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Post by slashdolo on Dec 16, 2009 9:42:18 GMT -5
FAMAS with Thermal and Silencer Bling Pro Stopping Power Pro Steady Aim Pro I used this setup and was amazed at how good it is. Better than any sniper setup I have used, silenced or unsilenced. It never takes more than two bursts to kill, and hitting two consecutive bursts is not only very fast, but very easy with the 3 bullet spread. Plus, you get much, much better hipfire than with the snipers. ARs are so good in this game.
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Post by chip sandwich on Dec 16, 2009 10:07:01 GMT -5
IMO the only sniper worth silencing is the M21EBR. Also, the silenced SCAR is pretty freakin' sweet.
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Post by ssog on Dec 16, 2009 18:37:09 GMT -5
FAMAS with Thermal and Silencer Bling Pro Stopping Power Pro Steady Aim Pro I used this setup and was amazed at how good it is. Better than any sniper setup I have used, silenced or unsilenced. It never takes more than two bursts to kill, and hitting two consecutive bursts is not only very fast, but very easy with the 3 bullet spread. Plus, you get much, much better hipfire than with the snipers. ARs are so good in this game. 1. A Silenced/Thermal ACR is even better than a Silenced/Thermal FAM16. 2. A silenced M21 kills in two shots (which is faster than two bursts) and doesn't force you to take Bling as your perk1 in order to get a nifty little scope. 3. With Terminators available as a secondary, the AR's hip-fire advantage is sort of moot, anyway. Silenced Snipers > Silenced Scoped Burst-fire ARs
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Post by slashdolo on Dec 16, 2009 20:21:14 GMT -5
That's your opinion. But I can safely say, its much easier landing at least part of a 3 round burst at a time than landing 1.
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Post by ssog on Dec 16, 2009 21:09:36 GMT -5
That's your opinion. But I can safely say, its much easier landing at least part of a 3 round burst at a time than landing 1. And I can safely say that killing in one burst (M21) is better than killing in 2 bursts (FAM16). And getting a scope and a silencer without using Bling is better than being forced to use Bling.
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Post by mannon on Dec 17, 2009 6:16:14 GMT -5
I'm personally a fan of the Silencer+Thermal FAM16. You get a lot of 1 burst kills and getting just one bullet on target after you got a 2 hit burst is not difficult at all. I find the weapon much easier to manage than an actual sniper rifle, as I am generally a crummy sniper, but I do well with this. I don't have an ACR yet. It would be slower within the easy 1 burst kill range, but better outside of it and you can drop SP and only have to worry about landing 1 more bullet rather than waiting a whole other burst.
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Post by cptmacmillan on Dec 17, 2009 6:21:48 GMT -5
While you're busy taking two bursts to kill someone, I'll be busy having a ttk of zero! I even get to have SoH so I can scope in quicker than you, increasing my actual ttk (scope in + aim + time shooting takes to kill) even further, while getting an extra benefit of quicker reloads.
You suck at sniping. That is the only explanation.
The WA2000 is as well, depending on what you want to do. With SP WA2000 you can have a silenced weapon and still kill in one shot often. With an M21 you can go cold-blooded and achieve a higher level of stealth + a higher magazine/ammocap to go with requiring 2 shots.
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Post by mannon on Dec 17, 2009 6:24:05 GMT -5
I think that part of the trick of the FAM16 is that so long as you can get the whole burst to hit (which is the norm rather than exception) they work almost more like a 120-90 semi auto with a low ROF.
The ACR on the other hand is apparently a laser, just put the sights on target and hold the trigger down until done. I wants one! I think the ACR and M16 should have been swapped so we get the ACR sooner, I already have a FAMAS, I don't need an M16.
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Post by cptmacmillan on Dec 17, 2009 6:35:47 GMT -5
I'm curious as to how much kick a Thermal would add to the ACR, the acog doesn't add much.
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Post by mannon on Dec 17, 2009 7:04:32 GMT -5
Not much I'd think... I plan to enjoy the ACR when I gets me one, though I usually prefer high damage.
Probably the idle will be more of a pain on the ACR+Thermal than the recoil. ;p
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Post by toad on Dec 17, 2009 7:54:02 GMT -5
If you steady the thermal scope, (on an AR) will you get a tighter burst than compared to the ACOG?
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Post by mannon on Dec 17, 2009 8:27:42 GMT -5
Holding your breath basically cuts Idle to zero for a limited time. I couldn't tell you how the recoil compares, though with an ACR the recoil is so low already that it just doesn't have much to multiply. I would think that thermal sniping with the ACR works pretty well, though.
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Post by cptmacmillan on Dec 17, 2009 9:07:01 GMT -5
Yeah, I've tried Grip+Thermal on both AUG and MG4 and they work great. ACR has even less recoil than either of those gripped normally, although it'll only be doing 20 (or 28) damage at Thermal range.
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Post by toad on Dec 17, 2009 11:03:27 GMT -5
I'm going to assume for the time being that it only steadies the rifle. So if the ACOG, like when using it with the FAMAS, has no sway, there's no benifit as far as recoil is concerned.
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Post by chip sandwich on Dec 18, 2009 3:25:15 GMT -5
The WA2000 is as well, depending on what you want to do. With SP WA2000 you can have a silenced weapon and still kill in one shot often. With an M21 you can go cold-blooded and achieve a higher level of stealth + a higher magazine/ammocap to go with requiring 2 shots. Just realized that yesterday , it's become my favorite sniper
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Post by slashdolo on Dec 18, 2009 4:31:03 GMT -5
You suck at sniping. That is the only explanation. I'm not too shabby at sniping. But wouldn't that mean the FAMAS with Thermal/Silencer is indeed better if its easier for me? Yes it would. When I used it, I rarely had to use two bursts even at extreme ranges. The thing is an absolute monster and you don't have to depend on the crappy multiplier locations like you do with snipers. Shoot anywhere you want; arms, legs, toes, wherever.
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Post by toysrme on Dec 19, 2009 15:32:56 GMT -5
ya, really the only good way to silence snipe in CORE is to cheat & run a burst firing script/macro with enough anti-recoil dialed in to keep the sight on target.
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Post by mannon on Dec 19, 2009 17:32:26 GMT -5
Which is basically just turning a sniper rifle into a FAMAS with crap hipfire and more damage. ;p
Okay that's an oversimplification, but still. It's making the sniper rifle more like a FAMAS.
I greatly enjoy thermal/silencer for Wasteland, but outside that map I usually don't want the thermal.. usually. But then I don't usually snipe or camp much, though I'm not a run and gunner either.
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Post by imrlybord7 on Dec 19, 2009 22:19:58 GMT -5
ya, really the only good way to silence snipe in CORE is to cheat & run a burst firing script/macro with enough anti-recoil dialed in to keep the sight on target. I'm going to strongly disagree with this. WA2000 + Silencer + Stopping Power or M21 + Silencer + ACOG + Cold Blooded The latter is a great rifleman class. You could take off the ACOG, but I do better with the ACOG for the easier 2 shot and medium range combat.
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Post by cptmacmillan on Dec 19, 2009 22:27:30 GMT -5
I'm going to go ahead and say that you suck at sniping too. You being bad =/= sniper rifles being bad. Sorry.
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Post by slashdolo on Dec 20, 2009 0:26:08 GMT -5
Gotta love the "you suck" arguments. Pure wit and intelligence.
The next time someone says they like bananas more than oranges, I'm just gonna say they suck at eating oranges.
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Post by chip sandwich on Dec 20, 2009 1:13:14 GMT -5
Bananas are more nooby too, since they take less effort to peel
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Post by ssog on Dec 20, 2009 2:43:46 GMT -5
The next time someone says they like bananas more than oranges, I'm just gonna say they suck at eating oranges. Bananas better than oranges? Those n00bs probably DO just suck at eating oranges, although they should realize that clementines are statistically superior to oranges at all ranges of less than 7200 seconds from target mealtime, which includes the range that most snack-time engagements fall in. This is why 80+% of competitive snackers roll with Clementines.
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Post by mannon on Dec 20, 2009 4:45:37 GMT -5
LOL That's sig worthy ssog, you're awsome.
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Post by imrlybord7 on Dec 20, 2009 18:09:55 GMT -5
macmillan was right. But ssog still wins. And toys loses.
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Post by cptmacmillan on Dec 20, 2009 18:55:48 GMT -5
Okay. The ACR is useless and inferior to every other gun in the game! I can't hit anything with it, my bullets always go right next to their mark. Clearly the gun is bad, otherwise I'd be able to kill with it.
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Post by Lexapro on Dec 21, 2009 1:16:40 GMT -5
Clementines: official fruit of OPERATORs.
Contributing: While I agree with cptmacmillan that silenced sniping is perfectly useable (I do so with an Intervention, save me) I don't agree with the automatic you suck comments.
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Post by slashdolo on Dec 21, 2009 8:46:37 GMT -5
Okay. The ACR is useless and inferior to every other gun in the game! I can't hit anything with it, my bullets always go right next to their mark. Clearly the gun is bad, otherwise I'd be able to kill with it. Clearly you are too good to use the ACR. There we go.
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Post by mannon on Dec 21, 2009 9:27:03 GMT -5
Actually that would be the player with bad aim that doesn't correct the aim after the first shot. A weapon with more recoil would actually be better for them.
However, things aren't as simple as player A sucks and thus must use noob weapons instead of professional weapons.
Player A may not be good with the ACR for that reason and still tear you a new one with his SCAR or TAR. I don't think that means player A sucks just because he doesn't do as well with the more accurate weapon. There is more to life than accuracy... unless you're a sniper I guess... Actually even then, but I can see why a dedicated sniper might think that accuracy=skill without seeing the bigger picture.
I too don't snipe well in MW2, but that's because I've never adjusted to the CoD sniper weapons. However I'm not a run and gunner. I like long range fights, and luckily there are still several ARs and LMGs that perform well at range. I'm not at all ashamed of that. I'm as good at what I do as most snipers are at what they do.
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