Dec 4th patch

[didjeridu]

Full notes: battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/news/view/2832654788585875743/

Based on detailed community feedback and data analysis we have made some minor weapon tweaks to recoil and accuracy. The goal of these tweaks, and the overall goal in Battlefield 3, is to give each weapon a unique feel and competitive performance to other weapons of a similar type.

M416: First shot and horizontal recoil slightly increased. This should make the choice between M16 and M416 more interesting again.

L85A2: Slightly reduced horizontal recoil.

AUG: first shot recoil slightly to increase weapon controllability.

FAMAS: Slightly reduced horizontal recoil.

G53: Vertical recoil reduced to make this weapon more controllable.

QBZ-95B: Slightly reduced horizontal recoil.

LSAT: Hip accuracy has been increased to highlight the weapon’s role as a highly mobile LMG.

Type88 LMG: Recoil has been decreased to make it a viable option when compared to the M249.

M5K: Increased horizontal recoil and decreased vertical recoil to focus this weapon as a high damage, low control PDW.

UMP45: Decreased fully automatic fire to differentiate this weapon from the PP2000.

MP412: Increased its accuracy to better distinguish it from the .44 Magnum.

M26: Increased aimed accuracy to be in line with the other shotguns.

Fixed the MTAR’s range not being correctly reduced when equipped with the sound suppressor.

Fixed a bug where suppressive fire had reduced effect on the M16 and M5K when compared with other weapons.

Fixed a bug where the M5K’s Flash Suppressor had no effect on accuracy.

Fixed the L86A2 Heavy Barrel’s hip accuracy penalty being far larger than other weapons.

Fixed an issue with the Mk3 shotgun’s ACOG being low resolution.
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Thoughts? I want to see hard numbers first, but it looks okay.

M416 nerf was necessary. Depending on the new multiplier (especially compared to the new M416 multiplier), I still believe the AUG is subpar. FAMAS needs a reload buff more than a recoil buff, and is still a worse AEK. G53 is still a bad G36. QBZ with HBar probably outclasses the AKS now, but that's not saying much. All the hipfire in the world won't save the LSAT. It's still slow as crap, and the SAW is still a better choice. T88 surprisingly might become usable, but still only in a niche role. Decreased fully automatic fire for UMP? You mean rate of fire? Good thing I unlocked the camo already, because that's horrible. Another REX buff. Not complaining, but imo the 1911 is now too weak in comparison. I never aim the M26, but a fix is a fix I suppose.

Praise almighty for the M16 and L86 fix. I liked using the L86 with the laser, but I like the Hbar more. I almost hate to say it, but the M16 is balanced now. The crying won't stop though.

[I Am Hollywood5]

Idk if the M416 nerf was entirely necessary... but the last buff it got could maybe be considered just a little overboard. Don't care either way, it's a boring weapon to use.

UMP nerf was completely uncalled for. They finally make it useable just to take it away again. It was nice knowing you for a couple months, UMP. Farewell.

REX, L85 and QBZ didn't really need buffs, but i'll take it =)

AUG and FAMAS will still be underpowered. G53 probably too.

good to see the M26 get some love. The M26, LSAT, and Type88 are the only adjustments I think they got 100% right this time.

Idk about the M5K, it had a bug where vertical recoil was multiplied by 0.5x when standing, making it extremely accurate and OP. In crouch and prone, the recoil was the full 5.0 and it was insane. I'm assuming they've fixed the bug and reduced v-recoil to something like 0.4 in all stances. Which seems kinda fair. But knowing dice they probably reduced v-recoil by like 0.02 and increased h-recoil by 1.0 or more

[SheWolf]

the really interesting question is: what gun did they break this time?

[didjeridu]

I'm disappointed that the Russian weapons are still terrible. The majority of weapons that received buffs were still competitive in some way. The AK74, AKS, and SVD are still useless. The AKs are really easy to use, but there are guns that are even easier as well as being overall better. *coughM416cough*

Maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised and an AK gets "broken." I sure did love the AKS when it was broken, aka actually balanced. Also, 200 round RPK was good times.

[mmacola]

SVD useless? Since when? It is as good as the MK11

[didjeridu]

Statistically speaking, the SVD is the worst semi-auto. The QBU is just as bad, but at least it's unique. The SVD is a worse MK11, plain and simple. There's no reason to use it other than looks. I myself love the SVD, especially aesthetically, but that can also come at a price. I'm pretty sure the SVD is longer than the MK11 (possibly the longest semi-auto), which isn't a good thing for a stealthier class. That might be minor or a non-issue to some people, but it's still just another thing that makes it a poor choice. Maybe useless is a harsh word, but when it comes to stats the Russian starter weapons are inferior. You can do well with anything of course. I'm just upset that DICE is pretending they don't exist.

The easiest thing they could do is give the SVD the SV98 treatment; give it better max range, and lower the min damage. None of the semi-autos are going to compete with the M39 at long range anyway, and the M417 is too dominant as a close range power option. The QBU and SKS are a good middle ground, and the SVD could go right in with its own unique flair. Change the recoil too while you're at it. Make it kick left instead, I don't care. Just do something.

[Deleted]

Famas a worse AEK?

Doesn't it have more RPM though? 1000rpm compared to 900rpm off the top of my head I think they are

[didjeridu]

The FAMAS is more of a reload simulator than an actual weapon. The AEK and FAMAS do the same thing, except the FAMAS has more recoil, more spread, and a smaller magazine. If you're ever in a situation where 900 RPM doesn't cut the mustard, then you've made a mistake somewhere.

[SheWolf]

the only upside i see on the famas is that you will win a 1 on 1 vs an aek user on very short distances. but that is that much of a niche that it doesn't compensate for all the shortcomings. aek is, sadly, superior pretty much in any way that matters. which is a shame because i really like the famas.

[bpmachete]

The M40 has a chest multiplier bug? That is the first time I heard of it. What is the bug?

[tiesieman]

it has no chest multiplier, that's the bug


all other snipers do have it so they deal 1.25x damage, a 1 hit kill up close

[didjeridu]

It'd be nice if they left it that way and buffed the rate of fire a bit. The bolts are still too similar in my eyes, and having the M40 be the "weak" option would be fine. Honestly it doesn't seem to fire that much faster to me. Give it a noticeable advantage in firing speed, and with no chest multiplier it would deter bads from abusing it. Keep the ADS spread of course. Maybe adjust the first person view as well, because it's just terrible with the 8x.