.
On the other hand, resetting killstreaks can sometimes be a good thing...
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Post by mannon on Dec 15, 2009 20:38:35 GMT -5
OMA: All the benefits of dying, without actually doing so. On the other hand, resetting killstreaks can sometimes be a good thing... That's actually true. Once you've gotten all your kill streaks you might actually get more kills in the match if you die so you can get new ones. I think I'd prefer it if you got to start kill streaking from scratch after you got the last one. You should be rewarded for surviving rather than dying. |
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Post by ssog on Dec 16, 2009 3:08:57 GMT -5
That's actually true. Once you've gotten all your kill streaks you might actually get more kills in the match if you die so you can get new ones. I think I'd prefer it if you got to start kill streaking from scratch after you got the last one. You should be rewarded for surviving rather than dying. It'd be fun, but it'd get out of hand in a hurry. A decent Chopper Gunner run would wind up getting the person a second Chopper Gunner. A guy could go Harrier / Pave Low / Chopper Gunner or Harrier / Stealth Bomber / Chopper Gunner and just constantly chain them without ever leaving his hiding place. |
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Post by mannon on Dec 16, 2009 7:50:17 GMT -5
You would have to prevent one kill streak's rewards from building the next one which is currently done by forcing the player to die to start the next streak, which sets all the KS rewards to no longer build.
*snict*
Self censoring... I just saved you from a long rambling hypothetical debate I had with myself on how to make resetting KS rewards work without dying. You can thank me later.
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Post by imrlybord7 on Dec 16, 2009 8:36:39 GMT -5
You're welcome?
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Post by s2k on Dec 17, 2009 4:38:00 GMT -5
How to use OMA to get Terminators and a shield on the back with SMG speed in 5 easy steps: Class #1- Riot Shield, OMA Class #2- SMG, Terminators Step 1- find corpse. Step 2- drop your shield and pick up the corpse's weapon. Step 3- OMA to class #2 Step 4- drop your SMG to pick up the Riot Shield Step 5- switch to your Terminators Or: Class #1 - OMA - anything you want Class #2 - not OMA - Riot Shield, terminators Step 1- OMA to class #2 Step 2 - no step 2 Are U sure you keep the advantage of SMG speed when you switch it? By the way it's my first post, so you're my bro, bro. |
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Post by mannon on Dec 17, 2009 5:29:04 GMT -5
Yes your speed is determined by the Primary Weapon in your class and swapping it out does not change your speed. OMA changing classes does change your speed as well as your weapon.
Also it's on your first thread, not so much your first post. I think Den checks it manually and isn't going to check all posts, but he sees all the threads
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Post by ssog on Dec 17, 2009 21:40:57 GMT -5
Or: Class #1 - OMA - anything you want Class #2 - not OMA - Riot Shield, terminators Step 1- OMA to class #2 Step 2 - no step 2 Are U sure you keep the advantage of SMG speed when you switch it? By the way it's my first post, so you're my bro, bro. Wouldn't work- you'd have to do it my way, or else you'd have Riot Shield movement speed (80% of SMG speed). |
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Post by s2k on Dec 18, 2009 4:44:15 GMT -5
OK, i'll give it a try. Nice information.
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